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post #41 of 305


Wow. What a HORRIBLE thing to be dealing with. I just simply cannot imagine what you must be going through.

Mama, do what you need to do. Get that lawyer, call whomever you need to. Call natural child birth advocates, midwives, CBEs, LLL leaders, whomever you need to call, and let them know what has happened. Go challenge this whole thing, have a list of people you have contacted previously to call in as needed.

You NEED to get your baby back from them. I cannot believe they are doing this.



You and your baby girl are in my thoughts.
post #42 of 305
FYI, for anyone else who, heaven forfend, ends up in this situation, don't get in the ambulance. Remind the paramedics that they aren't allowed to take you if you refuse and suggest they fine the neighbors for misusing 911.
post #43 of 305
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Originally Posted by Onemagicmummy View Post
thats awfull. are they gonna keep all teh babies born in the back of a car, or a realy too fast to get to hospital deliver in for 5 days. think not.

i hope you get your baby back soon.

Kiz


It's a total punishment thing. Come on. Sterile? When I think back on my 3 hospital births, they weren't "sterile". We were a mess. I wasn't forced to get cleaned up until I was ready to walk to the shower. My baby wasn't bathed. My nipples weren't swabbed with iodine before nursing. I mean really, my hospital births were as sloppy and juicy, and non-sterile as any homebirth. Geez. Clean her stomach??? OMG, what nonsense. It's just absolute punishment. They don't want you to do it again. :
post #44 of 305
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FYI, for anyone else who, heaven forfend, ends up in this situation, don't get in the ambulance. Remind the paramedics that they aren't allowed to take you if you refuse and suggest they fine the neighbors for misusing 911.
Yes, that. For future reference only, send them packing! A mama in my area successfully did this, she's my birth hero!
post #45 of 305
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How awful for you and your sweet babe Are you able to nurse your little one during her forced confinement in the NICU? Any possibility of leaving AMA?

At least in my state you can't leave AMA from a NICU. I tried and nearly got arrested. A nursery, yes, but not a NICU. Sadly, you should have declined to go to the hospital. That was your right to do. Now that you are in the middle of this it is hard to get out. If you have a friendly pediatrician already on board then you may be able to use them to get baby out. OR, try to negotiate baby into peds unit instead of NICU where you can stay with baby in the room and be able to nurse, etc.

I did this when my daughter was being held in the NICU long after I could have handled her needs at home, PM me if you want more details.

This scenario is exactly why I don't like UC even though I support the right of women to do it. I know of too many local cases where instituational aggression has been brought to bear on families who chose UC and its the babies who suffer. I will suggest that you are in the NICU every minute except shift change making a pest of yourself. They got sick of me at my NICU and that helped me get my way and get out.
post #46 of 305
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Congrats on your UC!
I would've told the paramedics to get the hell out of my house but that's just me.
Ehh, I would have politely told them their services were not needed, that we did not call, and closed the door. THEY were just doing their job and had no idea what they were getting into...they get a call, they respond. Frankly, I'd do what I could to figure out WHICH neighbor did this and give them a talking to.

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FYI, for anyone else who, heaven forfend, ends up in this situation, don't get in the ambulance. Remind the paramedics that they aren't allowed to take you if you refuse and suggest they fine the neighbors for misusing 911.
EXACTLY. OP, I'm so sorry. I really really am truely sorry that your lovely experience was ruined. Others have had good advice for you already, so all I can add is
post #47 of 305
Hey all, Eq's husband here. Our daughter has had a few medical issues since going into the hospital, and they have all been due to the hospital's meddling. Unfortunately, you are not allowed to AMA here in PR. Once you sign that admission paper, the child becomes a ward of the state and you lose all parental rights. And if you don't sign that admission paper, they will take your child from you. We asked the procurator and medical director at the hospital today. We actually had done the lesser of two evils by going along with their little plan. Had we refused the ambulance, social services would have raided our house the next day and taken our child by force, and we'd have not seen her again for a very long time. The government is VERY intrusive down here...yes, Big Brother is watching.

Retribution will come swift and hard. We WILL fight to the bitter end for our daughter, and those have no idea what's coming to them.
post #48 of 305
Ugh!!! I am so sorry Nodtveidt. This is awful. Do you guys have money to retain a lawyer? You really need someone advocating for you guys right now.
post #49 of 305
I wish I was a lawyer in PR right about now...I am SO sorry for you all and wish you the best in all you have to come.
I hope that soon your daughter is back in your arms and you are all able to snuggle and love being a family again.
post #50 of 305
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Unfortunately, you are not allowed to AMA here in PR. Once you sign that admission paper, the child becomes a ward of the state and you lose all parental rights. And if you don't sign that admission paper, they will take your child from you. We asked the procurator and medical director at the hospital today.
Oh my goodnes, this is horrible (as is the rest of your post about them taking your baby away if you refused the ambulance). I am so so sorry you are going through all of this. You have no say at all in any medical decisions for her? That is just insane.
post #51 of 305
please, please sue. sue and sue some more.
this is unconscionable and disgusting and i am so, so sad and angry for you guys.

please, hire an attorney ASAP. i would also contact LLL and the local media.

and boy, oh boy, if i ever found out which of my neighbors was responsible for this - omg.

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post #52 of 305
I am so sorry this happened to you. I'm just speechless.

I'll be thinking of you and your sweet babe.
post #53 of 305
Fyrestorm went through something like this (but with a hospital birth) and was able to get a judge to grant a custody order, giving custody of the baby to the parents (bang head against wall here). You could try that approach, if the judge agrees the IV in not medically necessary.

read about it here:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=668204

(warning ... a little traumatic and or distressing to read about)
post #54 of 305


Ditto all the others.
Get a lawyer now and sue 'till they can't see straight.

I hope your little girl is back in your arms soon!
post #55 of 305
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Once you sign that admission paper, the child becomes a ward of the state and you lose all parental rights. And if you don't sign that admission paper, they will take your child from you. We asked the procurator and medical director at the hospital today. We actually had done the lesser of two evils by going along with their little plan. Had we refused the ambulance, social services would have raided our house the next day and taken our child by force, and we'd have not seen her again for a very long time.
What?!?! I don't get it!! That's insane!!!!! Is homebirth illegal in Puerto Rico?!
post #56 of 305
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Update #1

I called the procurator today. I explained the whole situation today and I swear I could hear her shaking her head over the phone. She was totally appalled. She told me to go to the medical director, and to get some answers from him. So I went to talk to him, and asked when my daughter would be released. He called the ped in. I had seen the ped around, but I didn't know he was a ped, much less the ped in charge of my baby. Today was the first time he presented himself to me. So he tells me that the baby isn't ok because she has pustulosis (pic), possibly caused by staphylococcus, on her rear end, and that she developed this on Tuesday. Which is interesting, because I changed her diaper yesterday, and didn't see anything unusual. The nurses also have changed her in front of me, and I didn't see anything then either, nor did they point it out to me. I mean, this is something I would have noticed right away, right?

So I ask him if this could have been treated outside by a ped. He said no, not in newborns, they had to be hospitalized. He said they had done cultures, and if they arrived negative tomorrow, then they would release her at 3pm. I told the procurator and she's pretty positive they will release her tomorrow, since I was able to get a definite straight answer out of them. She said after I got my daughter back, if I still wanted to file a complaint, to go ahead, because she strongly believes that I was wronged. You're damn right I'm gonna file a complaint!

So as an aside, I ask the ped why in other countries that do homebirths (Europe, England etc), they don't have that problem of "unsterile births". He says it's because they have midwives trained to make the birth process "sterile". If someone understand how that works, please let me know.

feminine_earth: homebirth is totally legal, however, we can't be taking money out of the hospital's coffers now can we? How else will the president go to his vacation in Tahiti this year?

Boy do I have a lot of documenting to do
post #57 of 305
I'm so sorry for you guys. I hope you fight this thing til the bitter end. What they did to your daughter, in my opinion, is abuse.

post #58 of 305
I am so sorry this is happening to you and your Dd!

Wishing you strength to deal with everything, health to your Dd, and hoping you somehow mannage to get the situation resolved quickly and get your precious Babe home where she belongs!
post #59 of 305
The pustulosis part sounds like another bs excuse to keep her there, but at any rate, it's most definitely a hospital-acquired infection, an iatrogenic complication, and will only add fuel to the fire that will become your lawsuit.

ohhhhhh mama i am just so sorry this is happening to you. and more
post #60 of 305
I couldn't read and not send you hugs. I hope you get her back soon I cannot imagine how you all feel. I am so sorry this happened to you.
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