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post #81 of 324
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I would think the rawness would matter more for the anti-yeast. For a sleeping aid though, he really talked about the fructose/glucose ration and such and I doubt that would change even in pasteurized honey (not that I would recommend ever using that kind).

Does anyone have any articles on the amount lost between raw and unheated honey?
post #82 of 324
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Oh, btw, can anyone else NOT get to the website? I only get a blank screen.
Me too. I've been trying to view it for days now!

So....DD is 13 months today. I am DYING to try this with her. She wakes up all.the.time. I am actually starting to worry that this may have a negative impact on her - never getting a good stretch of sleep at once. I've read the whole thread and see that someone else is going to wait until about 18 months to try it with their LO. If I were to do it now how much would I give? Since the website isn't working for me...would I use the same dosage for her now and when she's 3 for instance or would you increase it every 6 months or something? If I took it would it have any effect on her through BM?
post #83 of 324
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I've been giving the kids (2.5 and 4.5yo) about a teaspoon a little before bed. Maybe 15 minutes before we start bedtime stuff, so maybe 45-60 minutes before trying to fall asleep. I think it's helping them fall asleep faster (that wasn't a problem though, but I still think it's improved). The website doesn't say anything about children that I saw. All that might be in the book though.

Have you looked into other reasons for the night waking? Like food sensitivites, heavy metals etc... can all cause sleep stuff like that.
post #84 of 324
Just wondering, if you drink a bedtime herbal tea with some raw honey does it have the same effect and/or benefits? I do that sometimes. My friend just told me about this thread, so I'll have to try this.
post #85 of 324
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Have you looked into other reasons for the night waking? Like food sensitivites, heavy metals etc... can all cause sleep stuff like that.
DoulaMary and I are, unfortunately, regular posters on the allergy board for food allergies. I'm sure that's part of the reason our kids don't sleep.
post #86 of 324
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Oh, btw, can anyone else NOT get to the website? I only get a blank screen.
Me too.

I'm tempted to try this "diet" as I love raw honey and am trying to lose 10 pounds. Sleep isn't an issue. I just read something by Dr. Cowan (fourfold healing) about fructose/glucose being harmful to the liver, but I need to go back and read it again. That is my only concern about taking the straight honey EVERY night. I've been trying to remember that primitives didn't have sweet things regularly and that fruits were seasonal for most areas.

Oh, for those buying swarmustin honey : I love Walt and started buying his honey and pollen when I met him at a fair in NY about 4 years ago. I've found "bee parts" in my honey, but it doesn't bother me an proves that I'm getting a raw and minimally touched product. His garlic pepper honey is killer!
post #87 of 324
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DoulaMary and I are, unfortunately, regular posters on the allergy board for food allergies. I'm sure that's part of the reason our kids don't sleep.
Yup. I'm almost 100% sure we are not eating anything she is intollerant to now. Her sleep never improved on my ED or TED so I don't think that's it. Heavy metals...hhhmmm? How would I know - what are the risk factors for this? I'll take all the suggestions I can get.
post #88 of 324
This is all very interesting. I will need to try.

When it comes to sleep, I think some kids just naturally wake up a lot. For many 3 yrs seems to be the time when the sleep patterns change. Dd was always up every two hours. She was closer to three before she started to wake up "only" 2-4 times a night. Now at 3 yrs 4 months she is a great sleeper.
post #89 of 324
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Hmmm. I'd like to hear more about what Dr. Cowan says. I wonder if this is something we should only be doing seasonally? I'm getting a bit addicted to the sleep though

I seem to have suddenly lost almost 4 lbs. I think it can only be the honey because my diet is the same as the weeks before I started the honey. Exsercise is the same too, weights every 3-4 days.

My 2 yo daughter had been waking every night very consistently and then when I removed dairy/ gluten for my older daughter's sake (ASD) and the 2 yo started sleeping through the night like magic. We just got back her food sensitivity test and found that she has significantly more allergies and stronger reactions as well, even though not very apparent on the outside.

About the metals: because of the ASD we had 4 yo DD tested for metals (even though she's NOT immunized) and found them high. I then had the whole family tested and found that my 2 yo was the highest in the family for lead and mercury. They can cause sleep trouble. I'm shocked because she gives absolutely no symptoms and if I hadn't tested her sister I never would have thought to test her. I'm glad that I did though so we can get it out before any permanent damage is made. Dr. was shocked by all her tests, it just goes to show you the difference that a leaky gut/ digestive issues makes in being on the spectrum or not. 2 yo probably has yeast, but her absorption of nutrients is good enough to have kept her weight good and general health and happiness good.
post #90 of 324
Well, I tried this last night, but I don't have any raw or unheated honey, just regular store-bought (I know, but I'm learning). I feel incredibly groggy this morning, as if I was in a pretty deep sleep cycle, when I was awakened. I did wake up 2x last night, once from DH snoring and another from DS having a nightmare, but all of that is normal. There is a farmer's market tomorrow near our house, and I'm going to go and get some real honey and see if it works any better.

I guess I was just not counting on being more tired, but maybe I was just sleeping deeper than normal. The good thing is, I didn't wake up with adrenaline or a panic attack, so that was great!
post #91 of 324
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Originally Posted by Freespiritedjem View Post
Just wondering, if you drink a bedtime herbal tea with some raw honey does it have the same effect and/or benefits? I do that sometimes. My friend just told me about this thread, so I'll have to try this.


I would think as long as it isn't too hot. The diet seems to be promoting honey in general. But I would think if you wanted the added protection of enzymes and beneficial bacteria you should eat a spoonful then put some in tea

I have tried it twice(forgot second night) and both times I woke up feeling really really good!
post #92 of 324
I am now the proud owner of a jar of raw, unheated honey from Vermont. It smells amazing. I really want to give it to DD but I think I'm going to hold off for a bit. I am thinking of getting her tested for heavy metals, just in case, and am even considering doing another TED for a week or two to see if there is something new I can find out that may help her sleep.

FWIW - on one of the Manuka honey websites I was reading it said that if you eat the honey on a piece of toast or biscuit or something that helps the honey to stay in the stomach for a longer period which is a good thing and helps it stay effective longer. However, they were not talking about sleep - just other medical issues - so I'm not sure if that matters with the sleep thing or not.
post #93 of 324
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Me too.

I'm tempted to try this "diet" as I love raw honey and am trying to lose 10 pounds. Sleep isn't an issue. I just read something by Dr. Cowan (fourfold healing) about fructose/glucose being harmful to the liver, but I need to go back and read it again. That is my only concern about taking the straight honey EVERY night. I've been trying to remember that primitives didn't have sweet things regularly and that fruits were seasonal for most areas.
I'd love to hear more about what Dr. Cowan says about this as well. I don't have his book. Can someone who has the book check?
post #94 of 324
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Originally Posted by DoulaMary View Post
I am thinking of getting her tested for heavy metals, just in case, and am even considering doing another TED for a week or two to see if there is something new I can find out that may help her sleep.
If you get her metals tested you might as well get the food sensitivities tested at the same time since the needle's already in there. I never would have poked her for the food sensitivites, but once there in, why not?
post #95 of 324
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If you get her metals tested you might as well get the food sensitivities tested at the same time since the needle's already in there. I never would have poked her for the food sensitivites, but once there in, why not?
Yeah, good point. If we have to pay much at all I wouldn't add that testing in though because it's so unreliable for babies. But...I would be curious.
post #96 of 324
Found a hidden jar of raw honey when cleaning the pantry today and found this thread right before bedtime... sounds like fate! I just took a heaping spoonful (teaspoon) of it. I know I should take another one, but my body doesn't seem to want it. I don't deal well with sweets as it is, so one spoonful was enough.

Will report back in the morning how I slept.

Good night!
post #97 of 324
Hello everyone! I found this thread earlier this past week, and have been taking a heaping teaspoon full of Really Raw Honey for the past three nights before bed. I get it from the health food store, and it is very expensive, but I figure it will be worth it if I use it medicinally.

Just for some background, I am an extremely light sleeper. Anything can wake me, and in fact, I usually wake up 4-5 times per night for no reason at all. I never wake in the mornings feeling refreshed, though I am always up early (usually before 6am on weekdays, and before 7am on weekends). I have very vivid dreams and don't know if that has anything to do with it.

These past three nights, after taking the honey, I have woken less through the night (maybe 2x max), and when my eyes pop open at 6am, I actually feel like I have had a good night's sleep! I am refreshed and energized! I almost can't believe it. I am so used to feeling like crap in the mornings, and now I just kinda spring out of bed! :

For me, though, there is more incentive to do the honey diet. I suffer from BAD acid reflux, and it is usually worse at night. It is one of the reasons I wake up so much. From as long as I can remember, I have had to eat something immediately in the morning (something heavy, like bread with peanut butter) because the reflux is so bad and I feel so nauseous. I read on one of the hibernation diet pages that this could be because my body is producing stress hormones while I sleep, instead of burning fat. I don't know if this is true or not, but I do know that my reflux symptoms have been much less severe since starting the honey, and I am not waking up nauseous.

So yeah...this is AMAZING. I am going to keep it up and update here from time to time to let you all know how it is working for me. Thanks so much for starting this thread!!
post #98 of 324
Yeah, I have acid reflux, too, and usually manage it with kombucha or water kefir, but I've noticed since doing the honey thing it has been much better. My digestive system and allergy stuff has been better as well, in addition to all the other improvements...I am so glad I found out about the hibernation diet. I ordered the book from amazon, they say it won't ship until end of Aug or mid Sept...anyone else manage to get it from UK or ?
post #99 of 324
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Originally Posted by TwilightJoy View Post
Found a hidden jar of raw honey when cleaning the pantry today and found this thread right before bedtime... sounds like fate! I just took a heaping spoonful (teaspoon) of it. I know I should take another one, but my body doesn't seem to want it. I don't deal well with sweets as it is, so one spoonful was enough.

Will report back in the morning how I slept.

Good night!
Well, not a success story here, but it might not have been the best night to try. I didn't get to bed until almost 1 and I'm usually out by 11:30. And then from 3am-5am my roommates came home wasted,. turned all the lights on, and took turns vomiting in the bathroom next to my room. So, not so good . I'll try to manage 2 heaping teaspoons tonight and we'll see what happens.

Oh, and the honey I'm using isn't a brand name- it's from a local amish farmer. The label reads "Pure natural RAW HONEY unheated, unfiltered, nothing removed, wildflower".
post #100 of 324
OMG!!! I can't wait to try this!!! I'm going to give some to dd too. We are both terrible sleepers!!! I'll let you know.
I think I'm going to take it with toast and butter....
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