My research: CSS - c-section syndrome (causing allergies) - Page 2

[JaneS]

Lactose intolerance is gut flora pure and simple... lactobacillus makes the lactase enzyme in the small intestine. If you don't have this enzyme, you get gas and bloating from the indigested milk sugar.

[JaneS]

The only effective test for yeast is the organic acids, OAT test, on urine. It will measure the toxic by products produced by yeast. Stool testing is not necessarily accurate.

[Calm]

oregano oil is supposedly amazing. however my herbalist friend said it kills indiscriminantly. i haven't researched that yet. i have ordered some though. i will remain on a natural maintenance and an occasional bombing with something powerful will be on the agenda.

[Calm]

antibio syndrome would be more accurate - but i really want to target the pregnant and mothering women. too much unnecessary suffering in babies for my comfort.

on Dr Gordon's board i said "allergies can be healed" and the moderator said "we'll have to agree to disagree". this is the person that is doing all the advice giving on his board!

parents lose hope the way these issues are dealt with currently.

[ellasmama2007]

This is the second thread today that reminds me I need to read more about the details btw vaccines and gut flora.

jane, this isnt specifically what you were talking about but it is a pretty decent read on how closely related autism, adhd, allergies and asthma are. it basically says something to the affect that the body will take toxic insults in different ways. what may lead to autism in some will lead to allergies in another etc. it has some good breakdowns on all the benefits of the many useful supplements out there too. fyi
in terms of the current discussion. calm, you are very right. pregnant women need to be educated further. i had a c-section and i am hoping to possibly vbac if i am fortunate enough to conceive again.

[chantald]

So.. upping probiotics will lessen lactose intolerance?

We did gf/cf here for a while.. my youngest stopped eating and got very sick.. we wont' be doing that again..

[Calm]

what is gf/cf (it's early morning here... )

[mtn.mama]

glten free casein free...

[chantald]

any thoughts on if 1/4 tsp of powdered nystatin per day would effectivly treat yeast overgrowth? How long would it take?

[mtn.mama]

I don't know about nystatin dosages, but my chiro started me on Morinda Supreme a couple of weeks ago and it seems to be quite effective quickly.

[MoonWillow]

...just read the blog. I've had 2 c sections and major yeast overgrowth for years (untreated). My second babe has multiple serious food allergies and asthma

[Mirzam]

I am finding this so interesting. I had a c-sec with my oldest over 18 years ago now. She was born in Hong Kong and I did not get any antibiotics; she does not have, nor ever had, any allergies or sensitivities.

[Calm]

Chantald, check this link out for dosages: nystatin A quarter of a teaspoon is pretty high to start.

If you look through this science article, you'll see that dietary changes have the most (and most lasting) effect. Go to the right and download it as a pdf, so you can see the charts easily. Sugar in particular helps yeast grow 200 times faster. When making bread, you add sugar to yeast for just that reason. Avoiding yeast and yeast feeding substances is the bare minimum for lasting results. But for a quick blast of a gutful of yeastie beasties, yeah, nystatin will do it. But do replace the spaces they leave with good bacteria or candida will just fill those spaces again (lining the gut wall).

I'm going through die off now, and it sucks. Headaches, diarrhea, foggy head... be prepared for the yeast to release some horrendous crap into your system. Once you're experiencing it, you can see why austism and ADHD is caused by them, it really messes with your head.

I've paused the nystatin until I finish my Threelac and oxygen treatment.

[MoonWillow]

So is there a reputable place to buy Nystatin online?
I am taking Caprylic Acid and Pau D'arco at the moment but my diet has been a mess. Unfortunately I have a very difficult time getting a handle on that. I wonder if Nystatin is more potent.

[Calm]

Apparently some countries require a prescription and the States is one of them. You can get it online however, I think from Canada? And Paddock Labs is where the doctors get it when they use it.

I got a prescription easily (Aust also needs a prescption) but it isn't pure, it is the capsule so it has additives (which really irks me, why do they have to do that?). We can't get nystatin pure here it seems, I am going to see if my local pharm will import some from Paddock so I can get a prescription for the pure stuff. I believe you can get the pure stuff in the States though. No additives, hence why you take so little of it. It isn't absorbed, travels straight through so doctors are usually easily persuaded to let you have it without too much bruhaha about candida (they don't buy into the concept generally) because there have been no toxic side effects reported, and it isn't found in breast milk. It's quite safe.

I started on one capsule, equivalent of 500000 IU, and had some die off symptoms but nothing dramatic. After four days I took two capsules and sheesh, I hit the die off zone with that. Felt like crap. But wow what it did to my skin, it hasn't looked this good since I was a teenager. DS's skin is great too, except for his scalp but we're getting there.

So I believe nystatin knocks them out pretty fiercely, as it is an antibiotic (fungal one, not bacteria one, obviously). Although oregano oil has an outstanding reputation for yeast killing too. I still haven't checked if it is indiscriminant or if it only kills the bad guys.

The Threelac I'm on now gave me diarrhea but that's just a die off symptom also. I'm on it because it is one of the best probiotics you can get, 80% of the bacteria get into your gut as they are made in Japan and buffered to survive the stomach acid. As opposed to 2% that survives in standard probiotics. They are high acid producers and they wipe out the candida and repopulate the gut. All in one go. Candida turns the colon alkaline, and it is meant to be slightly acidic - a slight shift of the pH like that and like a swimming pool, the gut starts teeming with yuckness like a swamp. So I'm on this for a while to see how it goes. In a couple of weeks I might go crazy and do nystatin at the same time as Threelac! I'm impatient like that, I want it all over with.

[Calm]

I just looked this up: Paddock laboratories

[chantald]

Originally Posted by Calm

Chantald, check this link out for dosages: nystatin A quarter of a teaspoon is pretty high to start.

Interesting.. this is the standard starting dose per our Dr.. twice a day.. then 1/2 tsp 3 times a day working up to 4 times a day..FOR KIDS

Nasty stuff.. I put mine in capsuls.. poor little ones have to take is straight.. makes them gag.. (me too)

[MoonWillow]

Originally Posted by Calm

Apparently some countries require a prescription and the States is one of them. You can get it online however, I think from Canada? And Paddock Labs is where the doctors get it when they use it.

I got a prescription easily (Aust also needs a prescption) but it isn't pure, it is the capsule so it has additives (which really irks me, why do they have to do that?). We can't get nystatin pure here it seems, I am going to see if my local pharm will import some from Paddock so I can get a prescription for the pure stuff. I believe you can get the pure stuff in the States though. No additives, hence why you take so little of it. It isn't absorbed, travels straight through so doctors are usually easily persuaded to let you have it without too much bruhaha about candida (they don't buy into the concept generally) because there have been no toxic side effects reported, and it isn't found in breast milk. It's quite safe.

I started on one capsule, equivalent of 500000 IU, and had some die off symptoms but nothing dramatic. After four days I took two capsules and sheesh, I hit the die off zone with that. Felt like crap. But wow what it did to my skin, it hasn't looked this good since I was a teenager. DS's skin is great too, except for his scalp but we're getting there.

So I believe nystatin knocks them out pretty fiercely, as it is an antibiotic (fungal one, not bacteria one, obviously). Although oregano oil has an outstanding reputation for yeast killing too. I still haven't checked if it is indiscriminant or if it only kills the bad guys.

The Threelac I'm on now gave me diarrhea but that's just a die off symptom also. I'm on it because it is one of the best probiotics you can get, 80% of the bacteria get into your gut as they are made in Japan and buffered to survive the stomach acid. As opposed to 2% that survives in standard probiotics. They are high acid producers and they wipe out the candida and repopulate the gut. All in one go. Candida turns the colon alkaline, and it is meant to be slightly acidic - a slight shift of the pH like that and like a swimming pool, the gut starts teeming with yuckness like a swamp. So I'm on this for a while to see how it goes. In a couple of weeks I might go crazy and do nystatin at the same time as Threelac! I'm impatient like that, I want it all over with.

Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll pester my midwife for a script.

Originally Posted by Calm

I just looked this up: Paddock laboratories

Yup I saw that. Thank you for taking the time to link it
If only we could order straight from there! That'd rock.

[ASusan]

Back to your original thesis. A data point (DS and myself) for you:

DS has 4 known (RAST-tested) food allergies (wheat, egg, dairy, peanut) and a few environmental allergies (mold, cat hair, oak pollen). Primary sx is eczema.

DS inherited allergic tendencies from both DH and myself.

Fairly normal pregnancy. No abx. A few vaginal yeast infections, treated with garlic. Diet during pregnancy tended toward the Bradley diet (high protein, lots of dairy and pastured eggs) and a bit of Traditional Foods. (enough to eat bacon regularly and try to ferment some foods)

Vaginal birth, no drugs, no abx (that I'm aware of!). No vax.

My history (as relevant to your CSS/abx thesis): I took Cipro 15 years ago. Yeast infections, UTIs, illness all followed for years. I don't know that I ever recovered from it. Had some autoimmune issues (dx lupus) 5 years ago, but recovered with acupuncture. Gut *appeared* to be acting normally in the past 5 years.

I blame the Cipro (and DS inherited allergic tendencies). It's the only thing in my history that seems to stick out.

[Calm]

Wow, that is such a yeast pattern, Susan! Cystitis and lupus. Here's some info on lupus and yeast:

Autoimmune disease and yeast

So you say you have felt fine for 5 years. That's a good sign. Although it can behave, until it doesn't. You could try the spit test to check for candida. It's on my blog in August - progress