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post #1 of 24
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I am posting this because, reading through the posts on this board, it seems like many of the mamas here who got their sons circ'ed a were coerced by their dh or another man in their lives. That makes me so sad, I can't imagine being coerced by the only person who loves my son as much as I do to mutilate him, let alone the day he is born! I just feel really lucky b/c my dh is very anti-circ, and if I had a different husband who was for the procedure, my son probably would not be intact today.

Here's my story: I was born in Eastern Europe where it's not customary to circ. I think I once heard my parents discussing with friends the fact that Americans "cut" baby boys even without religious reasons, and how strange that was. I didn't really know or care too much about the subject. I don't mean to sound crude or give TMI, but since I married pretty early I haven't seen too many penises in my life. I think the only time I saw a circumcised penis was on a video in psychology class, and I remember thinking, " Gee, that looks strange, it must be kind of hard for him to have sex." But I don't think I really registered the fact that he was circumcised.

Fast forward to when I was pregnant w/ ds and I was at a prenatal appt. Luckily, it was one of the ones my dh attended w/ me. My doctor asked if we wanted our son circed. Before I could say anything dh, almost yelling, said "No, and is there anything else we need to do to make sure the procedure definitely doesn't happen?" I was a bit taken aback but since I didn't really care either way I didn't say anything until after we left the doc's office. When I asked him why he was so upset by the question he told me what circ was and how it was basically mutilation done for the sake of tradition and how people in this country first started doing it to seem more "American." My dh is Mexican but one of his brothers was born in the U.S. and I guess the docs tried to get his mom to circ him so my dh sees it as really racist. I definately think there is a racist or xenophobic component to it, because, I looked up the circumcision stats and it is done most widely in predominantly non-immigrant places like the rural midwest and south. One of the arguments people use is "I don't want my son to look different" i.e. i don't want my son to look un-American.

It makes me disgusted to think that had my dh not been so vocal in his opposition I may have gone ahead and had the procedure done out of ignorance. I think that, had my dh not attended that appt. I probaby would have asked the doc what she thought, and she would have probably told me how it is very common and harmless and I may have been swayed to do it. I can't even imagine bringing home my little boy with a wound and possibly in pain. How terrible it must be for a baby to enter the world and feel such pain inflicted on him in the presence of those who are supposed to love and protect him.

Anyways, I was wondering if any of you had similar experiences where it was a male in your life that was the main force behind your decision not to circ.
post #2 of 24
BRAVO to your husband! : Thanks for sharing your story. I'm an intact gay male and my future-partner will have to accept that our sons will be intact! Hopefully he'll be anti-circ, too. If not, I'll have to educate him, which I don't mind doing.
post #3 of 24
My husband is a closet intactivist... I don't think he's start up a conversation out of nowhere, but he'd make his feelings known if someone else was advocating circ'ing.
post #4 of 24
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My husband is a closet intactivist... I don't think he's start up a conversation out of nowhere, but he'd make his feelings known if someone else was advocating circ'ing.
That's my DH also. It doesn't hurt that he is also intact (WTG MIL for going against the norm) and gets to be living proof of what he is preaching!
post #5 of 24
My DH is a passionate intactivist. He'll talk to anyone anywhere, anytime, any way that he can, just give him an opening and he'll never STFU about it.

He's the best .
post #6 of 24
My dh is a huge intactivist. He's put bumper stickers on our car, makes dvd's for our birth center to hand out, will talk to ANYONE about it.

Background for us: Dh was circ'd, his father is also circ'd, but his 2 younger brothers arnt. He grew up knowing about circ and feeling like he was missing something. He researched it on his own as a teenager and became an intactivist then. We also found out later that his parents had decided against having it done to begin with and the OB had lied and did it behind their backs. Her other 2 were saved because she was extremely protective with them (they were born a year and 3 years after dh) in the hospital. So dh is circ'd yes, but his sons will never be

Hey Microsoap, my brother in law is gay and kinda cute.....hehehehehe
post #7 of 24
No, I wish.
post #8 of 24
So far my DH is right in the middle about it, it seems. He knows it's painful and unnecessary so he's fine not doing it, but he was circed and doesn't have a problem with that, so I think it just might take time. I'm pretty sure that if we have a son he'll be more likely to speak up against it.
post #9 of 24
He is you can see from my old thread how much more it means for ds to be intact:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...s+is+beautiful
post #10 of 24
My DH is an intactivist AND he's a physician.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by DisplacedYooper View Post
My husband is a closet intactivist... I don't think he's start up a conversation out of nowhere, but he'd make his feelings known if someone else was advocating circ'ing.
this sounds like my dh. he's come a long way
he was circ'd
post #12 of 24
Unfortunately, my DH could go either way at this point. I've gotten him to realize how painful circ is and how devastating it can be (he still doesn't see the usual complications as actual complications), but he's not really against it yet. I think he still believes it to be a parental decision.

The only good thing about this that we have going on is that we will never have children together (I had two children prior to our relationship and he has none) and therefore, the issue will never cause any marital problems between us.

Even knowing that, though, I still feel the need to convince him!!! It's not even a case of *having him on my side*, either. It's more like.. if he ever leaves me and has children of his own with someone else, I would want to make sure that he would leave them intact. Is it completely weird for me to worry about stuff like this? LOL I mean, I do plan to grow old with this man!
post #13 of 24
DH is circumcised and he is the biggest intactivist I know. He wasn't always that way though. When we found out we were pregnant the topic of circ came up and DH said instantly and without thinking, "I could never do something like that to anyone let alone my son." After that he did a lot of research to back up his feelings and he has since become very passionate. He gave a pregnant barista the nocirc website on a napkin Once we were talking to a friend of mine that was pregnant about circ and he started to shake, it was really intense. He later told me that if she would have said "Yes, I do plan to circ" that he "didn't know what he would have done." I explained to him that he can't punch people, let alone pregnant people. But for the most part I try not to judge his extreme reactions because clearly he is coming from a raw (literally) personal experience, I just try to listen supportively. I think eventually he will get to where he does not want to kill people, or maybe not, but I love him either way!
post #14 of 24
I think my DH thinks its painful and unnecessary, but I don't know if he's really against it. He's heard mulitiple BF experts say that it can interfere with breastfeeding. I think he would vote to cut it from medicaid or insurance coverage, but maybe not make it illegal.
post #15 of 24
I think it's a big step for a lot of men to go from the "it's not necessary" to the "it's wrong" or "human rights violation" mindset. It must be (relatively) easier to think "Well, now we know it doesn't need to be done, even if our parent's generation thought it did" than to place *yourself* as a person whose human right have been violated!

When DS was born, DH and I decided together that circ'ing just wasn't needed, so we wouldn't do it. But it took him a lot longer than to come around to the idea that parents shouldn't have the right to decide if their children's genitals are cut.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by InDaPhunk View Post
My DH is a passionate intactivist. He'll talk to anyone anywhere, anytime, any way that he can, just give him an opening and he'll never STFU about it.

He's the best .
Same here! I have to keep him from going off to strangers about how being intact increases male sexual pleasure and sensitivity and makes him a better lover
post #17 of 24
My DH was of the parental choice mindset. He is intact and we left our boys intact but we didn't know much about circ. We just left them intact as that is just what is done here in our family. No one circs so we didn't even hear all the supposed benefits or stereotypes. Now that DH has been educated by me slowly as I have been learning and reading myself I have gotten to the point where I think it should be illegal. DH on the other hand would argue with someone against circ and he thinks it is horribly wrong. I don't know how he stands on makeing it illegal.
post #18 of 24
Yes, he is compared to most (but not nearly as much as I am).
He's circed and he says while he's not happy about it, he doesn't suffer any complications and he holds no resentment against his parents or dr.
But he does feel it's wrong to do against anyone against their will. He has placed more than a few "penis cards" and pamphlets through the years, he has demonstrated with anti-circ signs on the Capitol one year, he tried desperately to convince his brother not to circ his nephew, and he has debated with a co-worker over circ (coworker is pro homebirth, anti-vax, anti cio, anti-govt, yet still thinks circing will prevent his child from getting HIV).
My husband has also entertained the idea of restoring his own foreskin but I know it will never follow through (anything that requires more than 2 or 3 days commitment will never happen).
But I think compared to most US men my dh is a pretty big intactivist.
post #19 of 24
Yep! My dh is intact and is adamant about not making that choice for our kids. He's not shy at all about bringing it up and talking to expecting parents about it. I love it!
post #20 of 24
Yes, my DH is a staunch intactivist. Ever since he realized as a young teenager what was taken away from him, he's been adamantly against it. He talks about it whenever it comes up with people, two of those times I have posted here about, as they were especially notable conversations.

I grew up not really thinking much about it one way or the other, and with the exception of one English-born intact friend who was very vocal about it, I only really began to explore the issue when I was pregnant. We ended up having a daughter but DH says he would never have let circ happen if we'd had a son. Of course, even by the time DD was born, I had become a beginning intactivist myself. I pretty much spent all of a few minutes looking at pics of intact penises on the Web to see if it was really "so horrible". And I determined that, no, it really wasn't anything I couldn't get used to, and certainly not worth causing a child pain over. Now I think intactness is beautiful and wonderful and, sadly in this country even a gift to be thankful for.

Incidentally, I now have an intact friend who I enjoy discussing this issue with. I have never met his mother, but I just think the world of her anyway for going against the norm and protecting her son.
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