Sigg bottles for kids? - Page 3

[velochic]

Originally Posted by riverscout

That is not the same as saying they are "BPA-free." I've also noticed on the websites that sell them they say thing like "no traces of BPA" rather than "BPA free."

Anyway, to the OP, I looked at Siggs and decided against them because they smell weird to me. I don't like the plastic liner.

Yes... no kidding. They do not have a plastic liner. The liner is a water-based liner.

If there is no BPA, there is no BPA. You want to mince words and get het up about it, then there really isn't anything that anyone can do help you make a decision. Your mind is made up.

And... "smell weird"???? That one is certainly a stretch, but to each his own.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter to me other than the fact that I think it's important that a respectable company isn't shown in false light based on opinion (rather than fact).

[riverscout]

Originally Posted by velochic

Yes... no kidding. They do not have a plastic liner. The liner is a water-based liner.

If there is no BPA, there is no BPA. You want to mince words and get het up about it, then there really isn't anything that anyone can do help you make a decision. Your mind is made up.

And... "smell weird"???? That one is certainly a stretch, but to each his own.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter to me other than the fact that I think it's important that a respectable company isn't shown in false light based on opinion (rather than fact).

I'm the one that is "het up?" Are you ok?

Look, you kept claiming that in the article the CEO said the bottles were "BPA free" and you seemed unable to understand why tree-hugger could not see where the CEO said that in the article. I simply pointed out that the CEO did not actually say the bottles are "BPA free" as you kept asserting. It may be semantics, but to some people there is a distinction. I'm sure the bottles perfectly safe, but I can totally see why some people may not be comfortable with the lack of information about the liner.

Like I said, I didn't buy a Sigg bottle because of more personal reasons. I think they smell weird. Why that deserves an eye roll I have no idea. I didn't say the smell was harmful, just weird. I don't like the fact that they have a liner, what ever it may be made out of. I think it's what smells since as far as I know aluminum doesn't smell like much. And I have heard right here on MDC that some people have had issues with foul odors after use and have had trouble cleaning them.

I have no idea why you would take any of what I said so incredibly personally. We are talking about bottles here for goodness sake. Lighten up.

[mamazee]

"No presence of PBA" means the exact same thing as "PBA-free". I don't get what the issue is here. That's very obvious and easy to understand.

We have Klean Kanteens and love them, but I'm sure the Siggs are nice too. I just heard they dented easily and with my level of coordination they'd look awful pretty quickly.

[ChickityChinah]

I think that this page here does a good job of explaining the situation w/ the SIGG liners. If there *is* BPA in the lining, none of it leaches. In that case, I see no issue, personally. But, to each their own. I would say that it's slightly more than semantics, the statement from SIGG does leave open the possibility that BPA is used in the liner formula but it is completely polymerized and therefore does not leach out into liquids. Some might find that still a risk, despite the extensive and (in my opinion ) conclusive testing that proves they do not leach.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...s-bpa-free.php

(chants thermos thermos thermos, lol!)

[Lovin' It]

We use Klean Kanteens and love them. I like the wide mouth and the fact that we got to decorate the bottles ourselves. my dds has a sticker that says "plant seeds and sing songs" it's sooo her! Anything that is easy to clean is popular with me.

If you get the KK sippy top from Advent I've been told to only get the white one. Or only use the turquoise one without the spill proof thingy. The sucking with the hard plastic turq. one is bad for the teeth apparently.

[velochic]

Originally Posted by riverscout

I have no idea why you would take any of what I said so incredibly personally. We are talking about bottles here for goodness sake. Lighten up.

As I said before... I'm not taking it personally, I'm just saying that it is important the the *facts* are given. For *any* purchase.

For some (like me) the fact that KK are made in China is a deal-breaker. It's important that this fact be known. I wouldn't someone to tell me they are not, then I find out they are. It's just simple courtesy to give factual data... that one's opinions are not based on false information.

To me "no BPA" and "BPA-free" are the same (and my undergrad degree is in linguistics, so I'm finding it hard to understand how someone sees a semantic difference).

(Did you like that "het up"? My dd heard it on the Beverly Hillbillies the other day and I couldn't wait to use it.)

[Blooming]

Alright, after much debate (both here and on my own, I'm going with the kleen kanteens, I'm skipping the sippy top and going straight to the sport for the kids.

I may order a Thermos for little DS when he goes to preschool.

My oldest could only find one sigg that he liked (and it was $30.00)
so we're going with the kleens.


Thank you so much all of your input. I really went back and forth about 20 times but I'm glad to have the knowledge I do.

[riverscout]

Originally Posted by velochic

As I said before... I'm not taking it personally, I'm just saying that it is important the the *facts* are given. For *any* purchase.

For some (like me) the fact that KK are made in China is a deal-breaker. It's important that this fact be known. I wouldn't someone to tell me they are not, then I find out they are. It's just simple courtesy to give factual data... that one's opinions are not based on false information.

To me "no BPA" and "BPA-free" are the same (and my undergrad degree is in linguistics, so I'm finding it hard to understand how someone sees a semantic difference).

(Did you like that "het up"? My dd heard it on the Beverly Hillbillies the other day and I couldn't wait to use it.)

I'm not going to debate what the facts are here. It seems both sides have been expressed here, and my opinion about them is irrelevant. I think others reading are intelligent enough to interpret the information and make their own decision. It seems some people have a different interpretation of the facts on this issue than you and even me for that matter. It doesn't make them wrong or you right or vise versa. This is not as clear cut as something like country of origin

And no, I didn't like that "het up." I wasn't laughing at the phrase but at your incredibly dismissive and disrespectful attitude as made evident by using such a phrase and by saying things like "some people" and implying people are making up smells and by your extensive use of this emoticon ---> . And with that I am done with this conversation.

[4evermom]

Originally Posted by Blooming

Alright, after much debate (both here and on my own, I'm going with the kleen kanteens, I'm skipping the sippy top and going straight to the sport for the kids.

I've had problems getting the KK sports top lid closed all the way and having it not leak, as has a friend of mine. One more plug for the sigg, lol, is that the sports lid comes apart in two sections so you can clean the spout with a pipe cleaner.

I do like that the KK takes ice cubes easily but one can under fill trays for the sigg or get special trays.

I like that siggs are lighter since I tend to carry both my and ds' bottles in my bag.

I've never had a problem cleaning siggs. I usually just give the bottles a shake with a touch of detergent and rinse them out. We only use water and the only time there has been a funky smell is when the sports lid needs cleaning (gets food from ds' mouth if he is drinking while eating).

Siggs can go in the dishwasher. Because the mouths are narrow, the bottom interior might not get the dishwasher spray and the exterior decoration might get slightly abraded over time, as do most finishes in a dishwasher. Regular glass will get etched from a dishwasher, too.

[ChickityChinah]

Well, I personally do not see any BPA issue with the SIGG bottles. However, I do think that it's important to clarify that SIGG never has come out and said that no BPA is used in the manufacturing process. They have only said that there has been no evidence of leaching after extensive testing. There very well *could* be BPA used in the manufacturing of the SIGG liner. But if it is, it doesn't appear to be chemically available in order to leach out into the bottle's contents.

If a bottle has BPA in it but it doesn't leach, it can't be 'BPA Free.' The water inside it can test to be BPA free, but the bottle itself still contains the BPA, even if it does not leach due to a special manufacturing process. To some, this distinction could be a deal breaker when considering what brands to buy. I think it's important to respect other's choices!

This is all speculation, of course, because the SIGG process is secret (totally within the manufacturer's rights). However, the way that the statements and ads are worded makes me think BPA is probably present at some point in the chain of manufacturing, but gets bound by whatever polymers are used in the creation of the liner and doesn't leach out.

Lucky me, I love my thermoses so much I don't have to worry about it anyway, lol!!

[velochic]

Originally Posted by riverscout

And no, I didn't like that "het up." I wasn't laughing at the phrase but at your incredibly dismissive and disrespectful attitude as made evident by using such a phrase and by saying things like "some people" and implying people are making up smells and by your extensive use of this emoticon ---> . And with that I am done with this conversation.

Sorry you felt disrespected. I apologize. I am certainly not *that* interested in what people buy to offend people.

[mamazee]

Originally Posted by ChickityChinah

Well, I personally do not see any BPA issue with the SIGG bottles. However, I do think that it's important to clarify that SIGG never has come out and said that no BPA is used in the manufacturing process. They have only said that there has been no evidence of leaching after extensive testing. There very well *could* be BPA used in the manufacturing of the SIGG liner. But if it is, it doesn't appear to be chemically available in order to leach out into the bottle's contents.

If a bottle has BPA in it but it doesn't leach, it can't be 'BPA Free.' The water inside it can test to be BPA free, but the bottle itself still contains the BPA, even if it does not leach due to a special manufacturing process. To some, this distinction could be a deal breaker when considering what brands to buy. I think it's important to respect other's choices!

This is all speculation, of course, because the SIGG process is secret (totally within the manufacturer's rights). However, the way that the statements and ads are worded makes me think BPA is probably present at some point in the chain of manufacturing, but gets bound by whatever polymers are used in the creation of the liner and doesn't leach out.

Lucky me, I love my thermoses so much I don't have to worry about it anyway, lol!!

That's not how I read it at all. It sounded like they get the liner from a supplier, and the supplier has the legal right to not tell them or anyone what specifically is in the liner. They've done a ton of tests and have found no presence of PBAs. But they don't like that the supplier won't release their formula, so they're shopping around for other suppliers.

[ChickityChinah]

Originally Posted by mamazee

That's not how I read it at all. It sounded like they get the liner from a supplier, and the supplier has the legal right to not tell them or anyone what specifically is in the liner. They've done a ton of tests and have found no presence of PBAs. But they don't like that the supplier won't release their formula, so they're shopping around for other suppliers.

Fair enough . But I still contend they are testing the liquid INSIDE the bottle to see if anything has leached into it. If SIGG themselves don't even know for certain what is in their liners' formulas, they they can only promise that their bottles do not leach. They can't promise there isn't BPA bound in a polymer. So they restate that extensive independent testing has found NO presence of BPA (or lead or mercury, or phalates etc). That doesn't mean it isn't there, just means they can't detect it (in which case logic reasons it would pose no risk).