Proof the pharmaceutical industry is more powerful than the peanut butter industry - Page 2

[leerypolyp]

Yes, I don't think people are laughing at allergy/asthma problems -- but this looks like perhaps not the most useful piece of research -- dunno if the problem is in the study or in the utterly dumbassed reporting (which continually conflates nuts and peanuts, where it looks like the study did not).

Except for women with family history of allergy, I would hesitate to change the recommendations based on one study alone. From the article: "'We were the first to find these strong effects on asthma symptoms,' said Saskia Willers, an epidemiologist at Utrecht University." So that tells me that I would like to see some more studies done. It's certainly interesting, but it needs to be duplicated.

I also would be interested in comparing processing methods w/r/t allergy -- I've often wondered about why the incidence of peanut allergy seems to be rising.

[AnnaLaughs]

I would also love to see a link that shows peanut oil in vaccines. I talked to a doctor once who wouldn't see DD about her food allergy induced eczema unless she was fully vaxed. I thought it was the most stupid thing I had ever heard. I don't know what she is allergic to so let me inject her with a bunch of crap so we can proceed with care. Crazy!! It turns out that she is allergic to soy and peanuts!
So if someone can post a link I'd appreciate it.

[NYCVeg]

I did a search and it appears while there have been clinical studies of peanut oil used as an adjuvant, and while there may be peanut oil in some animal vaccines, there is no peanut oil in vaccines administered to humans. I've read all of the vaccine ingredient lists in the past, with an eye for allergens, and my reading of the ingredient lists confirms this. Dd's allergist (who does not know she is unvaxed) mentioned the MMR and flu vax due to dd's egg allergies, but never mentioned any vaxes that cause problems wrt her peanut allergy. Indeed, most of the peanut-allergic kids I know IRL--including those with life-threatening anaphylactic peanut allergies--are fully vaxed. It would be well-known in the allergy community if vaccines contained peanut oil.

[DesireeH]

When did peanut allergies begin? When peanuts were gene-manipulated to not be affected by the fungus that grows on them?

I'd be curious about that too.

I'd assume it has something to do more with WHEN peanut allergies started becoming more and more prevalent and less about whether the mother ate nuts when she was pregnant.

I ate peanuts (and all kinds of nuts) when I was pg both times and neither of my kids have a peanut allergy. Not that that means much.

[shepdawgz]

Of my 4 kiddos, my 3rd child is severly allergic to peanuts, and other nuts as well. He has had anaphylatic reactions, so I know how serious these allergies are. It does make me mad when I see things about how the mom made the child allergic b/c of what she ate during pregnancy. I didn't eat any more PB during my 3rd pregnancy than with my first two. So why him? (Of course, I ate none with my 4th just b/c I don't keep it in the house anymore.) Can you imagine if pregnant women had to avoid the top 8 allergens in hopes of preventing allergies in their baby? I don't think that would be very healthy.

I also would really like to know about the processing/gene manipulation. Women have been eating PB much longer than peanut allergies have been so prevalent. To me, it's just laziness on the part of researchers to blame the mom. Now, that said, I'm sure that my diet may have done something else to make his immune system more reactive. That's much more complicated than, "Don't eat PB if you are pregnant!"

BTW, on the allergy board I visit, I read of teens or adults suddenly becoming allergic to peanuts. Can they blame their moms, too? LOL

[amnesiac]

Let's stay on topic with regard to vaccines here. If you wish to further explore the role of maternal diet in allergy development please start a new thread in the appropriate forum. Thanks!

Here's an old peanut oil thread that might be of some interest:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=297360

[Tinker]

Haven't you heard? They have a vax for peanut allergies in the works. It was in last months Parents. It says right in the article that scientist suspect that because of the miracle of vaccines the immune system doesn't have enough to do. So it over reacts to things like peanuts. So of course the answer to that is more vaccines.

[Plummeting]

I don't think many vaccines contain peanut oil, do they? It's irrelevant, though. Adjuvants don't need to be adsorbed to the antigen to cause a reaction, so why would they need to be in any way related to anything else in the body to cause a reaction to it? Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by mama1803

Allergists have also been suggesting for quite some time that women can reduce their babies' chances of food allergies by limiting or abstaining from eating the most common allergens during pregnancy and while breastfeeding.

And new research shows they're likely to be wrong about that. People who don't follow all those rules about waiting until X number of months to try this or that food have kids with fewer food allergies, according to at least one study. It makes perfect sense. Kids who are born into households with dogs and cats rarely have dog or cat allergies. Early exposure PREVENTS some alleriges, it doesn't CAUSE them. I'm inclined to believe the allergists are wrong, based on the latest research, so I really don't care what they suggest.

If you will visit the allergies forum, you'll discover that food allergies, particularly peanut allergy is no laughing matter.

No one is laughing at food allergies. The laughter was at the extremely funny question from the first post...

But has there been an epidemic of peanut butter sandwich eating?

Why even pretend or suggest that people are laughing at food allergies, when that is CLEARLY not the case? You don't have to think the question is funny, but that doesn't mean you have any right to insist that no one else find it amusing.

Says Plummeting, the mother of a child with food allergies, who happens to find that question pretty effin funny and who considers herself just as qualified as you to decide what is and what is not funny.

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by leerypolyp

I also would be interested in comparing processing methods w/r/t allergy -- I've often wondered about why the incidence of peanut allergy seems to be rising.

The incidence of all types of allergies is on the rise. Peanuts are one of the worst, so they get more attention, but all food allergies are becoming more common.

It has to be an environmental thing and I'd say vaccines are definitely part of the big picture.

[4Blessings]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

I don't think many vaccines contain peanut oil, do they? It's irrelevant, though. Adjuvants don't need to be adsorbed to the antigen to cause a reaction, so why would they need to be in any way related to anything else in the body to cause a reaction to it? Makes no sense.



And new research shows they're likely to be wrong about that. People who don't follow all those rules about waiting until X number of months to try this or that food have kids with fewer food allergies, according to at least one study. It makes perfect sense. Kids who are born into households with dogs and cats rarely have dog or cat allergies. Early exposure PREVENTS some alleriges, it doesn't CAUSE them. I'm inclined to believe the allergists are wrong, based on the latest research, so I really don't care what they suggest.



No one is laughing at food allergies. The laughter was at the extremely funny question from the first post...



Why even pretend or suggest that people are laughing at food allergies, when that is CLEARLY not the case? You don't have to think the question is funny, but that doesn't mean you have any right to insist that no one else find it amusing.

Says Plummeting, the mother of a child with food allergies, who happens to find that question pretty effin funny and who considers herself just as qualified as you to decide what is and what is not funny.

There was no need to "pretent or suggest" when the letters "LOL" and :
are used after a post about food allergies.


I do care what my allergist suggests. He is a partner in keeping my child healthy and avoiding a life threatening reaction. I also encourage continued research to discover a cure and a cause. Vaccines, early exposure, no exposure, etc.


I'm glad that you are in a place with your child's food allergies that you can find humor in the situation. Some of us find no humor in dealing with life threatening food allergies. Everyday.

May everyone find the peace and safety you've found.

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by Proud2BeAnAmerican

There was no need to "pretent or suggest" when the letters "LOL" and :
are used after a post about food allergies.

I disagree with and heartily reject your suggestion that wunderbubble considers allergies a "laughing matter". It seems quite clear that the laughter was directed toward the question of whether or not there had been an "epidemic of peanut butter sandwich eating". It's a funny thing to say and a funny thing to read. I'm sorry that you don't find it so. I'm also sorry you seem to be hellbent on considering the poster who laughed at the idea of a peanut butter sandwich eating epidemic (how on earth can that not be considered funny? lol) to be inconsiderate or unsympathetic to the plight of peanut allergy sufferers.

I hope they find a cure or prevention for allergies as well. Perhaps telling women to moderate their peanut intake will help, but they need to be looking for the root cause, not coming up with dietary recommendations and then stopping there. That is what is so ridiculous about the peanut intake study. Especially when they've been wrong so many times about this stuff in the past. It's perfectly reasonable to consider the possibility that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines increase the risk of allergies of all sorts. If they refuse to explore that possibility, then their dietary recommendations are never going to solve the problem, only moderate it.

There has likely been no peanut butter sandwich eating epidemic, but there has been an environmental toxin epidemic and a vaccine epidemic. Therefore, which is most likely to be responsible for the increase in peanut allergies: rampant peanut eating, one of the other two or a combination of the other two? Logically, the peanut eating probably isn't the problem. It's a good recommendation to make while they look for the real cause, but it needs to be an interim recommendation.

[CookAMH]

This is an interesting topic. I found out that I am pregnant three days ago, and heard previously about this article. I have sworn off peanut butter, my second love, for the sake of my baby. I have asthma which I have mostly "outgrown", and my mom has some nut sensitivities. I have no food allergies or intolerances.

But, I see a lot of common sense in some of the comments about allergies and this one study saying to limit nuts. I felt compelled previously to cut out all PB but am reconsidering it. Now, I love it enough to eat it every day, so maybe I'll be careful of that. I also only buy organic PB, though I am unsure of the processing even of that PB (boiling vs roasting). Wonder if I could call Trader Joe's and ask them? (I buy their brand)

That is VERY interesting about the mom who said her allergic son can eat boiled peanuts!