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post #21 of 41
Seventh Day Adventists are against vaccination
post #22 of 41
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Originally Posted by New_Natural_Mom View Post
I *had* to state a religion or they wouldn't let us in to daycare. I said Lutheran b/c I panicked & that is what DH is. The daycare statute in IL is very vague and they wouldn't take us without it & we were in a desperate childcare situation. I made sure to amend their medical release form to include that we don't give permission for vaxes. I hope it doesn't come up again. If it does, I will just ask how they are certified as religious experts to determine what is "right" for a religion to believe.
I'm surprised they thought they had the right to ask. Schools stay completely away from that IME because it's too easy for religious discrimination to become an issue. They really don't have the right to ask you any questions about your religion. However, they may not know that.

The same day care my unvaxed kids attended with a religious exemption that they did not even question "forced" a mom I know to do vax to be admitted at all. This was before I knew her, and she didn't know what her options were. This goes to show that how you are treated can be very much determined by how well prepared you are--since I was telling the day care exactly what state laws I was exactly complying with rather than asking them what was acceptable to them, I was in a totally different situation.
post #23 of 41
Deeporgarten... Wow... I wish I could just take that part of your brain and copy and paste

Would you recommend any reading or a list of places you have recieved your informations?

T
post #24 of 41
I did internet research on my state's laws. I read the law itself, made sure I knew what applied to day cares, and how. Followed the "directions." Each state has some differences. This was a non-state run day care at the college where my dh works, however they received some state free-lunch food program benefits so they had to follow exactly the rules the schools follow.

I also found that there were legal precedents at Supreme Court level that made even atheist beliefs equally protected by religious discrimination laws. Basically, discriminating against "non-religious" beliefs in favor of religion is religious discrimination, as would be discriminating against a religion without a church leader or without organization or with a membership of exactly one.

This doesn't mean that every state has fair laws, or that all battles are already won. But here's some info I found from my old bookmarks:

"Religious exemptions are a little more complicated. Many states have a clause in their religious exemption that requires the exemptor to be a member or an adherent of a religious organization that has a written tenet opposing immunization. This appears to mean that the exemptor must either change religious affiliations or lie in order to claim the exemption if they don't belong to such a group. Or, so it would seem! Fortunately, that isn't the case."

"Religious rights are guaranteed in the First Amendment of the US Constitution. States must prove a compelling state interest is at stake in order to ignore this. US Supreme Court decisions have upheld the rights of individuals seeking exemptions from immunizations based upon "personal" religious beliefs. In Frazee v. Illinois Dept. of Security, 489 US 829, 1989, they ruled a state may not deny an exemption simply because a person is not a member of a formal religious organization. The Supreme Court has also noted that nontraditional beliefs, including secular humanism, atheism, and nontheistic faiths, are all "religion" for the purpose of free exercise analysis. Fowler v. Rhode Island, 345 U.S. 67 (1953) held that it was "no business of the courts to say what is a religious practice or activity for one group is not religion under the protection of the First Amendment.""

general link on vax exemptions and religion

There are quite a few resources from all sorts of perspectives out there. The state laws will help you understand exactly where you stand.
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post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by Emmeline II View Post
But it has to be ALL.

-For a religious exemption you need to be "against the practice of vaccination". If you give your reasons to be against vaccinations as:

"I'm against vaccination because they use aborted fetal cells" - This is a philosophical reason.

"I'm against pre-marital sex and some vaxes are for sexually transmitted diseases." This is a philosophical reason.

Again, you have to be against the the practice of vaccination. For a more through explanation of why this is read the Wexler decision below.



The Wexler Decision
okay, i read your link, but could you please explain in layman's terms? i swear, before i had kids, i had above average intelligence. now i'm so frickin sleep-deprived, i'm a dope.

my personal beliefs are, a) that vaxes interfere w/what god intended our bodies to do and b) pharmas immorally use aborted fetal tissue. so even if i purchase a vax that does not contain it, i am still contributing to the profit of said company who uses this practice.

are you saying that moral beliefs=philosophical beliefs, but not religious ones? what if i say that god told me not to vax?
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by DaytonsMom View Post
good to know that you don't have to say what religon. Somebody told me you'd have to. And i was in the same boat as the OP. Thanks everyone!
Just so you know, not only do most places not ask, but it is illegal for any one to question you on this. Flat out illegal, they can not insist that you answer that question and it is one that should never be asked in the first place. Feel free to inform anyone giving you the third degree about that one and I can guarantee you that they'll shut up about it.
post #28 of 41
Atually, according the the vax lawyer I consulted ,They are perfectly within their legal rights to ask you about your religion.. what theCANNOT do is deny you an exemption based on what religion you do or do not belong to. (someone can correct mer if I'm wrong...)

As far as the practice of vaxing as oppsed to the vaxes themselves.. Its not about the vaxes or whats in them its about messing with an immune system that is working the way god intended it to. Your own feelings on the ingredients or the safety vax should never come into the equation..."oh, do I think they're safe? well, I guess...I never really thought about whats in them... I just think that the immune system is made perfect by god and etc etc... See the difference?
post #29 of 41
I forgot to say that I agree with deeporgarten that you should go into this knowing exactly what your legal rights are. You should approach this as your legal right, not something that they hold power over you for...
post #30 of 41
We are fortunate to live in a state that supports parents' philosophical exemptions. However at one time we considered moving to a state with restrictive vax laws. We spoke to a rabbi who said he would sign a document stating that because the ingredients are not kosher that it conflicted with our religious beliefs. This is a bit of a stretch because the laws of kashrut really only apply to food not "medicine." It all depends on one's interpretation of the laws.
post #31 of 41
7th day adventist. mornon. :
post #32 of 41
I claim the religious exemption because it's against my personal religious beliefs. I believe God made us exactly as we're supposed to be and we shouldn't be injecting a lot of crap into our bodies.

And if anyone ever pushes me to get a member of clergy to back me up, well I'm ordained (yay legal online ordinations!) so I'll back me up. LOL
post #33 of 41

Some info I have on the subject

A religious exemption for vaccination is a written form certifying that the parent's objection to immunization for religious reasons exempts the parent and child from state vaccination requirements.

A religious exemption is for anyone who has a sincere religious conflict with vaccination. A religious objection may be expressly implied by religious denomination or it may be based on an individual's own moral/spiritual conscience to live God's Word. What constitutes a religious conflict with vaccination?All vaccines are made in violation of God's Word. Vaccines are made with toxic chemicals that are injected into the bloodstream by vaccination. All vaccines are made with foreign proteins (viruses and bacteria), and some vaccines are made with genetically engineered viral and bacterial materials.

A conflict arises if you believe that man is made in God's image and the injection of toxic chemicals and foreign proteins into the bloodstream is a violation of God's directive to keep the body/temple holy and free from impurities.

A conflict arises if you accept God's warning not to mix the blood of man with the blood of animals. Many vaccines are produced in animal tissues.

A conflict arises if your religious convictions are predicated on the belief that all life is sacred. God's commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill" applies to the practice of abortion. When you believe that the practice of abortion should not be encouraged or supported in any way, a conflict arises with the use of vaccines produced in aborted fetal tissue even though you did not have any other connection with the abortions from which the vaccines are derived.
What religions qualify for religious exemption?The statutory language for Florida vaccine policy clearly states that religious exemption must be granted without question if vaccination conflicts with a person's religious convictions. A religious objection may be expressly implied by religious denomination or it may be based on an individual's own moral/spiritual conscience to live God's Word.

Agents acting on behalf of the state in vaccination matters are prohibited from requesting ANY administrative proof that explains the recipient's religious belief or that proves membership in an "acceptable" or specific religion. The state may NOT discriminate between religious denominations and may NOT make judgments regarding religious convictions. What specific scriptural teachings form the basis for religious objection to the practice of vaccination?The New Testament epistles provide an exposition of Christian teaching regarding ethical behavior. Christians think of life as a gift of God and the body as a marvelous work of divine creation to be reverenced as a temple of God (I Corinthians 3:16, 6:19). To keep the body/temple holy and clean from blemish, scripture warns against defiling the body. (I Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 7:1).
There is no scriptural support for injecting poisons or any virus into the bloodstream to cure or prevent disease. The Old and New Testaments, however, are replete with references to keeping the body blemish-free so that we may have abundant life.
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by ryrysmama View Post

A conflict arises if you believe that man is made in God's image and the injection of toxic chemicals and foreign proteins into the bloodstream is a violation of God's directive to keep the body/temple holy and free from impurities.
so if i consume mcdonalds can someone declare that i truly have no religious conviction and, therefore, not be granted religious exemption?
post #35 of 41
Specifically, Christian Science beliefs reject vaccination outright.

I also believe that the Seventh Day Adventist, Karaite Jews, and some sects of Hindu religions also reject vaccination (I think). Since the Amish and Mennonites reject most modern inventions, I do not think they would allow vaccination as it exists today. However vaccination as a practice has existed since ancient times in some form.

Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses leave the belief up to the individual conscience even though Mormons reject such body contaminants as alcohol, coffee, tea, and coke cola.

If one reads religious beliefs specifically, one could reject vaccination in its modern form without further elaboration.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by PaxMamma View Post
so if i consume mcdonalds can someone declare that i truly have no religious conviction and, therefore, not be granted religious exemption?
Hmmm....absolutely!!!

laughup:::
post #37 of 41
The Seventh-day Adventist church does not have an official stance for or against vaccinations. Individual members may decide on their own whether or not vaccinations are appropriate (as far as I know, most DO receive vaccinations ~ I was fully vaccinated as a child raised SDA).

Vaccines are routinely offered in Adventist health care facilities, and a number of international development projects focus on bringing vaccines to underdeveloped countries.

Anyway, just wanted to clear that up!
post #38 of 41
i've always (so far) just said i'm christian. never mind that has nothing to do with why i'm not vaxing...LOL.

but yeah, you don't have to answer specifiically.
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by PaxMamma View Post
so if i consume mcdonalds can someone declare that i truly have no religious conviction and, therefore, not be granted religious exemption?
Your blood stream is a closed system and so injecting animal products is putting them into your body, while your digestive tract is an open system and you are not necessarly putting animal products into your body they are just passing thru via your intestinal tract.
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by MamaVolpe View Post
Your blood stream is a closed system and so injecting animal products is putting them into your body, while your digestive tract is an open system and you are not necessarly putting animal products into your body they are just passing thru via your intestinal tract.
Thankyou!!!

I've been tossing this very idea around in my little ole head today....trying to figure out the hypocrisy of this vs. eating flesh. I kept thinking, well...some of it is absorbed via capillaries,etc. But your explanation is sound,imho.
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