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post #141 of 1043
I ordered it from the UK because I didn't want what's available in the US. I got a powder and mixed the suspension myself. When I researched it this sounded like the best option.
post #142 of 1043
Calm, I asked this before on the other thread, but I'm wondering where you stand on heavy metals? It's useless to treat yeast if metals are present. What do you think?
post #143 of 1043
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Calm, I asked this before on the other thread, but I'm wondering where you stand on heavy metals? It's useless to treat yeast if metals are present. What do you think?
Now you are depressing me...


Pat
post #144 of 1043
Oh, Pat!!! Don't be! They are very easy to test for, so you can know quite easily. Inexpensively too.
post #145 of 1043
I've been out of this discussion for awhile but...
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
I ordered it from the UK because I didn't want what's available in the US. I got a powder and mixed the suspension myself. When I researched it this sounded like the best option.
(bolding mine) Would you mind sharing where exactly? I've always wondered about online pharmacies etc. I am sure so many of them are fine but just have no way of knowing which ones. I'd consider that very valuable information! TIA
post #146 of 1043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
Calm,

I'm now wondering about yeast b/c me & my kids have been unable to heal. What do you think? Here are my kid's symptoms:

DD - 4.5 yrs
Redness on her labia
periods of frequent urination
red cheeks (all the time it seems)
Tons of air in her digestive system (distended tummy)
Lots of gas
Very loose stools (usually has stomach pain before pooping)
Very emotionally volatile
Vacilates between irritability & euphoria

She is already gluten & dairy free. I suspect some other allergens or sensitivities. She is supposed to have ALCAT testing done when I can get her to agree to the blood draw.

DS - 1 yr
Mucousy green poops
Redness around the anus
Really bad sleep
Constantly growling stomach
Dry skin
Congestion

I have been on an elimination diet for about 9 months now and done gut healing for both of us. He's improved some but not nearly enough. We're slowly introducing solids.

Me -
Constipation
DAndruf/itchy scalp
Gas

If I decide to treat us, what would be best as I'm still breastfeeding DS and I can't take anything that will upset his system. But at this point, I feel I have nothing to lose. I've been to 2 naturopaths & neither have helped.
Sounds like it could be yeast. Either that or parasites. Dandruff is fungus, that's treated with antifungal shampoos (called "antidandruff" shampoos but they contain antifungals like zinc pyrithione and ketoconazole). So you do have a fungal problem. The question is do your children... and I'd say probably. It's worth treating.

I am treating DS with threelac and oxygen elements directly, whom I am breastfeeding (he is five months old). He has had explosive poos, like, totally maniacal poos since taking it! But digestive symptoms are a side effect. However, digestive symptoms are an effect of yeast in the gut. Either way, it will be upsetting the babie's colon, that's why I decided to treat directly.

You can use many different things to treat a baby, and even more things to treat yourself and your older child. I am an advocate of fast treatments, I don't like diet so much cos it is so slow. I do believe in diet for long term treatment and ongoing management, but as a front line yeast eradication, I don't believe it stands alone. It is necessary to eliminate sugar with all yeast treatments, to ten teaspoons a day. With threelac, they say that is all you need to do. With nystatin you must repopulate with probiotics. I also recommend avoidance of ALL vinegars and malt. If all those things don't bring change rather quickly, look into diet more, I can give more strict rules past the vinegar/sugar/malt rule if that is necessary. There are steps, and some like to jump to the strictest step first to get relief and then back peddle. If that is you, let me know and I'll tighten up your diet to fit a yeast killing program. Otherwise, eliminate the three big offenders, take a yeast killer and a probiotic. Give it two weeks to get rid of the worst of the die off. Then another two weeks to feel better. Although, if you are like us, you'll be better in a week, even though you are still having die off.

Yeast killers are:
Nystatin
Threelac
oxygen elements
oil of oregano

There are also herbs and garlic and whatnot. But I did all those and although I felt "something", nothing was like nystatin or threelac. Both my kids are detoxing on threelac right now, poor dd had bowel pain yesterday but that's because she doesn't drink enough water. So keep the kids hydrated to their tolerance level. Let them see that good food and water = relief. It can actually change their eating habits for life when they experience that synapse.

If die off is too severe, just slow it all down. Take a lesser dose of whichever killer you choose. Make a raspberry salad dressing for the older gal and entice her to gorge on green leafy veggies, like the various lettuces and bitters. Please soak all veg to be eaten raw in lugol's iodine first, or at least in some salt water or dilute hydrogen peroxide. Parasites can't be killed by washing alone, and we keep eating them on our raw food stuffs.

If you want to check up what is in threelac, you can find many pages online with it. There are some things potenially reactive to the allergic, such as lemon juice, and B vitamins. Nystatin is best bought in pure form, which I notice later in this thread can be bought from the UK aswell as Canada.

Gotta run again...
post #147 of 1043
Just wanted to throw out that oil of oregano is not the best idea for a breastfeeding mom. It's generally contraindicated in pg and breastfeeding. The latter mainly because it is a great way to reduce supply FAST.

Nystatin and threelac would be preferable in a nursing relationship if you're going to do it.
post #148 of 1043
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I've been out of this discussion for awhile but...


(bolding mine) Would you mind sharing where exactly? I've always wondered about online pharmacies etc. I am sure so many of them are fine but just have no way of knowing which ones. I'd consider that very valuable information! TIA
MotherWren,
I will look it up for you. It was a one time thing a long time ago and I couldn't begin to tell you. I do have it written in my book from that year. As soon as I can I will look it up.
post #149 of 1043
Yea, I agree. I was going to use OoO. But I decided against it for that very reason.

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Just wanted to throw out that oil of oregano is not the best idea for a breastfeeding mom. [...] The latter mainly because it is a great way to reduce supply FAST
post #150 of 1043
Thread Starter 
Aha! Good to know. I've been sniffing around it for a while now, heard it is very good. More sniffs show it is actually an excellent yeast killer. But I won't be able to use it if it messes with breastfeeding.
post #151 of 1043
Another question: what about the fact that a candida infection is at least partially if not solely dependent on biotin deficiency? Have you ever tried dealing with that and seeing if it helps to tip the scales?

Since biotin prevents the yeast from turning into the fungal form (the dangerous one) wouldn't that be a decent option for a nursing mother? It would stop the cycle and allow for the implementation of healthy flora without having to use a drug. Oleic acid does the same, so olive oil supplementation would help as well.
post #152 of 1043
Hi Calm,

Thanks for the info. I had heard about the OoO being suppressive to breastmilk so taht's out for me, although I might give it to my daughter.

I read the post about the "problem" with Threelac introducing a bad bacteria. I was wondering if you'd read that information and what you thought about it? Also, on the enzymestuff website she recommends an enzyme taken along with a yeast killer. I was wondering what your thoughts on that are? Finally, is OoO ok for a 1 yr old?

Thanks,

Carren

ETA: Will babe experience die off through me & him? Sort of a double whammy?
post #153 of 1043
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
er.

I read the post about the "problem" with Threelac introducing a bad bacteria. I was wondering if you'd read that information and what you thought about it? Also, on the enzymestuff website she recommends an enzyme taken along with a yeast killer. I was wondering what your thoughts on that are? Finally, is OoO ok for a 1 yr old?

Thanks,

Carren

ETA: Will babe experience die off through me & him? Sort of a double whammy?
Oh yes the baby will!!! I highly recommend the enzymes along with the yeast killing regimen.

Can you quote the post about threelac and the "bad bacteria?" From what I know about it it's not a bad bacteria, it's just not normally found in the human gut so it won't colonize. Essentially once you stop taking it it's gone and you need to follow up with some other strains. Very effective stuff though. I'm wondering if I missed something....
post #154 of 1043
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
MotherWren,
I will look it up for you. It was a one time thing a long time ago and I couldn't begin to tell you. I do have it written in my book from that year. As soon as I can I will look it up.
Oh thank you! Sorry didn't mean to make you work
post #155 of 1043
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
Can you quote the post about threelac and the "bad bacteria?" From what I know about it it's not a bad bacteria, it's just not normally found in the human gut so it won't colonize. Essentially once you stop taking it it's gone and you need to follow up with some other strains. Very effective stuff though. I'm wondering if I missed something....
This post wasn't addressed to me but I actually stopped taking Threelac when I was nursing because I just couldn't get 100% comfortable with it due to some things that I had read. This article has some of the "bad bacteria" info, if you scroll about half way down. Here's a quote from the article:
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The problem bacteria seems to be enterococcus faecalis and it is enough of a concern that the Australian Department of Health and Aging has labeled it a serious health hazard in Australia.
Basically the findings said this: Members of the meeting noted that a consultant (Natren) noted that this bacteria was not of low risk, due to its implication in transfer of antibiotic resistance in a hospital context. "Natren said that bacillus coagulans or lactobacillis sporogenes, bacillus laterosporus, enterococcus faecalis, and enterococcus faecium should not be permitted in therapeutic goods on safety grounds. Natren claims that E faecium and E faecalis are able to aquire antibiotic resistance and is a common opportunitistic pathogen in U.S. hospitals."
Natren was asked to provide scientific evidence to prove what they said but it appears they never did. The Australian government has issued health warnings concerning enterococcus faecalis, and enterococcus faecium. Since that meeting in 1998 the Australian Department of Health and Aging has approved new drugs in 2005 to combat infections caused by enterococcus faecalis. The Canadian government has listed enterococcus faecalis as a health hazard and infectious agent. They claim enterococcus faecalis is responsible for 9% of bacteremia infections, 16% of urinary tact infections, and 5 to 15% of bacterial endocarditis infections.
Here's a research article on Enterococcus faecalis. I am not great with dissecting research myself, but thought it might be of interest...
post #156 of 1043
Huh...I bet that's why they intro'd the oxygen....sadly though they aren't recommending that they ONLY be used together...

I have to dig more on this.
post #157 of 1043
Thanks Motherwren for digging up the citation.

So you think the threelac should be used only WITH the oxygen? What exactly is the oxygen? Who sells it?
post #158 of 1043
they sell it, and it's relatively new. If you go to buy threelac often it will pop up as a "package." They don't say that you should use them together for safety reasons. They push it as another product but that's about it.
post #159 of 1043
hi girls, i have been lurking on this thread, unable to grab a minute to identify myself but i've been hanging around this subforum for months now.
i have an 11 month old daughter with sensitivities through my bm to so many foods it's out of control. i now am limited to some veggies, some fruits, evoo, salt, pumpkin seeds and walnuts. she only eats bm, sweet potatoes, prunes and bananas. she was a c-sect, 1 dose of broad spectrum abx to me after the cord was clamped. we had blood incompatibility and i had 2 doses of rhogam, 1 before and 1 after birth. i also took bc pills for years and was off them a year before conceiving. dd had, unfortunately, vaccines through 6 mos on dr sears schedule.

i take:
pure encapsulations: multi, ca/mag, coq10, l-glutamine, ( i was taking quercetin but it's derived from legumes so i stopped)

digest gold during meals, i just ordered enzymedical virastop for between meals http://www.enzymedica.com/products/Virastop

i take 2 tsp kirkmans cow milk colostrum, casein free per day
http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...4_Spec804.html

i take 2 caps kirkmans lactobaccillus duo http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...llusduo90.html

i take twin labs clo, mint

dd gets a smidge of the probiotics right now, we're trying to work up since we've had a rough go in the past trying probiotics with her.

dd started gastrocrom 2+ weeks ago. we are sending both our urines for oat and both stools for yeast/parasites.

she gets epsom baths daily.

i am still having random, idiotic (i mean idiopathic) body rashes. dd and i seem to be over our random hives ( i also had angioedema , dd never did thank god) coming almost daily. she is not reacting to anything right now ( fingers crossed smiley) but her very mild reflux has progressed to pretty painful sounding and causing crying in her sleep. i dont want to treat it, because i've read so much about the harm we cause ourselves by treating acid reflux which winds up exacerbating the problem. let me know if you know differently, please! she seems to be more sensitive gradually with no end in sight.

i dont want to derail, but can anyone elaborate on the comment early on about l-glutamine being unsafe? i cant find info on that at all.
also, can anyone speak to the biotin question by firefaery? i would like to know more about biotin....

this is a great thread, greetings all. thank you for any insight you have to offer.
post #160 of 1043
L glutamine is an excitotoxin, and can cause restlessness but I do not personally feel that it is unsafe.

I agree with you on the reflux meds, have you tried any structural work to help with the reflux? If the diaphragm has gotten torqued due to the reflux then it's a vicious cycle. It can take very consistent work until the allergens are removed for her body to hold an adjustment. However it should minimize the severity of the reflux.

Structural things are also something to consider in the midst of the yeast killing. I said on the other thread that while it is possible to have yeast independent of anything else, it is rare. It is very important to treat the whole picture....and certain structural issues like tongue tie which is WILDLY underdiagnosed and leads almost inevitably to yeast overgrowth and food allergies should be looked at as well.

Yeast almost never occurs in isolation.
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