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post #1 of 21
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Anyone have experience with this? We literally have run out of things to give my DS, and recently discovered (through a feeding clinic eval) that he has terrible oral motor tone and can't move his tongue laterally. At all. (Good thing we got his tongue tie fixed last month, now at least he can learn to move it!) He has many issues, and our immunologist and allergist are sending us for a genetics consult to see if there is an overarching chromosomal or metabolic disorder at work here. (They are continuing immune testing at my insistence, since all of his results indicated a permanent immune deficiency- if left to their own devices, they would have me wait til he's 3 years old to see if he grows out of it.)

Anyway, he is allergic to eggs (his one IgE allergy), dairy, and corn. He had acid poop (complete with blistering) on elemental formula, and started getting it again on Alimentum and on his cow's milk trial. So we let him have rice milk and his safe purees (sweet potato, pear, avocado, etc.) for 2 days, and his diarrhea STOPPED. The feeding clinic team agreed we shouldn't go back to the Alimentum, and are looking into sourcing amino acid powder so we can make a custom formula.

In the meantime, they suggested we try this Toddler Health rice based toddler formula- we picked some up last week. The good thing about it is that he is tolerating it digestively- his poops are so beautiful I could frame them! The bad thing is that he's now losing weight. We currently have it mixed to around 24 cal/oz, and he's only taking 23-24 oz of it per day (he was at 30 oz/day of alimentum). We've tried sweetening it, but it doesn't really help. We are doing food trials for other protein sources, but right now we can't do anything potentially dangerous (like soy) because my car is in the shop all week and we live in a really remote area. I do have an epi-pen here, but I want to be able to take him to the doctor if something goes badly. I tried garbanzo bean and safflower oil puree today, but he hated it.

He cannot chew at all, so anything he's to derive nutrition from has to be pureed at this point (he will start OT for feeding issues as soon as we get my car back). My guess is that the osmolality of this toddler health stuff is just too high for him (someone else posted that they had this issue with concentrated elecare in one of my other threads). One of our three nutritionists has suggested I add some oil to the formula to boost the calories. I have calls in to the other 2, but I figured this was a better source for BTDT advice. :

FTR, he lost about 10 or 12 ounces (varies by scale) in 8 or 9 days.

Sorry to ramble- I'd love to hear any thoughts you mamas have (on this particular formula or anything else in my post).

Oh, another thing- his thrush and mottled tongue have disappeared for the first time since he got a bottle of supplemental formula at 6 months.
post #2 of 21
Big to you and your lo!

Can you add oil to his toddler formula? Like olive, safflower, or some other safe oil to increase the overall calories?
post #3 of 21
This seems to be my solution for everyone lately but can your LO tolerate coconut? If so I would probably be feeding large quantities of avocado and coconut milk because they are so high in fat. Plus adding oils to everything he eats if he can tolerate any and if the taste is palatable.
Big, big hugs to both of you.
post #4 of 21
Ooh- I second the coconut milk idea. That stuff has loads of calories and fat!! And tastes much better than oils.

post #5 of 21
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thanks for the suggestions! We are adding safflower oil to his purees, so I think I will put some in his formula as well to boost calories.

He eats 1/2 an avocado per day, which is (I believe) 40 calories. At 19 lbs, I worry about giving him more of something so dense- I definitely want to increase his calories, but I don't want to fill him up so much that he refuses the formula.

I love the coconut milk idea- we don't know yet if he can tolerate it (I despise raw coconut, although I love coconut milk based soups). I will get some this week and do a trial of it.

Poor little dude is thirsty- he drank probably six ounces of water in a straw cup (his mouth is too weak for sippy cups) and cried when the cup was empty. (I tried to get him to take the toddler formula from a cup, but he threw it at me. Tee hee.)
post #6 of 21
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so I talked to one of the nutritionists today, and she said we should give him another week to self-regulate on intake. In the meantime, I am going to add safflower oil to every bottle, since we add it to purees and he does fine. If he is still losing, we may need to hospitalize him.... but hr took 27 oz of formula yesterday! woot!!
post #7 of 21
I wonder if this particular child would do better having some sort of drink with calories rather than plain water- can he tolerate fruit juices?
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
I wonder if this particular child would do better having some sort of drink with calories rather than plain water- can he tolerate fruit juices?
good point- he tolerates diluted apple juice, but we stayed away when he had diarrhea because it usually increases his bowel movements. now that his stools are ok, i could try it again. every calorie helps!
post #9 of 21
I bought hemp seed oil at amazon, no hemp seed allergies/intolerances have ever been reported!

http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/hemp/seedprot.htm

"Hemp seed protein can supply any diet with a vegetarian source of essential fatty acids, antioxidants, vitamins, minerals, fibre, chlorophyll, and a complete, balanced gluten-free source of the essential amino acids."
post #10 of 21
Reported to who???

DD reacted bad when I tried some chocolate hemp milk. I thought maybe it was the chocolate, but have had chocolate since with no reaction... Maybe it was another ingredient in the hemp milk...
post #11 of 21
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Reported to who???

DD reacted bad when I tried some chocolate hemp milk. I thought maybe it was the chocolate, but have had chocolate since with no reaction... Maybe it was another ingredient in the hemp milk...
Is there soy lecithin in packaged hemp milk? Any problems with soy?
post #12 of 21
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Is there soy lecithin in packaged hemp milk? Any problems with soy?
OOPS- just looked up the kind we had (Living Harvest), and what do you know? Xanthan gum. At that time, I had no idea corn was an issue for us... STUPID CORN!

It does also have some added vitamins, so who knows what those are derived from...
post #13 of 21
I would recommend stopping by the Traditional Foods forum and getting the recipe for a home made formula - there are raw dairy and meat based ones. You'll have to adjust some for his allergies and also maybe for taste depending on his age.

Of if he doesn't like the flavor of the meat based formula, then feeding a lot of bone broths which are super duper high in minerals and vitamins. You can get recipes and more info there on the most nutrient dense foods.Broth is easy to make: the bones of an organic, pastured chicken (or grass fed beef) stick in a stock pot with water and some veggies and herbs and a dash of vinegar, bring to boil and then simmer for about 12-24 hours. It is incredibly healthy.

How allergic to milk is he? Many people with dairy intolerance do great with raw dairy because it still contains the lactAse needed to digest the lactOse. Or they do well with raw goat milk. Of course you have to make sure to get it from a clean, small, family type farm. Can't drink the industrial stuff raw!!

There are a lot of vitamins and minerals that he won't get in their most easily assimilated form in rice milk or rice based formula. The added vitamins are not full vitamins. For example if vitamin C is added, it's most often added in the form of ascorbic acid, but ascorbic acid is only a component of vitamin C. Without all the components in their naturally occuring form, the body can't so easily assimilate vitamins or minerals. The same is true for vitamin D and vitamin A. Synthetic D can be dangerous in large amounts, whereas natural D is needed in huge amounts and non-toxic. Same for vitamin A.

Also, for many of the vitamins and minerals to be digested by the body, saturated fats are needed. That's why the main component of breast milk is saturated fat. I'd try the coconut milk and some good unrefined, cold pressed coconut oil rather than the safflower oil. It's higher in saturated fat and omega 3's which all children need for brain development.

Anyway, if you want more info, the Traditional Foods forum is loaded with good stuff. Hope to see you there
post #14 of 21
sorry, i was trying to quote that website that i posted where they said that no allergies have been reported. i couldnt find a reliable source stating the same though. lo is allergic to flax and *seems* fine with hemp seeds so far.

http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic...6858778&sr=8-7
this is the hemp oil i got, so far so good! i have also used shelled hemp seeds and i tried hemp protein powder today from the same maker as the oil, but it hurt my stomach....
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Attached Mama View Post
I would recommend stopping by the Traditional Foods forum and getting the recipe for a home made formula - there are raw dairy and meat based ones. You'll have to adjust some for his allergies and also maybe for taste depending on his age.

Of if he doesn't like the flavor of the meat based formula, then feeding a lot of bone broths which are super duper high in minerals and vitamins. You can get recipes and more info there on the most nutrient dense foods.Broth is easy to make: the bones of an organic, pastured chicken (or grass fed beef) stick in a stock pot with water and some veggies and herbs and a dash of vinegar, bring to boil and then simmer for about 12-24 hours. It is incredibly healthy.

How allergic to milk is he? Many people with dairy intolerance do great with raw dairy because it still contains the lactAse needed to digest the lactOse. Or they do well with raw goat milk. Of course you have to make sure to get it from a clean, small, family type farm. Can't drink the industrial stuff raw!!

There are a lot of vitamins and minerals that he won't get in their most easily assimilated form in rice milk or rice based formula. The added vitamins are not full vitamins. For example if vitamin C is added, it's most often added in the form of ascorbic acid, but ascorbic acid is only a component of vitamin C. Without all the components in their naturally occuring form, the body can't so easily assimilate vitamins or minerals. The same is true for vitamin D and vitamin A. Synthetic D can be dangerous in large amounts, whereas natural D is needed in huge amounts and non-toxic. Same for vitamin A.

Also, for many of the vitamins and minerals to be digested by the body, saturated fats are needed. That's why the main component of breast milk is saturated fat. I'd try the coconut milk and some good unrefined, cold pressed coconut oil rather than the safflower oil. It's higher in saturated fat and omega 3's which all children need for brain development.

Anyway, if you want more info, the Traditional Foods forum is loaded with good stuff. Hope to see you there
Thanks for all these suggestions. I will definitely look into doing a bone broth- it will be pretty plain, as we've trialled no herbs, and he seemed to have some acidic poop from a wedge of white potato (so no more nightshade family), but he tolerates carrots quite well.

He has a pretty severe reaction to dairy- extreme amounts of green, mucousy poop that burns his skin even on small amounts of whole milk, and 5-6 green diarrhea diapers even on the hydrolyzed milk formula. We tried goat's milk once months ago, but that also gave him green diarrhea. We can't really do anything unpasteurized, since he has an immune deficiency.

I will definitely check out Traditional Foods- the goal, of course, is to get the most bang for the buck with what goes into him, so that sounds like a good place to get ideas. Thanks!
post #16 of 21
The bone broth is a good idea for some extra calories and fat (plus, a whole bunch of nutrients!). I make mine totally plain, and DD loves it. And then I just add some sea salt and rice noodles to mine for a quick soup!
post #17 of 21
I make totally plain bone broth as well. Dd won't just drink it but it's easy to hide. I made a huge batch of it and then froze it into cubes. Everyday I mix a cube into her oatmeal. You could just as easily mix it into any puree though. Dh calls it her chicken oatmeal lol :
post #18 of 21
I have never heard of that formula before--

Can he tolerate coconut milk mixed into it? It's 60 cal/oz.

My dd sometimes takes Bright Beginnings soy-based toddler formula (30 cal/oz). Before that when she was on no foods she took Neocate Jr formula but it tastes horrible (so glad she had a feeding tube).
post #19 of 21
DD3 is drinking Elecare unflavored. (And I thought alimentum was expensive!)


She is allergic to dairy, beef, pork, all grains except rice and corn and some fruits.
post #20 of 21
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my DS had allergic reactions to both Elecare and Neocate Jr. because of the corn, unfortunately.


He is doing a little better now with the toddler health formula (http://www.toddlerhealth.net), but it's a challenge to get it in him. We are currently adding 1 mL safflower oil to every 5 oz bottle, so he's stopped losing weight for now. But the stuff is so thick, he has trouble even taking it through an enlarged nipple because he has low oral tone. We have to cup and straw feed him about half the volume, and it's tough to do that because he coughs and sputters a lot. So I spend a large part of my day feding him- you'd think he was a newborn.

Made some bone broth this weekend! He is having odd and too-frequent poops today (six so far, it's not even 2 PM), so I need to wait a few days before i give him anything else new (I think he had a fruit leather with undeclared corn in it). So I will be freezing it and making some chicken rice for him later in the week.
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