Proof the pharmaceutical industry is more powerful than the peanut butter industry

[janellesmommy]

Peanut butter sandwich eating by hungry pregnant women is a major cause of asthma
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25687224/

I do believe the study's results could be correct. But has there been an epidemic of peanut butter sandwich eating? Perhaps it could be all the vaccines which contain peanut oil mixed with powerful adjuvants such as as aluminum designed to stimulate an immune response.

[Picturesque]

Originally Posted by janellesmommy

Peanut butter sandwich eating by hungry pregnant women is a major cause of asthma
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25687224/

I do believe the study's results could be correct. But has there been an epidemic of peanut butter sandwich eating? Perhaps it could be all the vaccines which contain peanut oil mixed with powerful adjuvants such as as aluminum designed to stimulate an immune response.

Do you have a link about this? I tried to google this connection recently and didn't have any success finding anything.

[KLM99]

Well I'm screwed then because I ate at least one peanut butter sandwich every single day of my pregnancy

[wunderbubble]

Originally Posted by janellesmommy

Peanut butter sandwich eating by hungry pregnant women is a major cause of asthma
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25687224/

I do believe the study's results could be correct. But has there been an epidemic of peanut butter sandwich eating? Perhaps it could be all the vaccines which contain peanut oil mixed with powerful adjuvants such as as aluminum designed to stimulate an immune response.

LOL::::::

[4Blessings]

Originally Posted by wunderbubble

LOL::::::

I'm not sure what is so laughable about peanut allergies and asthma.

I wish that science would find a way to cure both or at least reduce the number of families that have to deal with these life threatening conditions. If telling women not to eat peanuts daily will help, why not?

[mama1803]

Originally Posted by Proud2BeAnAmerican

I'm not sure what is so laughable about peanut allergies and asthma.

I wish that science would find a way to cure both or at least reduce the number of families that have to deal with these life threatening conditions. If telling women not to eat peanuts daily will help, why not?

My sentiments exactly!! As the mother of a child with an anaphalytic allergy to peanuts, I fail to find the humor in this. It has long been suspected that there is a link between nut allergies and asthma (kids with peanut allergies particularly have a higher incidence of asthma than kids with other food allergies). Allergists have also been suggesting for quite some time that women can reduce their babies' chances of food allergies by limiting or abstaining from eating the most common allergens during pregnancy and while breastfeeding.

If you will visit the allergies forum, you'll discover that food allergies, particularly peanut allergy is no laughing matter.

[LavenderMae]

It's says they only found a correlation between peanuts but why did they still list nuts over and over again.

I ate a lot of peanut butter with all three of my pregnancies, so far none of my children have asthma or a peanut allergy (although my youngest has not had peanuts yet). I know that proves nothing but thought I'd give my experience.
I just don't see a 50% increase from eating peanuts alone. I just don't believe it. It would be simple though if it were true, just refrain from eating peanuts/peanut butter everyday while pregnant. I'm still not getting why nuts were listed too.

[mama1803]

Maybe an issue of cross-contamination?

Originally Posted by LavenderMae

It's says they only found a correlation between peanuts but why did they still list nuts over and over again.

I ate a lot of peanut butter with all three of my pregnancies, so far none of my children have asthma or a peanut allergy (although my youngest has not had peanuts yet). I know that proves nothing but thought I'd give my experience.
I just don't see a 50% increase from eating peanuts alone. I just don't believe it. It would be simple though if it were true, just refrain from eating peanuts/peanut butter everyday while pregnant. I'm still not getting why nuts were listed too.

Tree nuts are often processesd on equipment that also processes peanuts--perhaps the recommendation is based on the the likelihood of cross contamination between the tree nuts and the peanuts.

[NYCVeg]

Originally Posted by mama1803

Tree nuts are often processesd on equipment that also processes peanuts--perhaps the recommendation is based on the the likelihood of cross contamination between the tree nuts and the peanuts.

Yes, I do not know any child with peanut allergy who can eat other nuts, unless they personally know the grower/source and can ensure no cross-contamination. Dd is allergic to both, though, so it's not an issue for us. Honestly, I wish the recommendations had been stronger when I was pregnant with dd. If giving up nuts during pregnancy might have improved my odds even slightly of not having a peanut and nut-allergic child, you can bet I would have done it. Dh has asthma and we're just holding out breath (no pun intended), hoping dd doesn't develop it as well. Dd is unvaxed, so she certainly didn't receive peanut oil through vaccines (although I also have never heard of this as an ingredient, and would love to see a source).

[tanyalynn]

I'm not sure what is so laughable about peanut allergies and asthma.

I wish that science would find a way to cure both or at least reduce the number of families that have to deal with these life threatening conditions. If telling women not to eat peanuts daily will help, why not?

My sentiments exactly!! As the mother of a child with an anaphalytic allergy to peanuts, I fail to find the humor in this. It has long been suspected that there is a link between nut allergies and asthma (kids with peanut allergies particularly have a higher incidence of asthma than kids with other food allergies). Allergists have also been suggesting for quite some time that women can reduce their babies' chances of food allergies by limiting or abstaining from eating the most common allergens during pregnancy and while breastfeeding.

If you will visit the allergies forum, you'll discover that food allergies, particularly peanut allergy is no laughing matter.

I don't think the previous posters are dismissing the seriousness of anaphalactic allergies--quite the opposite, I think. Doing a study to see if modifying mom's diet would affect a child's allergies totally overlooks all the major factors that have changed in recent decades that have the potential to cause such harm to our kids' immune systems. I think we all agree that serious, life-threatening allergies are far higher than 30 or 50 years ago, but suggesting that maternal diet has changed that radically is, well, not very plausible.

Vaccinations are an obvious thing to question (except if you're underwriting a study, apparently), but other staples of modern medicine like rampant antibiotic use (maternal and child) and the whole topic of nutrition and the quality of our food supply also seem worth investigating. Maternal diet may play a role, but that seems likely to play a minor part in a much bigger phenomenon.

I think the researchers are pretty cavalier about the family and individual suffering that occurs when a child has anaphalactic allergies by implying maternal diet is the first thing to look at, rather than factors that are far more fundamental to the maturation of our kids' immune systems.

[Ophelia]

Originally Posted by janellesmommy

Perhaps it could be all the vaccines which contain peanut oil mixed with powerful adjuvants such as as aluminum designed to stimulate an immune response.

Do you have a link for this? I'm very curious about peanut oil being a vaccine ingredient! Even if it is, do the manufacturers have to list it on the label or would it be considered an inert (?) or inactive ingredient, therefore not listed?

It has long been suspected that there is a link between nut allergies and asthma (kids with peanut allergies particularly have a higher incidence of asthma than kids with other food allergies).

I didn't know this. I have nut allergies and asthma and seasonal/food allergies lucky me!

I think we all agree that serious, life-threatening allergies are far higher than 30 or 50 years ago, but suggesting that maternal diet has changed that radically is, well, not very plausible.

Yes, I agree. There must be some reason for such a rise in allergies and nut allergy in particular. I believe it's something having to do with environment (vaccines, air and water pollution, preservatives and other crap in our food, chemical and pesticides, etc, or a combination of these).

[NYCVeg]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I don't think the previous posters are dismissing the seriousness of anaphalactic allergies--quite the opposite, I think. Doing a study to see if modifying mom's diet would affect a child's allergies totally overlooks all the major factors that have changed in recent decades that have the potential to cause such harm to our kids' immune systems. I think we all agree that serious, life-threatening allergies are far higher than 30 or 50 years ago, but suggesting that maternal diet has changed that radically is, well, not very plausible..

But the way scientific studies are designed, you can only test for one variable at a time. That doesn't mean that researchers are "overlooking all the other major factors"--it means that they're seeing if changing this one factor can improve outcomes. I don't think the point is that the maternal diet has changed so radically in 50 years (although I would argue that the change has been radical, in terms of number of foods readily available, drastically increased consumption of processed foods, drastic reduction in number of locally-produced items consumed, etc.), but rather to see if changing maternal diet can statistically decrease the odds of a child developing asthma in the current environment. And if it can, then I'm all for it. It doesn't solve the larger problems, of course, but I'm for any steps that can help prevent food-allergies and asthma in children.

[mamadelbosque]

I just don't think what you eat/don't eat during pregnancy/bfing is going to change your kids likelihood THAT much. There is still very little to no research which suggests that even with-holding certain 'allergenic' foods from children untill they're 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 keeps them from developing allergies... In the years since we've started these 'recommendations' we've only seen allergies RISE, not decrease.

So maybe we should in fact be doing the opposite - exposing children to all sorts of things when they're young in small quantities so that their bodies can recognize them as good things not bad. When my DS had a strawberrry for the first time around 8-9 months he ate a tiny bit. If I'd waited till he was 2 or 3 or 4 he'd probably have ate a TON more, thus increasing the amount of an allergin in his lil body for his body to freak out about.

I don't know. Those are just my thoughts on the subject. I'm not a fan of all the antibiotic crap and all the dirt-free, germ-free, allergen-free living going on in the US these days. I just don't see it helping our overall health.

[LavenderMae]

Originally Posted by mama1803

Tree nuts are often processesd on equipment that also processes peanuts--perhaps the recommendation is based on the the likelihood of cross contamination between the tree nuts and the peanuts.

Originally Posted by NYCVeg

Yes, I do not know any child with peanut allergy who can eat other nuts, unless they personally know the grower/source and can ensure no cross-contamination.

They really needed to at least mention these facts in the article instead of just repeating 'nuts' with no explanation why they are also considered 'bad'. And if according to this study's findings does that mean pregnant women should also refrain from nuts as well as peanuts.

I also don't think pregnant women/bf'ing women refraining from eating peanuts and or nuts will make much difference. I think there's something else causing the rise in peanut allergies and asthma. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything else but if it actually worked I'd be all for it too.

[CanidFL]

Originally Posted by mamadelbosque

I just don't think what you eat/don't eat during pregnancy/bfing is going to change your kids likelihood THAT much. There is still very little to no research which suggests that even with-holding certain 'allergenic' foods from children untill they're 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 keeps them from developing allergies... In the years since we've started these 'recommendations' we've only seen allergies RISE, not decrease.

So maybe we should in fact be doing the opposite - exposing children to all sorts of things when they're young in small quantities so that their bodies can recognize them as good things not bad. When my DS had a strawberrry for the first time around 8-9 months he ate a tiny bit. If I'd waited till he was 2 or 3 or 4 he'd probably have ate a TON more, thus increasing the amount of an allergin in his lil body for his body to freak out about.

I don't know. Those are just my thoughts on the subject. I'm not a fan of all the antibiotic crap and all the dirt-free, germ-free, allergen-free living going on in the US these days. I just don't see it helping our overall health.

I agree 150% with this. Telling women to cut out nuts during pregnancy/breastfeeding is laughable to me. This does not mean I find allergies laughable like PP stated. We are getting way too restrictive during pregnancy IMO.

I would love to see a link on peanut oil being in vaccines!

[NYCVeg]

Originally Posted by LavenderMae

I also don't think pregnant women/bf'ing women refraining from eating peanuts and or nuts will make much difference. I think there's something else causing the rise in peanut allergies and asthma. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything else but if it actually worked I'd be all for it too.

Well, the studied showed that pregnant women who consumed peanuts daily had a 50% higher risk of having a child with asthma. It doesn't suggest complete avoidance, but does suggest moderating intake. I would, of course, like to go back to the study to read the actual results--but a 50% increase is extremely high. So why is this "wishful thinking"?

I agree that we know very little about allergies (and I speak as the parent of a severely food allergic child), but given that the most common allergens in the US are the foods that are among the most common in the American diet, I think it is reasonable to suggest that very high consumption of any one food may be a contributing factor. So if this study (and, ideally, others) suggests that moderating intake can make a big difference...I'm not sure why people are all up in arms. That's not the same thing as saying eating peanut butter while pregnant is THE cause of asthma.

[Gitti]

When did peanut allergies begin? When peanuts were gene-manipulated to not be affected by the fungus that grows on them?

[gcgirl]

Originally Posted by Gitti

When did peanut allergies begin? When peanuts were gene-manipulated to not be affected by the fungus that grows on them?

Yes, I'm especially interested in questions like this. A researcher interviewed on NPR recently talked about how peanut allergies are rare in much of the rest of the world, where peanuts are BOILED and not HIGH HEAT ROASTED. I'm curious about how processing foods may make them more/less allergenic. This is the kind of thing I'd like to do for a second career: research the link between food processing and human ailments.

ETA: If there IS a link between what we eat while pregnant and our LO's propensity for developing food allergies, I bet it often comes back to food processing. I'd like to see a study of pregnant women eating boiled peanuts vs. pregnant women eating roasted peanuts.

[nwmamas]

Perhaps a bit off topic, but my DP is allergic to nuts and she eats boiled peanuts with no problems and has since childhood.

[Picturesque]

MMMmmm! : I love boiled peanuts! Maybe I'll take this info to heart during my next pregnancy as an excuse to eat copious amounts of them...