Originally Posted by Wugmama
The yeast issue has been weighing heavily on my mind since it has become such a prominent topic in this forum lately.
We hadn't been to see our doc in about 6 to 8 weeks as it is difficult to get there. But we went on Monday. I asked her about yeast and told her how some I've heard online are taking nystatin and such. She told me I don't want to do that. Her take on it is that if you support the body with the right diet, including pro-biotic food, it can get back into balance. She said something to the effect that the yeast keep the bacteria from getting out of control and you wouldn't want to kill them all off.
Sometimes I feel like she can't take us all the way home. Yet she's brought us this far.
Also, yesterday, my dh met an ND in her 50s. She claimed to have had eczema for years and then cleared it all for good with gut healing about 10 years ago, never having changed her diet. She is much closer to us than the other doc, who is only going to practice through the end of this year. I may give this new one a call.
It has gotten chilly here the last several days. I've been telling myself we did NOT heal due to the incoming warm weather last spring, but due to the gut healing we had done. Today my skin on my hands feels tight and itchy. The baby was scratching yesterday too. I am starting to panic. I.cannot.have.another.winter.like.the.last.one.we. will.not.survive.
Tracy, please try a yeast kill. You have nothing to lose. I've followed your struggles and I want to help you so badly. I bolded that part in your quote to mention something I keep saying on these forums but have to repeat (cos who the hell can be arsed reading all through a thread... not me that's for sure
). The problems are thus:
1) Candida is one type of yeast, and is not friendly, it is not meant to be there, it does nothing for our body but take take take. It claws into our bowel leaving holes for proteins to slip through, causing allergies. It turns fungal, spreading throughout the body. It has receptors on it's surface that are exactly like our own body's receptors, fooling the immune system, so it cannot be killed off. It keeps the immune system so busy that it has trouble with any extra burden. If you have killed off bacteria, then you need to kill off yeast, it's that simple. Your doc fails to realise that yeast get out of control FAR more easily and often than bacteria, so saying that you don't want an imbalance, (of more bacteria than yeast) is, frankly, ridiculous.
2) Our diet is full of yeast growth factors and antibacterials. Therefore, just in our day to day life we tip the balance in favour of the yeast. We need to completely change our life and diet or we need to keep on top of the yeast, one or the other. And it is much too hard to stay on a bacterially friendly/yeast squashing diet, and really, who wants to?
3) Probiotics will do NOTHING if you have no room left for them on your gut wall. This is why probiotic treatments often fail. You have to make space for the good bacteria, or they are in one end and out the other. Bacteria and yeast stay in our gut by "hooking" into the thin mucosal lining of the colon. Our lining is totally covered as protection from invaders
- if they can't hook in, they can't stay and make us ill. This is a major part of the bacteria's job, to act as a fort. Now, you cannot take probiotics and do one iota of good if they can't find room in that fort - neither good guys nor bad guys can find room. If that wall is made up of predominantly yeast, your lining is a mess, you have less good guys helping you digest and well, the list goes on.They have to be removed, to make room, THEN add probiotics.
4) diet takes WAY too long to be effective. You can kill off the same amount of yeast and start rebalancing in days
with a yeast killer with what would take you MONTHS on a diet. Diet is effective maintenance
. It is a very slow treatment
, however. This is like saying:
"Oh, you have a bacterial infection in your throat? Go on a bacteria free diet
and in a few months you'll feel great and your body will be back in balance!"
This may be true, but what do doctors and naturopaths do instead? KILL THE BACTERIA!! That's the sensible thing to do when infected. (naturopaths using herbs and whatnot and docs using antibiotics, but both have the same motive) You can die from a bacterial infection, and you can die from a yeast infection. People die from both all the time, world over. Both can also cause your life much drama. Imagine a child with a chronic bacterial infection of the lung. Would you tolerate that? Of course not. Why tolerate a yeast infection of the gut, mouth, vagina, or skin? I will never understand why doctors treat yeast as though it is no big deal and jump all over bacteria as though it is king, giving advice like, oh yeast, yeah, just change your diet. The same thing can be said for bacteria because an infection is based in poor diet and lifestyle but the best move is always the fastest move. Then worry about cleaning house and installing new good guys, eating well and so on.
5) You can't "kill them all off". Well, you could technically, but you can't in reality because of the way candida evades the system. Tests have shown that in mammals that previously had no candida, when it is introduced into their body, no matter how you try to remove it it is never fully eradicated. This is in an organism that never had candida before, where the candida is not meant to be (such as in a human body). You also can't kill them all off for other reasons such as the air we breathe is full of yeast and bacteria, the food we eat is moldy (most fruit is covered in fungus, no matter how fresh).
The thing we want to do is make sure that when you kill off bacteria you also kill off yeast - always take nystatin when you take antibiotics. The other thing we want to do is make sure that the re population of the gut is with our digesting bacterias, not so much yeast. That's when probiotics are useful, when you have space for them.
Are you able to do threelac, Tracy? Or oxygen elements? Or oil of oregano (I haven't done this one, but I keep hearing good things)? I recommend threelac cos the only diet change you need to do with it is less sugar - a limit of ten teaspoons a day of sugar. They are specific strains of bacteria chosen to target candida. Therefore, you leave most of the other things alone in the gut and also repopulate in the spaces with those bacteria in threelac. "If I were you", I'd eat green leafy foods, mountains of them, and roast pumpkin and brown rice, and take threelac, three sachets a day, one ml of oxygen elements a day divided in the doses, nystatin for a week 500000IU per day (nystatin is optional, as I will get wicked die off if I take it with threelac, and I recommend another probiotic also if I take nystatin, one with bifidos and as many as I can get in one bottle. Some probiotics boast up to 8 strains). I would also look at those links I posted about treating babies and children and just cut to the chase.
In two weeks I could be over the die off, in one month I could be symptom free. Then restart the supps etc.
In the meantime, try doing NAET home treatment I posted. If you get no success, see a professional NAET practitioner and get those allergies removed. You still must heal the gut though, as NAET only treats allergies, not the cause.