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post #41 of 102
My son uses an Apex at his dad's house (who lives out of state, so not a lot), and while it's okay, the nautilus is much better, with higher top slots (18.5" vs. 17") and a stronger frame. You need headrests in your car to use the Apex because it's headrest isn't reinforced. It's a pretty flimsy seat. There weren't as many options for past 40 lb. harnessing when we bought it (2.5-3 yrs. ago). The Nautilus is only $17 more and definitely worth it.
I saw a code on this board for the Nautilus at $117 a few days ago-- you could see if that still works!
post #42 of 102
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Any thoughts on this? Or a website where I can find out the crash specs on it?
http://www.albeebaby.com/sa1stap65boc1.html
It says the harness can be used up to 65 pounds if I'm not mistaken. I
It's okay. But your car MUST have headrests to use it.

The nautilus is MUCH nicer.

-Angela
post #43 of 102
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What I've read shows that after the age of 2 kids are just as safe in a booster with a car seat belt as in a 5 pt harness. I feel safer keeping my kids in the 5 pt harness much longer, but haven't actually seen that it is either helpful or hurtful so I go with my gut.
i really hope no one reading this believes its true. 5 pt. harness has been proven over and over to be safer. there is a reason race car drivers are in 5 pt. harnesses also.
post #44 of 102
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Any thoughts on this? Or a website where I can find out the crash specs on it?
http://www.albeebaby.com/sa1stap65boc1.html
It says the harness can be used up to 65 pounds if I'm not mistaken. I
The harness isn't very tall. Your 5 year old may already be too tall for it.
post #45 of 102
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i really hope no one reading this believes its true. 5 pt. harness has been proven over and over to be safer. there is a reason race car drivers are in 5 pt. harnesses also.
I believe those harnesses are part of the car, just as the pilot's harness in an airplane. Of course a 5 pt harness is better than a 3 pt (Such as a stoller or like you use in a car) but the issue is adding other items to the cars safety system.
post #46 of 102
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i really hope no one reading this believes its true. 5 pt. harness has been proven over and over to be safer. there is a reason race car drivers are in 5 pt. harnesses also.
She's referring to the Freakonomics guy Steven Levitt, mentioned in the other thread. And you are right, it is absolutely not true that a 2 year old is safe in a booster. The other thread ("Interesting car-safety idea for children over 2") discusses why in more detail.
post #47 of 102
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I believe those harnesses are part of the car, just as the pilot's harness in an airplane. Of course a 5 pt harness is better than a 3 pt (Such as a stoller or like you use in a car) but the issue is adding other items to the cars safety system.
There are downsides to having built in items also. Are you aware that seatbelts (and built in carseats...) are single use items? Technically they must be replaced after even a minor crash.

-Angela
post #48 of 102
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It's okay. But your car MUST have headrests to use it.
I have a honda Odyssey so every seat has a headrest. I will go measure the girls again on the height issue.
post #49 of 102
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I have a honda Odyssey so every seat has a headrest. I will go measure the girls again on the height issue.




-Angela
post #50 of 102
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I believe those harnesses are part of the car, just as the pilot's harness in an airplane. Of course a 5 pt harness is better than a 3 pt (Such as a stoller or like you use in a car) but the issue is adding other items to the cars safety system.
im sorry im confused about this statement. i understand pilots and race car drivers have the 5 pt. harnesses in their car seats but the physics is still the same re: the safety of a 5 point harness vs. just a seatbelt used in a booster.

not trying to be argumentative but im not seeing the relevance of built in vs. car seat 5 pt. harness. Of course, any built in wont have the SIP also which alot of carseats do.
post #51 of 102
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Does the Nautilus use teether straps? I don't see that in the description.
post #52 of 102
I believe it uses a top tether, and I believe that it's one that, when used in booster mode, can use LATCH to hold it in.
post #53 of 102
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Does the Nautilus use teether straps? I don't see that in the description.
If you mean LATCH, yes, all car seats are required to come equipped with LATCH straps. The Nautilus is also approved for use of LATCH while in booster mode (but not the top tether).
post #54 of 102
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If you mean LATCH, yes, all car seats are required to come equipped with LATCH straps. The Nautilus is also approved for use of LATCH while in booster mode (but not the top tether).
Yep that's what I meant.
post #55 of 102
"im sorry im confused about this statement. i understand pilots and race car drivers have the 5 pt. harnesses in their car seats but the physics is still the same re: the safety of a 5 point harness vs. just a seatbelt used in a booster."


The issue is points of failure, and the adding thereof. A child in a harness, sitting in a seat attched via the seatbelt, has two chances to go flying through the window - the car's belt can fail, or the harness can fail. I prefer to rely directly on the seatbelt and not use a harness on my 4 y.o.

OTOH (and I think this is the big lesson to take from that Kyle video), if you have your child harnessed in a seat that is LATCHed or belted and tethered, you are actually adding another line of defense if the LATCH or belt should fail (still won't help if the harness fails). The top tether might keep the seat from being ejected, which greatly increases your child's chances of surviving the crash. While there has not been any particularly good testing on the use of tether at higher weight limits, the Car Seat Lady has put together a chart of the available info. IMHO, continuing to use the tether after you've stopped using the lower anchors never hurts and might help.

I think that the conversations about 3-pt. vs. 5-pt. can only be usefully made in the context of integrated vs. non-integrated. Integrated 5-pts. would be the safest for everybody, all the time. But as alegna points out, seatbelts need to be replaced after crashes, there is a cost issue, there is not consumer pressure to integrate 5-pts. ---> I do not have the option of purchasing a vehicle that offers integrated 5- pt. harnesses for my kids. Once my son was of sufficient weight and height, it was a great relief to me to secure him directly with the integrated 3-pt. system my car came with. If he was the kind of kid who wiggled around and messed with his belt, he would still be in a non-integrated harness.
post #56 of 102
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"im sorry im confused about this statement. i understand pilots and race car drivers have the 5 pt. harnesses in their car seats but the physics is still the same re: the safety of a 5 point harness vs. just a seatbelt used in a booster."


The issue is points of failure, and the adding thereof. A child in a harness, sitting in a seat attched via the seatbelt, has two chances to go flying through the window - the car's belt can fail, or the harness can fail. I prefer to rely directly on the seatbelt and not use a harness on my 4 y.o.

OTOH (and I think this is the big lesson to take from that Kyle video), if you have your child harnessed in a seat that is LATCHed or belted and tethered, you are actually adding another line of defense if the LATCH or belt should fail (still won't help if the harness fails). The top tether might keep the seat from being ejected, which greatly increases your child's chances of surviving the crash. While there has not been any particularly good testing on the use of tether at higher weight limits, the Car Seat Lady has put together a chart of the available info. IMHO, continuing to use the tether after you've stopped using the lower anchors never hurts and might help.

I think that the conversations about 3-pt. vs. 5-pt. can only be usefully made in the context of integrated vs. non-integrated. Integrated 5-pts. would be the safest for everybody, all the time. But as alegna points out, seatbelts need to be replaced after crashes, there is a cost issue, there is not consumer pressure to integrate 5-pts. ---> I do not have the option of purchasing a vehicle that offers integrated 5- pt. harnesses for my kids. Once my son was of sufficient weight and height, it was a great relief to me to secure him directly with the integrated 3-pt. system my car came with. If he was the kind of kid who wiggled around and messed with his belt, he would still be in a non-integrated harness.
Are there any recorded instances of carseat harnesses failing in a non-expired seat?

-Angela
post #57 of 102
Here's a 5yr 10m old boy rfing. http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/RFAlbum/Quinn.aspx

I have to agree, at 5 and 6, that's barely booster age, let alone old in a booster. AJ is 5 and is in a Graco Nautilus. If I had to buy him a booster today, I'd get the Sunshine Kids Monterey. He knows he has to wear his harness till he's at least 6, then we'll talk again and see where he is in his seat etc. At this point though, I don't forsee him outgrowing his harness before 7 or 8. Evan is still rfing at 3.5yo so he'll barely be heavy to use a 30# booster at 6, let alone use one full time. The kids will be in high backed boosters as their full time seat till they outgrow the seat. A hbb is safer than a low backed booster and my kids will be in them for a long time. After that, if they still need a booster, they will be moved into a lbb.

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Are there any recorded instances of carseat harnesses failing in a non-expired seat?
No, at least not in a correctly used seat. Everything that was posted in that post is her logic alone and I must say the first time I've ever heard that argument for moving to a seatbelt instead of a harness. A correctly used harness will be safer no matter if it's built in or not.
post #58 of 102
Thread Starter 
She will be seven in two months so that makes her older in my book. By "older" kids I meant not toddlers. They are school aged children.
post #59 of 102
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She will be seven in two months so that makes her older in my book. By "older" kids I meant not toddlers. They are school aged children.
Toddlers are too young for boosters.

-Angela
post #60 of 102
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She will be seven in two months so that makes her older in my book. By "older" kids I meant not toddlers. They are school aged children.
Yes, but when you realize that most kids need boosters till about age 10, some upwards of 12, she's not old in booster talk.
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