Is there a new AAP bf policy? - Page 2

[randomacts]

Originally Posted by pantufla

Never mind that Dr. Phil isn't a medical doctor.

"Dr." Phil isn't even a registered and licensed DOCTOR at all!! His License has expired and he isn't qualified to council.

[elizaMM]

Um, a Ph.D. qualifies him to both be called a doctor, and to counsel. From his site:

"Dr. Phil has a B.A. from Midwestern State University and an M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine."

[Shelsi]

I actually like Dr Phil and watch him almost every day. This was actually a re-run. Usually for anything baby/kid related he has Dr Jim Sears on who, of course, gives fairly AP advice. In the last year or so he's the only pediatrician I've seen on the show given any air time. I have yet to hear any breast feeding advice that makes me want to throw things at the screen and trust me I have a propensity for yelling and throwing things at the TV when they say stupid things

I think over all Dr Phil actually helps the people on his show or at least he appears to. It's obvious to me he's not trying to do 10 minute cures. His show of course is sometimes over the top and dramatic for ratings but he always sets these people up with real therapists, counselors, and doctors afterwards in their home town which I think is great. He does come off pretty pompous sometimes but what doctor doesn't? lol.

[Khourtniey]

Originally Posted by jessjgh1

well according to a dr i just spoke w/, once a baby is 1 they need cows milk because its higher in fats and nutrients than human milk...

so even if someone ignores fr phil they are likely to hear that from their doc
grrr

Jessica

Higher in fat... exactly why I didnt give my oldest son cows milk....

Luckily I have a supportive ped of breastfeeding and extendeding breastfeeding and extended exclusive breastfeeding.. I would share him with you guys but he is all mine!!!

[red17]

Originally Posted by jessjgh1 View Post
well according to a dr i just spoke w/, once a baby is 1 they need cows milk because its higher in fats and nutrients than human milk...

so even if someone ignores fr phil they are likely to hear that from their doc
grrr

Jessica

One thing we all need to remember is unless a Ped's Dr has an extensive knowledge of breastfeeding, they are not going to be the best source on that subject... that's why Lactation Consultants are in demand. The WHO recommends breastfeeding for a min of 2 yrs, not 1 as the AAP does. Although I spose we should be happy that they recommend it at all.:

I don't mean to dis any Dr's but for more than 3 generations they told women that formula was best -- an obvious colossal mistake (I'm being nice). Pharma companies are in Dr's offices weekly touting all the benefits of their products, formula included. No one visits Dr's weekly touting the benefits of breastfeeding. When we breastfeed, there is NO money to be made, only huge profit margins to be lost by Big Pharma companies. And while this post mentioned cows milk, there may be some misguided Dr's who push the (yuck) toddler formula instead of cow's milk.

If it is actually true that cow's milk is more in calories (ie energy) but, it is for whole milk which has 150 per CUP. But, it has zero, none, nada, in the way of antibodies for your child and tons of nutrients which cannot be duplicated ... only human mama's milk has all of these nutrients .

Originally Posted by Khourtniey

Higher in fat... exactly why I didnt give my oldest son cows milk....

Luckily I have a supportive ped of breastfeeding and extendeding breastfeeding and extended exclusive breastfeeding.. I would share him with you guys but he is all mine!!!

My DD's ped is wonderful too. And, I'm overjoyed that we found him Sometimes our guardian angels are working overtime.

[jessjgh1]

If it is actually true that cow's milk is more in calories (ie energy) but, it is for whole milk which has 150 per CUP. But, it has zero, none, nada, in the way of antibodies for your child and tons of nutrients which cannot be duplicated ... only human mama's milk has all of these nutrients

Yes, its frustrating because pulling one piece from the whole equation gives drs a logical way of understanding it, so they feel like they "know" the right answer. And don't forget they 'get' this from their organizations-- so they get a summary highlight from the AAP (or other organization) that they base their advice on.

I just told him I thought human milk would be best for our family and he wasn't giving me a hard time at all-- I was just surprised he was actually telling me that. He's a bit open to information, so I'll have to find the time to write it up.

On the otherhand, he's never mentioned vitamins, d supplementation or iron for my breastfed babe, is okay that were not vaxing, and doesn't push antibiotics or other invasive meds-- works towards prevention and health through diet, excercise, etc.

Jessica

[randomacts]

Originally Posted by pantufla

Never mind that Dr. Phil isn't a medical doctor.

"Dr." Phil isn't even a registered and licensed DOCTOR at all!! His License has expired and he isn't qualified to council.

[AnalogWife]

Originally Posted by Shelsi

I actually like Dr Phil and watch him almost every day. This was actually a re-run. Usually for anything baby/kid related he has Dr Jim Sears on who, of course, gives fairly AP advice. In the last year or so he's the only pediatrician I've seen on the show given any air time. I have yet to hear any breast feeding advice that makes me want to throw things at the screen and trust me I have a propensity for yelling and throwing things at the TV when they say stupid things

I think over all Dr Phil actually helps the people on his show or at least he appears to. It's obvious to me he's not trying to do 10 minute cures. His show of course is sometimes over the top and dramatic for ratings but he always sets these people up with real therapists, counselors, and doctors afterwards in their home town which I think is great. He does come off pretty pompous sometimes but what doctor doesn't? lol.

ITA. I didn't see the episode this week, but I did see one a while back when he said that it would be up to the mom/nursling to decide, but that he felt that when "the kid pitches the keys on the nightstand and says 'hey, let's go'" then in his opinion it was time to wean. He also said that he felt that co-sleeping was too "risky" but he did say there were reputable doctors who supported it...and it's true, I've seen a lot of the Searses on his show too. He's not perfect, but I think he gives women a lot more credit than many other shows.

[NettleTea]

Originally Posted by randomacts

"Dr." Phil isn't even a registered and licensed DOCTOR at all!! His License has expired and he isn't qualified to council.

Originally Posted by randomacts

"Dr." Phil isn't even a registered and licensed DOCTOR at all!! His License has expired and he isn't qualified to council.

Everything alright over there?

[Emmeline II]

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Originally Posted by Grylliade

Everything alright over there?

Ooooooooh nooooooooooo.... the Vashta Narada got randomacts :

[Ruthla]

Originally Posted by randomacts

"Dr." Phil isn't even a registered and licensed DOCTOR at all!! His License has expired and he isn't qualified to council.

But if he has his Doctorate in any subject whatsoever, he can still be called "Dr." even if he's not practicing anything. Somebody with a Doctorate in Basketweaving (if there was such a thing) could legitimately becalled "doctor soandso".

[KiraMisu1999]

Slightly off-topic, but now the AAP is recommending "low-fat milk" for kids over 1 year old instead of 2 years old (which I personally think is a load of hooey). How do they reconcile that with breastmilk which is pretty high fat? Of course, breastmilk fat is exactly what little ones need, but we know how our culture says that any fat is bad.

[velcromom]

Originally Posted by KiraMisu1999

Slightly off-topic, but now the AAP is recommending "low-fat milk" for kids over 1 year old instead of 2 years old (which I personally think is a load of hooey). How do they reconcile that with breastmilk which is pretty high fat? Of course, breastmilk fat is exactly what little ones need, but we know how our culture says that any fat is bad.

I agree, when we now know that breastmilk actually increases in fat content over time and that a nursing toddler is getting whole (mama's) milk that can be well over 10% fat.

Plus, add to that the new research that says consumption of lowfat milk by males is associated with prostate problems including cancer...

I think Dr Phil may have softened his stance on infant/toddler parenting a little? I stopped watching about two or three years ago cuz he was getting annoying, but since then he's made a habit of letting the Sears crew have air time, and his statements on his site seem ok. Not that I'll start up watching again, lol.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by dantesmama

I just got off the phone with my mom, and she said she heard on Dr. Phil today that there was a new American Academy of Pediatrics policy stating that children should be breastfed for a *maximum* of 2 years. (Of course, since this was Dr. Phil, they apparently had a nursing 7yo on just for the shock value. )
I hadn't heard of this and I'm hoping it's not true. :

I saw that show the other day. Your mom misunderstood. The Ped (Dr. Sears) said the AAP recommends nursing til 1 year and the WHO recommends nursing til at least age 2.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by KristyDi

I happened to see that today. Your mom heard wrong. Dr. Sears (not the original, but can't remember his 1st name) was on.

It actually wasn't too bad. Dr. Phil clearly stated both the AAP and WHO recs. He stressed the word minimum IIRC. One of the female dr.'s said something about how the breasts primary purpose is feeding kids. Dr. Sear talked about someone telling his wife to bf on the bathroom. He got applause when he said he told the person to go eat in the bathroom themselves. Dr. Sears also said that bf for the 1st year was "very important" because the longer kids are BF the smarter they get. (his phrase not mine)

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[Artemnesia]

No there is no new AAP bf policy. And children weaned before 2 years of age are at increased risk of illness. The natural, normal age of weaning is between 2.5 and 7 years.

It never ceases to amaze me that people think it's necessary to wean kids off human breastmilk at a certain age only to start them on cow's breastmilk. WHATEVER!

[KittyKat]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

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Ooooooooh nooooooooooo.... the Vashta Narada got randomacts :

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Silly humans. Your babies need human milk! They're not baby cows...
I don't get why anyone thinks it's somehow better for a kid to get cow milk past some arbitrary magical cutoff age.

[MaryJaneLouise]

Originally Posted by dantesmama

And then went on about how she doesn't think it's a good idea to nurse for very long because "kids are developing so much earlier these days." .

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You could say that is why you are feeding human milk vs. hormone laced cow's milk, to avoid all those extra hormones that other animals are pumped full of .

[MaryJaneLouise]

Originally Posted by KiraMisu1999

Slightly off-topic, but now the AAP is recommending "low-fat milk" for kids over 1 year old instead of 2 years old (which I personally think is a load of hooey). How do they reconcile that with breastmilk which is pretty high fat? Of course, breastmilk fat is exactly what little ones need, but we know how our culture says that any fat is bad.

The "thinking" is that higher fat milk contributes to childhood and later adult obesity :