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post #21 of 34
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Originally Posted by Katherine4 View Post
Thanks, ladies, for your feedback!

I totally sympathize with the fears about vaccinations, and I may forgo vaccinating in the end, but how are you moms so confident about your decisions? Don't you have any fears about the diseases that are out there? I'm not asking this question to be antagonistic. I really want to know. Even if you believe that money drives a lot of the vaccination recommendations, children do get sick and become seriously ill from diseases in this country. It may be somewhat rare if you're taking smart precautions, but it does happen. So I'm just wondering where you get your confidence.

Thanks, again!!

Katherine
Yes, kids get sick from diseases. But they also get sick or die from reactions to the vaccines. I'll take my chances with mother nature.

Healthy kids do not die. Their bodies fight off the diseases- even if it's a vaccine preventable disease. It's my belief that vaccines mess your immune system and other things up, and your body is less prepared to fight these illnesses. Plus, even if I allowed my kids to be injected, there's no promise they would never get the disease the vax is supposed to protect them from.

When I was pregnant with my son, I was so, so scared not to vaccinate. Terrified! But the more research I did the clearer it became to me that I just couldn't forgive myself if, knowing what I know, I allowed him to be vaccinated and something happened. I look at it like I can always change my mind and have him vaccinated (not that I will!) but I can never UNvaccinate him once that shot is injected.

ETA: I live in a very large city, and have done a large amount of traveling with my son, and am not at all worried.
post #22 of 34
I forgot to mention that we also travel a lot to Europe and back. Before our first flight, I was scared about meningitis, don't ask me why. It just seemed the most dangerous disease to me at that point. Our family chiropractor then told me that a person having meningitis would just feel way too sick to travel at all. Since then I am not worried anymore about any disease.
post #23 of 34
I live in a very rural area, when DD2 was born we were living in a town of 1,200. She got pertussis as a newborn, DH gave it to her, she was literally exposed at birth. Even if we were a vaxing family, it wouldn't of helped us with that illness. She survived obviously and less then a year later was directly exposed to HIB in that same town. The little boy was life flighted away 1-2 days later, DD2 did not get it. I think it was the only illness she has ever been exposed to that she didn't get!


You can't prevent everything, there will always be something that you could be afraid about. I can't say that I don't worry a little bit about pertussis and another newborn when we have another baby. That was the worst experience of my life, and I truly don't care to repeat it, but it also can't consume my life.
post #24 of 34
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Healthy kids do not die.
Yes, some healthy kids do and will die from diseases, even VPDs. Does that mean you should vax? No of course not. But I think running on the assumption that your child, or any child, could not die of a disease just because they are healthy is faulty.
post #25 of 34
this is enough info for me...26 YEARS of research:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...KhrvXpDA&hl=en

also I did about 3-4 hrs research daily for about a year
post #26 of 34
live in a huge city never, never stayed home, never avoided where lots of people where. dd vaxed up to 2y shots, ds not vaxed... but vaxed or not i always walk away from people who are coughing and are looking sick. i dont look at as "have they been vaxed" but more "i dont want to get sick" i really think that more things get spread around that vaxes dont stop, so how i act with or without a baby it just not wanting to be sick. i breastfeed, wash hands and just the normal stuff everyone should do day to day.
post #27 of 34
I live in the East San Francisco Bay Area. Maybe I'm strange, but, I looked at each disease, saw that most of them really aren't issues overall and then looked at each vaccine and saw the ingredients in them, and said no. I think I was afraid before I knew about the diseases, but I never let fear force me into a decision.
We did do Hib, on a delayed schedule. I'm not sure we'll do that next time. We chose to mostly because my Dad had bacterial meningitis when I was a kid, and it really messed him up (to use a technical term). But Hib doesn't do anything for all the other strains of meningitis, and it's rare, so...
Learn about the diseases. Find out if there are issues around where you live. Then look at the vaccines, their side effects, reactions, and ingredients.

Good luck!
post #28 of 34
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We did do Hib, on a delayed schedule. I'm not sure we'll do that next time. We chose to mostly because my Dad had bacterial meningitis when I was a kid, and it really messed him up (to use a technical term). But Hib doesn't do anything for all the other strains of meningitis, and it's rare, so...
And chances are astronomically high that your dad had meningitis caused by a bacteria OTHER than Hib....

-Angela
post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by Katherine4 View Post
I don't live in a big city, but I live in a fairly heavily populated area with lots of immigrants. If you were me would you be any less comfortable with not vaccinating?

It seems like the doctors who are pro-vaccination but also in favor of a selective schedule are most concerned about Pertussis and the two forms of menangitis (which the vaccines Prevnar and Hib are supposed to target) during the first year of life. Should I be worried about these diseases because of the area that I live in?

If I were to not vaccinate my child, should i be changing my lifestyle in any way to protect her particularly during her first year of life when her immune system is at its weakest? (for example, keeping her away from crowded places)

At what age does a child's immune system become considerably stronger so that they are less vulnerable to disease, even less vulnerable to a bad case of the flu, which is pretty common?

Thanks so much for reading!!

Katherine
my decision not to vax has nothing to do with the size of the city i live in, or the population here. i don't think vaxes work well enough, with few enough risks, to warrant being used in a situation where proper nutrition and medical care are readily available. my comfort level is with not vaxing and would be, i think, no matter whether i lived in a rural area, small city (which i do), or very urban area.
post #30 of 34
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Our family chiropractor then told me that a person having meningitis would just feel way too sick to travel at all.
Well that's nice, but meningitis has been spread on airplanes. There were 21 reports of suspected travel associated meningitis cases that occurred between 1991 and 2001 (this is from the CDC).
post #31 of 34
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Well that's nice, but meningitis has been spread on airplanes. There were 21 reports of suspected travel associated meningitis cases that occurred between 1991 and 2001 (this is from the CDC).
You can't "spread" meningitis; it is a physical condition, like a broken arm, not a disease. You could spread a virus or bacteria that is prominent in meningitis cases, but you are more likely to carry them without harm than to develop meningitis.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/000680.htm
Meningitis is an infection that causes inflammation of the membranes covering the brain and spinal cord. Non-bacterial meningitis is often referred to as "aseptic meningitis."


The most common causes of meningitis are viral infections that usually resolve without treatment. However, bacterial infections of the meninges are extremely serious illnesses, and may result in death or brain damage even if treated.

Meningitis is also caused by fungi, chemical irritation, drug allergies, and tumors.
post #32 of 34
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post #33 of 34
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Originally Posted by Katherine4 View Post
I don't live in a big city, but I live in a fairly heavily populated area with lots of immigrants. If you were me would you be any less comfortable with not vaccinating?

It seems like the doctors who are pro-vaccination but also in favor of a selective schedule are most concerned about Pertussis and the two forms of menangitis (which the vaccines Prevnar and Hib are supposed to target) during the first year of life. Should I be worried about these diseases because of the area that I live in?

If I were to not vaccinate my child, should i be changing my lifestyle in any way to protect her particularly during her first year of life when her immune system is at its weakest? (for example, keeping her away from crowded places)

At what age does a child's immune system become considerably stronger so that they are less vulnerable to disease, even less vulnerable to a bad case of the flu, which is pretty common?

Thanks so much for reading!!

Katherine
I think you may be getting some conflicting advice. there's plenty of it out there (books, websites, articles)---and I think we all just have to follow our gut about vaccines vs. diseases. Having said that, meningitis IS contagious; it is not just a 'secondary infection." Healthy children DO die (or are disabled) from vaccine preventable diseases. Vaccines DO work ---if only to lessen the severity of the illness if contracted (not including the HPV vax, which we don't know enough about.) You ARE more likely to come in contact with a disease in a densely populated, un-vaccinated area (whether it's immigrant or not, may not matter) but if your child is in daycare with 15 other children, s/he is much more likely to come in contact with a disease. Handwashing is great; as is good nutrition, but it will not keep an airborne virus from speading. Now, whether a vax is worse than the disease? I think it depends on the health of the child or any underlying issues. I would be more likely to vax a healthy child (on a careful schedule), than to risk him contracting the disease if he is likely to be exposed. This likelihood often depends on your lifestyle (travel, daycare, healthcare workers, etc). A child who is already "unhealthy" may risk more by not be vaxed. These are the decisions only a parent can make. One thing that the books are helpful with, is determine an individual child's biochemical vulnerability to CERTAIN vaccines. You really should just evaluate each one on it's own merit, against your child's need/health. I have done years of research as well, and I am a selective/delayed vaxer. It's not "all or nothing" to me. I believe in vaccines---but I don't believe in the schedule; the ingredients; or mandatory vax.
post #34 of 34
You mentioned pertussis specifically.. the vaccine is not very effective even when you receive all 3 shots... and even less so after only 1 or 2 doses. And like someone else pointed out, the series ends at 6 months when it's significantly less serious for a child. DS had his shots at 2 & 4 months and got pertussis at 5 months. It sucked for sure.... but I'd happily take that over injecting my kid with the vaccine next time around esp cause we ended up having to deal with it anyway.
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