Seeking feedback on developing a re-mineralization protocol for a co-sleeping / night nursing... - Page 2

[CathMac]

Originally Posted by leila1213

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ETA: I would proceed with the Cure Tooth Decay protocol until you can find a dentist. ...

A mom from my LLL group recommended a female pediatric dentist that treated her DD and didn't give her any guff about night nursing.

Unfortunately that particular dentist is on vacation but they squeezed us in to have a hygenist look at her this morning and to have the other dentist (also a woman) take a quick peek. The good news is I nursed DD2 right after the dentist looked at her teeth and no one even blinked. The bad news is that she has 6 cavities. All of them advanced enough to require filling and drilling. It could take as many as 4 visits.

The good news is the cavities in front may not be quite as close to the gums as I thought.

I came in at the end and DH was the one that discussed remineralization with them before I got there (I was completing the paperwork). When I got there she started to explain why we couldn't give that a shot but in my heart I knew intervention would be necessary so I spared her having to explain it. Partly because I want to build a little good will on the issue of oral (as opposed to topical) fluoride.

We got into that a little bit at the end. I think DH is leaning towards oral fluoride but I'm hoping he forgets about it until her next appt. Which isn't until Sept. That might give me a chance to remin once I get the MI paste. But I don't know how much of a difference that would make at this point.

I will certainly ask them to check to see if there has been any remineralization but I'm guessing at best it might limit the amount of drilling necessary.

They don't have the monitoring equipment for Gen'l Anaesthesia, so that's not an issue. Nitrous is out since toddlers tend to fight the mask. Although DH might try to get her used to a particle mask.

Valium is a possibility but the dentist said Benadryl might work as well and we can try that in advance,

I did get the Sonicare flexcare electric tooth brush. Now I need to find the compact heads. That might have the additional benefit of getting her used to having a large buzzing instrument in her mouth.

Thanks for all of the info and moral support.

BTW, I will be posting separately about a cavity fighting lollipop with Chinese Licorice Root. I'm wondering if anyone else has heard of it.

~Cath

[leila1213]

From curetoothdecay.com

Your real teeth can also cover over cavities with glassy hard enamel, provided you take the time to eat specials foods that are right for your body. Learn how to cure tooth decay with nutrition.

At the very least, please don't let them put mercury in her mouth.

[CathMac]

Originally Posted by leila1213

From curetoothdecay.com

Your real teeth can also cover over cavities with glassy hard enamel, provided you take the time to eat specials foods that are right for your body. Learn how to cure tooth decay with nutrition.

At the very least, please don't let them put mercury in her mouth.

leila1213,
This office doesn't use amalgam and the initial paperwork is careful to let you know that the insurance may not pay for for the white material. DH and I were in agreement going into this that she wouldn't be getting any amalgam and cost is not an issue.

Based on your excerpt above regarding "glassy hard enamel", I suppose I have some hope that we can limit the extent of the drilling. The next appt isn't until early Sept.

We are now brushing more often and using Xylitol and the Chinese Licorice Root lollipops to try and kill the bacteria. I am waiting for the MI Paste from Ebay and am trying to locate grass fed beef products, especially the bones for the broth. I have a lead on the bones so wish me luck. : They may have a fair amount right now but the last time they had them was in November so I'm considering getting a deep freezer and taking all that they've got.

It would be ironic if I got a freezer now after Working and Pumping for a little more than two years, but so be it.

Fortunately DD2 is not a picky eater but even if she won't drink the broth herself I will, so she should get some of the nutrients from me when nursing.

I really appreciate your passion for this topic but, at the same time, your apparent compassion to meet people where they are at. I guess in that sense being an advocate for curing cavities through diet is not unlike being a BF'ing advocate.

I would say the same for JaneS and Ksenia ... and I may be forgetting someone else as well. All of your efforts on this board are to be commended.

Thank you.

~Cath

[leila1213]

Aww, how sweet! Thank you for the encouragement to keep talking about what seems like such a strange topic to many.

My DD loved/loves eating soup with a spoon. It was one of her first "healthy" foods. And even when she just picks the carrots out of her soup, I'm at least comforted by the fact that they are soaked in organic chicken broth. Unfortunately, I can't get her to take the CLO or eat eggs, avocadoes, or dairy products much of the time.

Good luck getting your beef bones. I hope DD heals well and you come to a good resolution with the issue.

[Denali]

Originally Posted by leila1213

Unfortunately, I can't get her to take the CLO or eat eggs, avocadoes, or dairy products much of the time.

Have you tried whether she would eat/drink a smoothie...? That's how I get my son to take his CLO and BO, etc.

I mix up organic plain whole milk yoghurt, fruit, sometimes I add some cream taken off the raw milk I get once a week, and add some Xylitol crystals for sweetness....and then I add all those nice little things like CLO, BO, Concentrace drops or whatever he needs to take. He loves the smoothies, and I love that they are actually good for him

[CathMac]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Bone broth is a cinch in crockpot, don't be intimidated!

JaneS,
I had wanted to put my crock pot to greater use but I'm concerned about lead and/or cadmium reportedly found in the glaze of Rival crock pots.

Looks like I'll need to invest in one of the steel ones I started to research awhile ago.
~Cath

[JaneS]

Yeah I bought a Hamilton Beach for that reason and now I hate the rubber seal on the lid.

Stainless steel is not so great either b/c of the nickel, all this makes me :

[JaneS]

Denali,

There was just a not very good article on xylitol in the current Wise Traditions newsletter. It's a very refined sugar. We just use it for topical use, not ingestion.... and Rami Nagel, the author, would not even do that.

[Denali]

Oh, pleeeeeease don't tell me that....I need to sweeten the smoothies somehow, and I really want to do it with something that is tooth friendly

I guess I'll try to get hold of that article and read it....thanks for the info

[leila1213]

We just use honey for the most part. Sometimes maple syrup, if we just want a "pure sweet" flavor, without the honey taste. And we've discovered molasses is great for cooking chicken and such.

[JaneS]

We use raw honey or stevia.

[WildCanaryCait]

yikes about the xylitol article! I have been trying mixing xylitol with a little bit of white oak bark tincture to make a paste for swabbing or dipping a brush in when Aidan is 'in the mood' to brush a bit.
I better read that article too!

[leila1213]

Don't know if this has been covered but I just read in my copy of Cure Tooth Decay that there is a yahoo group called alternativekidsteeth where you may be able to get recommendations on holistic and biological dentists.

It is a really great book that I would highly advise anyone with dental problems to purchase ASAP. I am in the process of a move so I haven't been around here much, but I wanted to let you know what it says about Fluoride.

Fluoride is poisonous. Do not drink fluoridated water or use fluoridated toothpaste. Do not get dental treatments that contain fluoride. The obvious question should be, "why and how could fluoride prevent tooth decay?" In several large and comprehensive studies, fluoridated water has been shown to actually increase the prevalence of tooth decay.

Fluoride does not confer immunity to teeth because it is not an essential vitamin or mineral. It is not a life-giving nutrient. When you introduce a poison such as fluoride into your body, especially in consistent dosages over a period of years (which is what happens with fluoridated water) the internal organs become damaged from the continual exposure. This usually happens subtly over time, so it is difficult to observe its immediate effects. Fluoride's insidious effect on tooth enamel is seen in a condition called dental fluorosis: the white spots, pitting, or mottling of tooth enamel. Fluoride actually alters the natural biological creation of tooth enamel and creats false, more brittle tooth enamel (which now contains fluorapatite). This false enamel is no better at preventing tooth decay than regular tooth enamel. A stronger barrier to bacteria is not what keeps decay at bay, but rather a balanced internal body chemistry with blood rich in nutrients.

(Emphasis added)

It goes on, but that is the relevant part to our discussion.