Too Posh to push

[jldumm]

ok so i don't know where this goes but does anyone know why Angelina Jolie keeps havign c/s?

Is it to maintain her figure? this doesn't seem to mesh with her other views about children.

[subrosa]

Well, she could have been given a load of crap about the dangers of VBAC, especially with twins. I've heard somewhere that her first c/s was due to breech presentation, but who knows if that's true. And I have to say that c/s has done nothing good for my body or the body of any other c/s mom I know--quite the contrary, actually!

[Pandme]

Originally Posted by subrosa

Well, she could have been given a load of crap about the dangers of VBAC, especially with twins. I've heard somewhere that her first c/s was due to breech presentation, but who knows if that's true. And I have to say that c/s has done nothing good for my body or the body of any other c/s mom I know--quite the contrary, actually!

I also read she was planning to do a natural childbirth with her first, but it was a breech, so they didn't.

[poetesss]

Well, with the first breech and the second a twins VBAC, it's kind of understandable. Even though I personally would do a vaginal breech and twins for myself, it's fairly common for c-section to be recommended in these cases, even amongst many midwives (many of whom are barred legally from delivering breeches and mulitples). And good luck finding an obstetrician who will even deliver a breech or twins vaginally.

[Earthy Elf]

Originally Posted by poetesss

Well, with the first breech and the second a twins VBAC, it's kind of understandable. Even though I personally would do a vaginal breech and twins for myself, it's fairly common for c-section to be recommended in these cases, even amongst many midwives (many of whom are barred legally from delivering breeches and mulitples). And good luck finding an obstetrician who will even deliver a breech or twins vaginally.

I feel really bad for her, because she strikes me as a woman who would have rocked a natural childbirth and been incredibly empowered by it. I know how it feels to be fed that misinformation by the medical professionals. I truly feel frustrated on her behalf, because I don't think she is too posh to push at all.

[samstress]

how on earth does a c/s maintain your figure?

[Belleweather]

I'm just all impressed that she stayed pregnant long enough to give birth to reasonably-sized twins. I mean, at 5lbs each, we're probably not talking about an early CS to avoid stretch marks, you know?

[desertpenguin]

Originally Posted by Belleweather

I'm just all impressed that she stayed pregnant long enough to give birth to reasonably-sized twins. I mean, at 5lbs each, we're probably not talking about an early CS to avoid stretch marks, you know?

i heard on one of the celebrity gossip programs that the c-section was scheduled for later and for some reason or another they decided to do it sooner. i think she must've gone into labor or something.

[liseux]

We don't know anything about her situation at all. With the hospitalization before the birth she may have been dealing with placenta accreta or a complete previa. She also doesn't seem to put on much weight with pregnancy and may not have had much strength, she could be anemic or preeclamptic. We have no idea.

I don't think the method of birth has too much to do with having natural views about children and parenting. Birth is not in our control, its never been completely controllable for any mammal. I lead a breastfeeding support group and I have seen very attached c/s mamas with babies in sling or at the breast and I've seen homebirthing mamas with baby in the bucket the whole time and the only issue they have is how soon can they leave the baby with a bottle. And many variations in between. I don't judge anymore because we never know anyone's whole story.

[samstress]

Originally Posted by liseux

We don't know anything about her situation at all. With the hospitalization before the birth she may have been dealing with placenta accreta or a complete previa. She also doesn't seem to put on much weight with pregnancy and may not have had much strength, she could be anemic or preeclamptic. We have no idea.

I don't think the method of birth has too much to do with having natural views about children and parenting. Birth is not in our control, its never been completely controllable for any mammal. I lead a breastfeeding support group and I have seen very attached c/s mamas with babies in sling or at the breast and I've seen homebirthing mamas with baby in the bucket the whole time and the only issue they have is how soon can they leave the baby with a bottle. And many variations in between. I don't judge anymore because we never know anyone's whole story.

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thank you for saying it.

[Celticqueen]

Originally Posted by samstress

how on earth does a c/s maintain your figure?

Because they can get a tummy tuck and c-sec done in the same surgery.

-Caitrin

[tarajean56]

Originally Posted by liseux

I don't think the method of birth has too much to do with having natural views about children and parenting. Birth is not in our control, its never been completely controllable for any mammal. I lead a breastfeeding support group and I have seen very attached c/s mamas with babies in sling or at the breast and I've seen homebirthing mamas with baby in the bucket the whole time and the only issue they have is how soon can they leave the baby with a bottle. And many variations in between. I don't judge anymore because we never know anyone's whole story.

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Maybe I'm being sensitive due to being an AP mama who has had 2 c/s...but the tone of some of these posts bug me. It's like, "we thought she was one of us, but with two c/s, I guess not."

[elisent]

I had a c-section with #3 because she was breech, and I was well-informed. A lot of thought went into it and I still believe it was the best decision.

I think she probably had a very good reason for her recent c-section with her twins. She was there on bedrest for quite a while and then they did the c-section early because it was safest for the babies. My guess is there was something wrong so the babies needed to come out, and you definitely wouldn't want a pitocin induced VBAC for that.

[Mama_Leah]

Originally Posted by Celticqueen

Because they can get a tummy tuck and c-sec done in the same surgery.

-Caitrin

I've actually read that this is very rare, almost to the point of being a myth, and most OB's will not do it. Also read quotes by the Dr. that did Shiloh J-P birth that he does not combine c-sections with tucks because it is too risky and that most celebs have c-sections for reasons that aren't released, be they medical or scheduling reasons.

[tireesix]

Yeah, I read that tmmy tucks with a section are a myth, first of all, Obs don't do tummy tucks, they would have to get the plastic surgeons in but not only that, a womans body is simply not ready for a tummy tuck, with organs muscles etc not in the right place, apparently, they need to wait for the woman to recover from the pregnancy before they do anything.

[stacyann21]

this doesn't seem to mesh with her other views about children.

I agree. I definitely think she's been fed a lot of BS by birth professionals she believes to be more natural and lenient. It's too bad really. I read that she had BFing problems and pp depression with her first. I bet a natural birth would have been a healing experience for her.

[JBaxter]

AJ was reported to have high BP & blood sugar issues ( in the gossip mags anyway so who knows if that was true) I was guessing that my have been the reason for the early hospital stay. Having 4 kiddos running around probably wouldnt allow you to rest. Having the prev csection would have kept them from inducing. I doubt she had a tummytuck/csecton because they said they wanted more children so having a tummy tuck then getting pregnant is a mute point.

[Snapdragon]

I am still ttc my first baby and hoping to do a home waterbirth when I do - But I have thought lots about birthing and also Angelina Kolie's situation.

I tihnk she lives in this world where she is so over looked at, and though she plays it cool, it must put her at unease. She and her husband and children are always beien watched. It must feel creepy.

I read that with her first birth they travelled all the way to somewhere in Africa, to avoid the crazyness of press and onlookers. Yet photogophers followe them there! So they had to build a barrier around where they were living/ birthing.
So it is my guess that she did not have a peaceful environment to relax and feel safe in for her first birth. So maybe whe was holding back.
And I do think there is a strong environment of counseling for women to hurry up and get it out- and c-sections are presented. So I imagine She had this counsel, and was scared, and made a choice that felt safest for her.
Then second birth, she has twins ( and I wonder if the conception was aided by doctors or is fraternal twins common?)
Anyway- with her twins, probably the counsel around her scared her into thinking a v bac was not an option. If she had no larger referance of peopl she knew who had done them safetly, maybe she would have thought they were safe.

[Snapdragon]

somehow I am not able to edit my post so pardon the typos and mis spells.
In the end of my post I meant to say-

If Angelina Jolie had had a community of people around her who had gone through births and vbacs safetly, she might have felt safer.

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by tarajean56

Maybe I'm being sensitive due to being an AP mama who has had 2 c/s...but the tone of some of these posts bug me. It's like, "we thought she was one of us, but with two c/s, I guess not."

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I agree 100% with this - there are many moms here that went into birth with their eyes wide open and still needed to have C/S. Just because a celebrity has a C/S means that she is too "Posh to Push." I really hate that phrase.