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I've been lurking on all of the MDC boards for a while, and I have learned so much from this community! I am hoping some of you might have some suggestions or insights for my situation.

My DS is 3.5, and we also have a DD who is almost 1. DS has always been a very intense person, and since about age 2 we have had a lot of really tough periods with him. He is very smart and verbal, and can be amazingly perceptive, loving, and fun to be around. He has amazing focus for things and can be very empathetic (especially with his sister). The problem is that much of the time he is very very difficult to get along with.

He has always been a kid who says "No!" to anything and everything as his immediate response. On days where he is really in that mood, everything is a huge struggle, even doing things that he likes and wants to do! For example, he will ask to go to the park, and we will say 'sure!' but then he will absolutely refuse to do the things that need to be done to make that happen (put on shoes, sunscreen, get in the carseat).

We try to make a game out of it. We give him simple instructions, not long lists of things (we just say 'sit down in front of me, please' for the shoes, or whatever). We help him where he needs help. But it can be *such* fight. Sometimes he'll run away midway through. Other times he'll sit on his feet. When that happens, we get up and tell him that when he is ready to go to the park, he can let us know and we will put his shoes on. Then we get up and go read the newspaper or do something else. The problem is that this can go on *forever* and it is not fair to anyone when we can't go out to do things we all enjoy.

He can be a very anxious kid, so we suspect sometimes things like this have to do with his anxiety about going out (I have anxiety disorder, so I understand the apprehension about going new places, but this happens for very familiar places that we go every day). So we try to have a clear schedule (I write it out and draw pictures for him of what we will do every day, with his input so we are making decisions together about how we spend our time--to a point at least!). I don't call attention to his anxiety but if he is acting like this I try to figure out if there is something that is worrying him. But it can be so frustrating because sometimes it seems like he's just doing it to be ornery! I would understand if this happened sometimes (he's 3, after all, I expect a power struggle now and then!) or for things he didn't enjoy as much (running errands) but it is for things he enjoys!

The other major issue is that he can get very wound up and even aggressive. Sometimes it is out of the blue (although I suspect it has to do with times he is overwhelmed or anxious) and other times it is when we set and enforce a limit. We never say "if you do x again, then y" without following through with y when he does x. We have been utterly consistent since day 1 about that. The problem is that if he is getting worked up, and I say, "DS, if you throw another toy (in a busy library play room) we will need to leave (or step outside to calm down, or play with different toys, or whatever)," and he throws again, I cannot physically get him out. He throws a fit, and he is a *big* kid. At that point he will hit, kick, and even scratch. He is unable to calm himself down when he has a big fit.

Some things really set him off, like he's obsessed with pulling out huge handfuls of grass and cannot stop himself when he's started. We cannot get him to stop without picking him up and taking him off the grass, but then he turns on us with hitting/kicking. Little things like that can get him into a real tizzy that is hard to get out of. Putting on sunscreen (which is a non-negotiable for us) can devolve into a battle of kicking, hitting, etc. (even when we let him put it on himself, or put it on us, or make a game out of it).

We believe in respecting him as a person and try so hard to understand where he is coming from. We try to keep lots of creative ideas so that we can encourage him in the right direction without ordering him around (and inviting a power struggle). It feels like we've tried everything (time outs--he would be in and out of time out for 3 straight hours if we let him because there was no way to make him stay put; time ins--this could make things worse because of the physical contact; making sure consequences are natural, etc.). But some days are *so* exhausting as everything is such a struggle, and we (especially me, as I am home with them most of the time) are running out of energy!

We are (and always have been) very careful to make sure he gets enough sleep, eats high-protein, low-starch meals/snacks every 2 hours. He watches no tv. We try to keep things low-key and model calm behavior and problem solving skills (although I admit I have yelled when I've gotten frustrated, although I am not proud of it). He's not as bad at preschool but is very tentative there (not argumentative like at home).

We have had him into the pediatrician, and she agrees that there is something going on and has recommended a psychologist for us to take him to to help give us more tools to get through the day. We'll do that, but
I'd also love to know if this just seems like a typical 3 year old stuff, or if we need to be more concerned for his ability to get along in the world! Does anyone have any suggestions of things we should be doing that are different from our current strategies? Thanks so much!
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I don't have any suggestions for you unfortunately. You are doing everything I would do to help deal with this. I can say, though, that I have really been there with a difficult child. My DSD is BP/ADHD and has dealt with anxiety issues before we had her dx'ed and medicated correctly. I am not saying that is what is going on with your DS at all, but I can understand your frustration.

Have you read the book, The Explosive Child? I found it gave me a great deal of insight into how to cope with our situation.

Hang in there.
post #3 of 6
I do not have any advice but I wanted to say you sound like such wonderful parents. My DD1 is an intense and often anxious kid so I can understand the need for schedule and consistency. I hope you get some great advice here.
post #4 of 6
I would read:
Sensational Kids
The Out of Sync Child
and
The Explosive Child

The first two books are about Sensory Processing Disorder. Honestly, reading your posts, my first thought wasn't "ooh, classic sensory issues", but there were enough niggling things that made me think, hmm.. I wonder -- for example, putting shoes on being a struggle, putting sunscreen on, grabbing the grass, the hitting, and the difficulty in self-regulation ARE sometimes indications of SPD. Or, they just could be signs of an intense 3 year old.

Our ds has SPD, and was very anxious at that age. "Luckily" he was more the kind of kid to freeze when he was anxious rather than to lash out, but I think the lashing out is just as common.

I would definitely follow through with a child psychology, esp. about the anxiety. And if the other books sound like your son, I'd seek out an Occupational Therapist with experience in sensory issues. (The good news is that OT is fun!)

Oh, and I'd add "Kids, Parents & Power Struggles" to my reading. I've found it a nice helpful general parenting book, especially for kids who tend to be a bit more strong willed.
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Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies, and the suggestions on good reading material. We're just getting into doing some research on new ways to work with our son--we always thought being loving and consistent would be enough! They go a long way, but I do think we need specific tools to help him get through some of these things. (And no, holding him in time out and shouting are not good tools...even though I admit those have happened on our less good days. )

It is good to know that he's not the only intense kid out there! I read the first page of The Explosive Child on Amazon and that is so him (having a fit about waffles!). I really do think that if we can come up with a way to function as a family, and give him tools to regulate his moods/behavior/anxieties, that he'll be a really amazing person as he grows up, because he is so intense. We just have to channel his powers into good things! It can just be so hard, especially in public or around friends, who are totally shocked because *most* of the time when he is around other people he is so charming!

I had wondered about sensory issues, and I think he does have some, although he is not textbook for any one thing. It's probably more a matter of stringing together a lot of things from a lot of different sources so that we can find what works from him (and not drive each other crazy in the process!). It doesn't help that I'm strong willed and stubborn, too!

I really appreciate the suggestions and support!
post #6 of 6
Actually, he sounds a fair bit like my DD in many ways, but without the bits like the grass pulling. On the other hand, she needs a nice long walk in a stroller to be able to fall asleep.

I believe that DD is basically a highly sensitive kid, in a tough bit of her life. I try and remind myself of that when I want to scream. On the whole we do what it sounds like you do, and grit our teeth at how long everything takes. Oh, and hope that it's the right approach, and we won't still be doing it when she's 10.

I will add that when I don't CARE how long it takes, really don't care, it usually goes faster.
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