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post #21 of 36
I guess viral or bacterial you could always treat those with breastmilk or drops after as well bugs are everywhere anyhow..so I can see treating an STD if that might be a transmission route...

I am not sure i am going to fight the eye drop issue...unless anyone has anything that its beyond unnecessary but dangerous?
post #22 of 36
I was always under the impression that the eye goop was for general bacteria in the vagina etc. as well as std's. I guess i will have to look into that some more. If it is just for std's then we don't need it. I was going with wait and see because with the issues baby is having right now with my placenta and being breech it looks like I have to prepare for a section. And i'm not doing the drops with a section, absolutely no reason for them then. Still hoping to get this baby to head down to head out so to speak though. hehe.
Shawna
post #23 of 36
We homebirth, so the only thing we do is the PKU which is required in NH. And I don't have a problem with it, they are testing, not putting anything into the babe.

And we give the baby a bath ourselves, I usually tub with the babe anyways, it is nice to soak and relax
post #24 of 36
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whats the best kind of soap?
water for newborns!


We didn't do vit k. healthy babies are born with what they need to survive. It wouldn't surprise me if researchers discovered in 5-10 years that vit k wasn't needed in newborns because of other factors. just my thoughts...

we did the pku test 4 days after birth, which was what our home birth mw suggested. hospitals do it following the birth, I assume. I personally don't see anything concerning about this blood test. (though i sent dh in with babe cause I didn't want to see her in pain)

Eye drops are a definite "no" for us.
post #25 of 36
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Vit K:
My MW said you should wait and see with this one. It depends on the kind of labour you have-if it's been long/traumatic, of the baby shows any signs of swelling/bruising-it's not a bad idea. I will wait and see with this one.
We went over our birth plan with the midwife, and had said we had wanted to refuse vitK (and the rest). She was fine with the rest, but she had said that she had seen brain bleeds happen with even the gentlest of births, so she had changed her own mind about whether vitK was really necessary. She believes so. We're currently reconsidering as she's been a midwife a long time as both a homebirth midwife and CNM--more experience than us, that's for sure.
post #26 of 36
we do not do the eye drops. I don't have stds.

no hep b

no vitamin k unless there is a traumatic birth. In that case I have ordered oral vitamin k that I have in my hospital bag. It is a much much lower dose then the shot. In some studies the shot has been linked to childhood leukemia as well as jaundice.

We are doing the pku test at our pediatricians office. It is not something that has to be done at the hospital.
post #27 of 36
we may or may not do oral vit K. we will do PKU at 1 or 2 weeks. i think the midwifery practice i am going to routinely does PKU at 2 weeks. everything else is a no-go.

concerning erythromycin eye drops: is it necessary and effective?; discussion on newborn eye ointment from gentlebirth.org

ETA: discussion on vit K on gentlebirth.org
post #28 of 36
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water for newborns!
i can decline soap?
post #29 of 36
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i can decline soap?
I wasn´t aware that it was manditory in hospitals. as i understand, washing newborns with soap is not needed.
post #30 of 36
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We went over our birth plan with the midwife, and had said we had wanted to refuse vitK (and the rest). She was fine with the rest, but she had said that she had seen brain bleeds happen with even the gentlest of births, so she had changed her own mind about whether vitK was really necessary. She believes so. We're currently reconsidering as she's been a midwife a long time as both a homebirth midwife and CNM--more experience than us, that's for sure.
it´s interesting the diffrent viewpoints experienced midwives have.
post #31 of 36
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it´s interesting the diffrent viewpoints experienced midwives have.
agree.

my mw told me I can opt out any of the newborn procedures after he's born
post #32 of 36
Great info mamas!

Another thing to consider re VitK is that if you have lots of it in your system, your babe is somewhat protected as well. My midwife has me take lots of alfalfa supplements in pregnancy (especially toward the end) to boost my vitamin K and the baby's. Just another approach.

Also, the longer you can wait on the PKU, the better... when the little ones are dehydrated, they often have to prick multiple times and squeeze to get enough drops of blood. After your milk has come in, it can be much easier.

Good luck!!
post #33 of 36
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Originally Posted by coyotemist View Post
Not your DDC, but have some knowledge...

PKU is legally required in many states. It picks up things that are relatively rare (galactosemia) to more common things (hypothyroid). It has saved many babies lives. And while its not a pleasant procedure, things like the hypothyroid are uncommon, unexpected, and really dangerous when undiagnosed (babies quickly permanently lose IQ points if they aren't supplemented with thyroid meds).

The only way to get out of this test in a state that legally requires the PKU screening would be to UC. In the required states the midwife has to do the procedure if you don't deliver at a hospital.
Not exactly true...you cannot be forced to do a PKU test....you just have to sign a waiver stating you are aware of the risks of not taking the test.
Alicia
post #34 of 36
My dd had a newborn hearing test too--maybe that's only California, though. I was at the hospital and refused a newborn bath, vit K, hep B, eye ointment. We did the PKU because I think it's important, and also because I am hypothyroid. I just had to sign a waiver for the vaccine, eye ointment, and vit K. Just don't let the baby out of your sight and you should be fine.
post #35 of 36
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Another thing to consider re VitK is that if you have lots of it in your system, your babe is somewhat protected as well. My midwife has me take lots of alfalfa supplements in pregnancy (especially toward the end) to boost my vitamin K and the baby's. Just another approach.
spinach has lots of it too, we eat a huge box of spinach every week on salads and I throw some in smoothies.
post #36 of 36
My midwife suggests nettle tincture and liquid chlorophyll the last couple of months to keep vitamin k levels up.
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