ISO: tuxedo ruffle diaper insert... er... something like that

[loveskilts]

i posted this exact thing over at diaperswappers, but i'm not getting much response. is this a ridiculous idea??
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i'm admittedly new to this diapering thing,... but... i keep getting ebf poo leaks. it's making me insane.

i can see how the poo flow is unimpeded generally by the pretty nearly flat surface of the diaper (1)... gravity loves a nice wet poo. the surface that seems to stop the poo flow better is on the kissaluvs, because they seem to be extra fuzzy. the high fuzz seems to work like a little obstacle course/levee system to the poo (2). am i nuts? has anyone else noticed this?

sooooooo what i'd like to try, but can't find anywhere is a diaper or a liner with skinny little ruffles or something in the crotch...?? the closest thing i can think of to explain what i'm envisioning is the big ruffle patch on those awful 70's tuxedos (3) obviously, i don't want that exact thing for comfort reasons alone, but... *something* like that... maybe just tiny ruffles out of a fleece material that are only 1/4" or 3/8" high?

i thought about sewing (4) a bunch of lengthwise lines down the middle column of one of my babykicks hemp pf (5) and then cutting in between the stitching to create little ripples of fleece...? knowing bupkis about fabric or sewing, i don't know if i'd just be ruining pfs by trying this. it's my understanding that fleece or flannel can maintain rough edges without unraveling??

anyway... i'm thinking along these lines... any feedback or comments would be appreciated (6)




(1) i have a small assortment of diapers & liners, and it's kind of working this way with all of them... it could be that all the diapers i are a misfit for her shape/size... or i just stink at diapering... or maybe she has supersonic poo... i dunno... but the poo leaks are making me crazy.

(2) this makes me happy the poly content in the diaper does not make me happy i want to get rid of them and just use natural fibers.

(3) like this: http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...y/tux175bc.jpg

(4) i can sew only slightly better than an orangutan... i'm not looking to become a wahm... but if i can't find this anywhere, i'll have to try to wing it...

(5) i was going to try 3 diff ways - the first: evenly spaced parallel lines of stitching about 1/2" apart... the second: parallel lines of graduating spaces, getting smaller as you move away from the center to the edges... the third: some variation with an open gap of ruffles in the middle to give the poo a puddling area or something like that...?? crude sketches of what i'm trying to describe below:

-1- _________-2- __________-3-
|||||| _____|| | | || _____|||||||
|||||| _____|| | | || _____||| .|||
|||||| _____|| | | || _____|| . ..||
|||||| _____|| | | || _____||| .|||
|||||| _____|| | | || _____|||||||

(6) for the record, i'm trying to get to a place in diaper nirvana where i have wool wraps to use with hemp or bamboo pfs that don't leak poo (ordering sckoons) and getting fitteds with real gussets to use under knitted woolies... i'm hoping when i get to diaper nirvana, i won't need the disco tuxedo diaper poo containment system... but... [[pounding forehead on keyboard]] in the event that diaper nirvana is actually just diaper *pipedream*... the disco liner is my back up plan...

[MyLittleWarrior]

I do kinda see where your going with that. But before you spend hours experimenting on your nice prefolds, what fold are you using? Sometimes, different folds work better for different babies at containing poo. I use a slightly modified angle wing fold, and it creates a nice poo catching pocket if I get it just right. I know a lot of people have success with the jelly roll fold containing poo. I might experiment with different folds (and getting that dipe on TIGHT!) before I went to cutting up my prefolds. That said, if you're going to cut and sew, there are some great tutorials in the sticky for making your prefolds into "pre-fitteds" and you may find that some elastic around the legs is just what you need to keep that poo contained.

[loveskilts]

thank you for responding

.....what fold are you using?

i think it's not so much the fold as it is the snappis don't seem to work very well on the babykicks hemparoos... if i use them with a wrap, it's ok. if i use them with a knitted wool i end up with a soggy wad in the crotch and half falling off woolies. for the record, i do change her constantly.

.....I use a slightly modified angle wing fold, and it creates a nice poo catching pocket if I get it just right.

this might be what i do also... not sure what to call it... it kind of reminds me of a squid?? i can create a channel when i fold it back, instead of leaving it newspaper in the front. i also tuck the legs in extra.

.....I know a lot of people have success with the jelly roll fold containing poo.

this looks a little like what i do, but not quite... same idea... hadn't seen that one before... will try it

.....I might experiment with different folds (and getting that dipe on TIGHT!)

it starts out tight i hate snappis, but i'm afraid of pins

.....you may find that some elastic around the legs is just what you need to keep that poo contained.

i have some fitteds too.. what i pretty much have decided is that i want hemp fitteds with inner/double gussets for under wool knitteds and i want to get some inner/double gusseted wool wraps for the prefolds. having terrible trouble finding hemp fitteds with gussets, let alone affordable ones. the disco tuxedo liner is my back up plan in case my primary plan of attack fails :\ i found a gusseted diaper pattern called poo pocket, but... i'm not convinced that i trust myself not to completely make a mess of it. i figure i can manage the disco liner if i have to though...

[iowaorganic]

Sacrafice a prefold or 2 and try making your own fitteds with velcro closures. I made almost all of mine into fitteds with elastic in the legs (I set in the elastic almost a half inch and stretched it tight while sewing) and also elastic in the back. This solved a lot of my bf poo issues. Of course it made my prefolds not prefolds anymore..... and they aren't nearly as adjustable in size.... But oh well- it contained the poo.

[kokonutmama]

You can be more confident with pins, as long as you keep your fingers between the pin and the kid, there's not much that can go wrong. I never stuck my kid with one, and I only had 3 kissaluvs, the rest of the time he was in pinned prefolds. Tried snappies, but they just did not work. Didn't have much problem with poo leaks, either. I think the fold I used was called "newspaper."

[loveskilts]

iowaorganic said: Sacrifice a prefold or 2 and try making your own fitteds with velcro closures.

i was actually thinking about doing this, but i have a couple questions if you have a sec...

did you use a prefold to fitted pattern? or did you just wing it?
if you used a pattern, which one and did you like it?

kokonutmama said: You can be more confident with pins, as long as you keep your fingers between the pin and the kid, there's not much that can go wrong.

it sure doesn't seem that way... i went and got some pins (dritz.. are they any good?) and have been using them pretty good with the 3 indian pf i have, but... the majority of my pf are babykicks hemp fleece and trying to put a pin through them is like trying to poke my finger through a concrete wall... i have to push so hard that when it finally goes through, it goes through with such force that i either stab myself or her it sucks. i love the hemp because it's fabulously absorbant, but man... it's treacherous to pin. i'm trying to find bamboo fleece prefolds instead now :\

[thixle]

Heh, I didn't read this cause i thought you were talking about making a "ruffle butt" diaper-- you know, like the covers baby girls wear under Easter dresses?

Here are some links that might help you out:
http://www.diapersewing.com/prefold_to_fitted.htm
http://www.sleepingbaby.net/jan/Baby/gussets.html
I did fleece (the non-absorbant kind) gussets on a few of DD's small dipes. It kept in the eb-fed poo very, very well. But yeah, you'll end up with a fitted instead of prefold, so the size isn't anywhere near as adjustable. Though I bet you could just add longer tabs (the handelbar/waistband part).

As for pins, to make them go through the fabric easier: Get a bar of moisturizing soap (Dove, etc). Wrap in fabric. Store your pins stuck into the barsoap. It lubricates the pins and makes them slide through so much easier. You can also "sharpen" the pins with the fine side of an emery board (nail file). Use the fine side (heck, even fine wet/dry sandpaper), anything coarse will leave burs on the pins that will catch the fabric. Ask me how I know

[loveskilts]

Originally Posted by thixle

....Get a bar of moisturizing soap (Dove, etc). ....You can also "sharpen" the pins

thanks for the links and the tips thixle... the soap helped a little, but it wasn't moisturizing soap... will get some of that to try. sharpening the pins makes sense too... i'll try that also. i'm getting a little better at folding... not much. i still can't do the jellyroll right - obviously *it's me* i keep at it though.

i'm also going to attempt the prefold to fitted thing... (scary) (an idiot who can't fold diapers thinks she should attempt sewing them)