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post #1 of 16
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Thought we were at baseline - maybe we are - but I'm confused. Still dairy and egg free. Always take Enzymedica GlutenEase enzymes when I eat a gluten product (which, by the way, I do eat a lot of : ). DD's poop got normal (i.e. no mucous) and is now like actual big kid poop since she's finally starting to eat lots of solids. She is getting pseudo-constipated every few days and cries when she poops and it's quite firm (but not too dry or hard and not pellets or anything) at these times but other times it's just perfect poop . She eats lots of fiber (fruits/veggies/oatmeal), drinks lots of water and still nurses a lot. I'm almost 100% sure that her stooling patterns are like they are because she is getting molars (aaaahhhh!!!) and teething always really messes with her system. Anyhoo....back to the main issue. She has a little crustiness behind her ears (this is not new), has painful gas sometimes (I'm assuming this is from the gluten) and still sleeps like she is trying to kill me via sleep depravation. I will say that when we were doing the full on ED which allowed her gut to heal and her poop to return to normal her sleep never got better and she's always had that tiny bit of crustiness behind the ears (I thought it was dried milk for a long time until I finally realized it wasn't). She has obvious teething pain at night which is part of the problem. I'm just trying to figure out if maybe there is something else she is sensitive to. I am hesitant to jump to any conclusions because she takes after my bro a lot, including with sleep, and he was a crap sleeper (still is) and didn't STTN until he was 4. She has the same problems as him. She can fall asleep fine but wakes SO frequently. She is a very active sleeper and often wakes herself up because she's trying to roll over in her sleep but gets stuck, she sits up in her sleep and then wakes, etc. In other words, much of the time she wakes for reasons clearly other than discomfort. And...it's a crapshoot if I can get her back to sleep easily with a few pats and ssshhh's or if she needs to nurse. I can usually tell if she needs to nurse due to discomfort (teething or occasional painful gas). My inclination is that this is not a food issue since when I was on the ED she healed, poop got normal, etc. yet the sleep never budged which makes me think her crappy sleep is not actually food related (although she used to wake in pain frequently, now she wakes for other reasons such as being a monkey in her sleep ). So....sorry for long and rambling post. I'm just so desperate for sleep and I'm pretty sure it's a combo of monkey-sleeper, teething, sometimes gas, and waking out of habit but I would appreciate some thoughts on the matter in case I'm missing something obvious. Thanks.
post #2 of 16
Hi, are you me? Seriously. Dd's the same way. Even when I was on the TED everything physically got better except the sleep. That has never changed and actually has gotten worse over time. I don't think you're missing anything, mainly because it sounds like you know it's not food related but you just desperately want it to be something "easy" like food. I know I wish I could just remove one more food (or 10!) if it meant getting some sleep.

I attempted Dr jay Gordon's night weaning plan last week. It sort of worked and yet was a complete failure all the same. It turns out that, of course, my 12 mos old does not need to nurse every 2 hrs at night. She honestly didn't freak that I wasn't nursing her (except the very first night) and it turns out she can go about 10 hrs before she's hungry at night. The problem is she still woke up all night and it took waaaaay longer to get her back to sleep. Last night I waved my white flag, said "you win" and just nursed her when she woke so at least I could get 4-5 hrs of broken sleep as compared to the 2-3 hrs of broken sleep I was getting with the night weaning. Ugh. I feel for you. I really and truly do.
post #3 of 16
Well, my non-allergic kids have been terrible sleepers, too, if that's any help Honestly, cosleeping kids establish habits just like their crib-sleeping counterparts. I'm all about AP, but it is very true that if I'd have CIO'd with my kids they'd probably sleep better. BUT, obviously I wouldn't do that because the bond we form is more important to me than my lost sleep. I will say that when I nightweaned, my kids continued to wake a lot for the following weeks (I gave drinks from a sippy) until they slept completely through the night..
post #4 of 16
I hate to say it, but it could still be food. When DS got the ALCAT test done, he was sensitive to lamb, turkey, pears, and rice, so if I had done the TED with him, I would have thought it wasn't food either, because 3 of the 4 foods shouldn't have been given to him. For us, the sleep issues go away first, then the eczema, tantrums, etc.
post #5 of 16
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OMG. You're so funny Shelsi! Yes, I think I am you. I have the same issue. I can get her back to sleep without nursing (although after a big screaming protest) but this takes so damn long that I'm totally wrecked the day after I do this. I try to be consistent but it's SOOOO hard when you're so freakin' tired. Even though I am insanely tired it's still easiest to just nurse her every time which I don't like doing because I know it's reinforcing to her that she can wake up SO often but I feel like I'll never be able to stick to a get-her-to-sleep plan at night unless I get a week's worth of rest to prepare which, of course, will never happen. Ah well....I'm sure when she's 16 I'll be *wishing* my only concern was rolling over to my girl in bed to feed her. I just keep telling myself this too shall pass. Sometimes it helps....

Sorry mods...didn't mean for this to be a sleep thread per se.
So...anyone else think food could be it still or I am out of luck in this department?
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
I hate to say it, but it could still be food. When DS got the ALCAT test done, he was sensitive to lamb, turkey, pears, and rice, so if I had done the TED with him, I would have thought it wasn't food either, because 3 of the 4 foods shouldn't have been given to him. For us, the sleep issues go away first, then the eczema, tantrums, etc.
But this nods to the point I made about her total gut healing and normal poop happening - how could this have happened if I was continuing to eat something bad?
post #7 of 16
Well my kids had different reactions to different foods. DD gets eczema from corn, a rash from cinnamon, and a lot of her issues were sleep-related. My DS has normal poops but he gets a rash on his upper lip and tantrums from soy, and screams at night and wets the bed if he drinks milk. The poop has always been normal. So yes, I still think it can be a food that's causing the sleep issues. But then again, you could just have a light sleeper. My DH says I'm "tenacious" about the kids' food intolerances. Most people would just say I'm neurotic.
post #8 of 16
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Well my kids had different reactions to different foods. DD gets eczema from corn, a rash from cinnamon, and a lot of her issues were sleep-related. My DS has normal poops but he gets a rash on his upper lip and tantrums from soy, and screams at night and wets the bed if he drinks milk. The poop has always been normal. So yes, I still think it can be a food that's causing the sleep issues. But then again, you could just have a light sleeper. My DH says I'm "tenacious" about the kids' food intolerances. Most people would just say I'm neurotic.
LOL, that's me, too! Any problem anyone suggests about their child, I immediately think, "Undiagnosed allergies!"
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My DH says I'm "tenacious" about the kids' food intolerances. Most people would just say I'm neurotic.
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LOL, that's me, too! Any problem anyone suggests about their child, I immediately think, "Undiagnosed allergies!"
OMG- me too... I'm sure everyone I know is tired of hearing about it. Got a kid with colic? Food allergies! Spitting up? Food allergies! He's kind of grumpy on Tuesdays? Have you looked into food allergies?!
post #10 of 16
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Kathy - thanks for the reminder that there can be diff. symptoms for diff. foods. I just kind of have it in my head that everything with DD has to do with her gut. At this point it's such a freakin' crap shoot though! How in the world would I start to figure out if it is a food. I can tell you lots of foods it isn't! Oy Vay!
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Kathy - thanks for the reminder that there can be diff. symptoms for diff. foods. I just kind of have it in my head that everything with DD has to do with her gut. At this point it's such a freakin' crap shoot though! How in the world would I start to figure out if it is a food. I can tell you lots of foods it isn't! Oy Vay!
The one food I didn't see listed that I know can sometimes have that (constipation) effect is soy...is that one you have experimented with enough to know one way or another?
post #12 of 16
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The one food I didn't see listed that I know can sometimes have that (constipation) effect is soy...is that one you have experimented with enough to know one way or another?
Yeah, that was out for a few months. I did a full trial of it and she was fine. I'm fairly certain the poop thing is tooth related. Yesterday she had normal, non-crying poop. It's weird because I wouldn't really even call it constipation. It certainly doesn't fit the definition of constipation - I don't know why it hurts her so bad sometimes. I guess it can just get a tad too firm for her poor little bum. I think I've resigned myself to no sleep until she has all of her teeth in. I think that's the only way I'm going to be able to figure out if there is another issue besides gum pain that's going on. I think for the rest of her life I'm going to suspect food issues whenever something is out of the ordinary.
post #13 of 16
First of all, I'm wary of the safety of taking enzymes and still consuming a known problem food (gluten) but that probably isn't the source of the sleep problem because it didn't clear up on the TED (unless she's reacting to one of the few foods you included at the time.)

I'd first look at the possibility of a behavioral reaction to something other than food. DD2 reacts strongly to artificial colors, and less strongly to artificial flavors. She gets similar reactions to having artificial colors on her skin, or to smelling artifical fragrances (chemically, synthetic fragrances and flavors are very similar.) Are you using any bath products that contain any colorings, fragrances or "mystery ingredients"? Do you use scented products in your home? Laundry detergent that may leave traces of a problematic chemical on the sheets? Does she spend a lot of time at someplace else (grandma's house, daycare, etc) where she might be exposed to sythetic fragrances or where somebody else might be slathering conventional baby products on her?
post #14 of 16
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First of all, I'm wary of the safety of taking enzymes and still consuming a known problem food (gluten) but that probably isn't the source of the sleep problem because it didn't clear up on the TED (unless she's reacting to one of the few foods you included at the time.)

I'd first look at the possibility of a behavioral reaction to something other than food. DD2 reacts strongly to artificial colors, and less strongly to artificial flavors. She gets similar reactions to having artificial colors on her skin, or to smelling artifical fragrances (chemically, synthetic fragrances and flavors are very similar.) Are you using any bath products that contain any colorings, fragrances or "mystery ingredients"? Do you use scented products in your home? Laundry detergent that may leave traces of a problematic chemical on the sheets? Does she spend a lot of time at someplace else (grandma's house, daycare, etc) where she might be exposed to sythetic fragrances or where somebody else might be slathering conventional baby products on her?
Gluten is not a known problem food. It is a safe food for us, aside from the fact that it is generally a hard thing to digest - hence the gas. She's with me 24/7 so she is not exposed to any unknowns. I don't use lotion on her. I use soap/shampoo (Burt's Bees) about once every 7-10 days. I don't wear perfume or scented lotions and DH doesn't wear cologne. I wash all laundry with BioKleen, no dryer sheets. I do not believe she is not having a reaction to the items you mention but I really do appreciate your ideas and thoughts.
post #15 of 16
That sounds like dd's sleeping habits, and our ED history...

After I found out I was dealing with adrenal fatigue and got our vitamins right we *both* slept better immediately. Now that I'm stressed out again (and we're reacting to something again) we're both sleeping horribly. again.

And check out the Hibernation Diet thread in traditional foods...
post #16 of 16
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That sounds like dd's sleeping habits, and our ED history...

After I found out I was dealing with adrenal fatigue and got our vitamins right we *both* slept better immediately. Now that I'm stressed out again (and we're reacting to something again) we're both sleeping horribly. again.

And check out the Hibernation Diet thread in traditional foods...
Okay - just read that thread. Woah! That sounds absolutely crazy and I'll be searching for raw honey tomorrow. I'm leary of giving it to my DD since she's only 13 months and I would not consider giving her other sweeteners but I will definately be researching this more. Thank you so much for the link.
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