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post #61 of 1043
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Someone mentioned the possibility of an epidural also having abx added - is this a common thing?
I don't believe so.


Pat
post #62 of 1043
Calm could you address the candida? (and NAET)

And I'll chime in with water kefir advocacy: http://www.weim.net/homeovet/Docs/water%20kefir.pdf

Jane, want to chime in about CLO? I can never recall the latest, "Blue Ice" high vitamin CLO? with *natural* vit A, not palmitate, I think. (caution lead/mercury contaminants in some CLO

Firefaery, want to chime in about grain/gluten free options? And hit the homeopathy/energy alternatives for the allergies! We do classical homeopathy and it has significantly helped dh's allergies.

Jane, enzymes? I'm still trying to understand them.

Anyone have suggestions for whole food vitamin supplements without the latest *lead* concerns?


Pat
post #63 of 1043
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Calm could you address the candida? (and NAET)

And I'll chime in with water kefir advocacy: http://www.weim.net/homeovet/Docs/water%20kefir.pdf
Thank you for this! I am going to just start out with the starters from Body Ecology. I am feeling too "stupid" to go beyond that just yet. I hope to "graduate" to the better stuff down the road, once I get a handle on this kind of thing.

Jane
:yawning: :Mama to Erik (11) ASD:, Severe Dyslexia, Julie (8) asthma, eczema and Christopher 17 mo NT so far and unvaccinated :
post #64 of 1043
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

Jane, enzymes? I'm still trying to understand them.


Pat
nak

i'm not Jane (though she's so awesome I wish I was) but the "enzymes for autism" book by karen defelice is excellent. Don't be fooled by the title, it's really all about enzymes.
post #65 of 1043
thanks for the kefir link. I have some dried kefir crystals I need to resconstitute & I lost the directions.
post #66 of 1043
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I don't think everyone's issues are due to yeast overgrowth. But I sure as sh!t know when I see someone with yeast overgrowth.
How do you know? I don't have any of the classic red flags but I have had two babies who were extremely sensitive. Neither have any dx IgE allergies (yet) but are clearly sensitive to something. Despite months of an elmination diet & taking CLO, glutamine & probiotics (for me) & probiotics & clo for my son, he still has mucousy, green poops, occassional blood, and sleeps horribly. Also, we've started trying a few solids & they always come out undigested.

I'm wondering if we could have a yeast issue. It's one thing I haven't addressed.

Jane - are the yeast enzymes safe while breastfeeding? Safe to give to a 1 year old?
post #67 of 1043
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Jane (rominick), have you tried nystatin? If you take a look at this pdf (you can read the article as it is, but I recommend opening it as a pdf via the right hand menu so you can see the tables and results easier):
Effectiveness of nystatin in polysymptomatic patients. A randomized, double-blind trial with nystatin versus placebo in general practice

I don't think that link is working, try it this way:

http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/cgi.../full/18/3/258

Also, the diet I recommend isn't the typical one on some levels. The BIG no no's on the diet I follow are:
No malt and malt derivatives (eg, barley malt in cereals, maltodextrin, etc)
No vinegar (including ketchup and other things with vinegar)
no dairy or gluten

That's the first step. If there is no improvement with the nystatin and those changes, you take it a step further. Just one taste of vinegar or malt however, can bring symptoms back.

I have tweaked all that to include probiotics. Even if they haven't worked in the past, I recommend you try them WITH nystatin. The reason is because:

a. only 2% of most probiotics survive the digestive process to make it to the colon;

b. those that do survive go straight through because they have nowhere to stick to - the bowel wall is covered in yeast!

So you can take probiotics till the cows come home to no avail, until you wipe that bowel wall clean of yeast.

Don't bother too much with acidophilus, although it has its uses and will clear out clostridia, it lives in harmony with candida. A good lactobacillus or other bacillus will acidify the colon and stick happily to the wall and doesn't like candida.

I recommend threelac as a probiotic. It has three specially chosen bacteria that kill yeast, one is like a tornado and passes straight out, doesn't stick. But it really does a great job of killing yeast. The other two colonise. It is a Japanese product that has encased the bacteria in a protective shell of vitamins and stuff. 80% of Threelac makes it to the colon. They say Threelac alone can be taken without changes to the diet. I wouldn't recommend it, although for the lazy of us, it's a good choice for that reason.

Like I always say, probiotics are pointless if you haven't stripped the intestines of the bad guys. Then those probiotics will stick. If you can't afford Threelac (most expensive probiotic I've found), then nystatin with your own probiotic does a better job anyway.

Mammo, re the strawberry, it would depend on if it is real strawberry or not, and if the reaction is worth the benefit. Sore and bleeding gums can also be low iron and some other things.

As the cells in the gut are turned over every 12 hours, gut healing should occur in 24 hours, esp with the use of L-glutamine. In other words, any "leaks" should be puttied over fairly quickly. I noticed this in my son, overnight his skin cleared completely when I hammered the yeast in his gut. I figure it is because the bowel wall sealed (no yeast clawing at it anymore) and therefore aggravating proteins no longer seeped through.

In children, I believe curing the infection is more important than anything else. It's kind of like a bacterial infection - we don't put off taking the hard core treatment in favour or dealing instead with the symptoms of the infection. We instead take antibiotics if necessary, or at least hit their little systems with whatever it takes to remove the offending infection first, and then we treat symptoms and bring the body back to health. If your little'ns have a yeast infection it should be the priority - kill it off with a yeast antibiotic or with the appropriate treatment of your choice.

Always take nystatin with antibiotics, so that you kill both the yeast and bacteria and your gut stands a chance of recolonising in a balanced way again.
post #68 of 1043
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Jane, want to chime in about CLO? I can never recall the latest, "Blue Ice" high vitamin CLO? with *natural* vit A, not palmitate, I think. (caution lead/mercury contaminants in some CLO...

Anyone have suggestions for whole food vitamin supplements without the latest *lead* concerns?
Yes, the only CLO's I know and rec is Radiant Life, Blue Ice or the budget version Twinlab (which has half the A & D so need to have organ meats in diet or other good source of these vits, or just take more). Twinlab can be had at IHerb.com for $5 bottle.

We pick and choose our whole food source vits: the CLO, some from www.drrons.com like liver for B complex and zinc, and acerola or amla powder for vit. C, kelp power for iodine. Otherwise we depend on food. What is latest lead concern?
post #69 of 1043
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Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache View Post
nak

i'm not Jane (though she's so awesome I wish I was) but the "enzymes for autism" book by karen defelice is excellent. Don't be fooled by the title, it's really all about enzymes.
OH your own self is pretty great too

Pat,
Karen DeFelice's website is very good esp the page on Yeast/Bacteria www.enzymestuff.com and her recent book "Enzymes for Digestive Health and Nutritional Wealth" is a bit more comprehensive. She also has a Yahoo group you can scan.

I would encourage anyone to try enzymes before trying yeast killers, they are so gentle and very effective IME.
post #70 of 1043
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Jane - are the yeast enzymes safe while breastfeeding? Safe to give to a 1 year old?
Yes while bf'ing. Liz Lipski of Digestive Wellness says digestive enzymes are safe for babies but I don't think she specifically addressed for yeast killing purposes. I would imagine that the only concern would be a reaction to the specific ingredients? And not giving too much to overwhelm the body with exotoxins from die off. Perhaps DeFelice has addressed in her Yahoo group? or you can post a question there too.

When I had thrush while bf'ing, Candex knocked it down in 2 days. I keep reading new messages on that big huge thrush thread and get so frustrated no one seems to be trying them.
post #71 of 1043
How long should I plan on taking Threelac? Ds is sensitive to citrus, but DH and I decided that it is work the small exposure to help kill the yeast that we are both suffering from. But, I would not want to use it for more than a couple of weeks, because of his sensitivity. We have been struggling with this for almost 2 1/2 years, with new allergies adding as time goes on. We need to fix this.

So while taking Threelac, I don't need to take another probiotic?? When I am done with Threelac should I go back to my own probiotic (haven't really found one that works very well.)

Should I take Threelac and Nystatin at the same time?

I want to find enzymes that meet our needs and restrictions. Should I wait to start taking them until after doing Threelac?

Calm, how long do you think the strict diet is necessary? A few weeks or longer? I use vinegar in our diet a lot because we can't have citrus or tomatoes - but I can avoid it.

I think I have more questions, but need to research some more.


eta: just read JaneS response about enzymes. I think we will get them right away while we plan our strategic attack, which maybe we won't have to do.
post #72 of 1043
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When I had thrush while bf'ing, Candex knocked it down in 2 days. I keep reading new messages on that big huge thrush thread and get so frustrated no one seems to be trying them.
I hear that.

I also like enzymes, which apparently break down the yeast shell effectively. I take them separately and they are in my oxygen elements. I take them sometimes to help digestion and sometimes between meals for the yeast factor.
post #73 of 1043
Thread Starter 
Cross post. I'm just cooking at the mo, and taking quick reads so I'll come back.
post #74 of 1043
Do you think there is harm in taking Candex if it turns out yeast isn't a problem? I have no idea but I think its worth a try.
post #75 of 1043
I can't think why it would. Bad bacteria and viral issues are also in the gut flora mix, so I would think of all of them as being a problem and transition to proteases too after a while. I can't imagine that only yeast would be a problem? I think one of my major issues was viral, I had mono as a college student. Viruses live amongst flora too and resurface from time to time. When I did proteases and then olive leaf extract it really helped me.

It was just by chance that I tried OLE. It was after I had a wisdom tooth out and our holistic dentist px'd it (and enzymes too, love him!) ... and after a week of that I was like, wow I feel fantastic!
post #76 of 1043
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
Yes, the only CLO's I know and rec is Radiant Life, Blue Ice or the budget version Twinlab (which has half the A & D so need to have organ meats in diet or other good source of these vits, or just take more). Twinlab can be had at IHerb.com for $5 bottle.

We pick and choose our whole food source vits: the CLO, some from www.drrons.com like liver for B complex and zinc, and acerola or amla powder for vit. C, kelp power for iodine. Otherwise we depend on food. What is latest lead concern?
What about Garden of Life CLO? It's listed on the Weston Price site.
post #77 of 1043
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Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo View Post
How long should I plan on taking Threelac? Ds is sensitive to citrus, but DH and I decided that it is work the small exposure to help kill the yeast that we are both suffering from. But, I would not want to use it for more than a couple of weeks, because of his sensitivity. We have been struggling with this for almost 2 1/2 years, with new allergies adding as time goes on. We need to fix this.

So while taking Threelac, I don't need to take another probiotic?? When I am done with Threelac should I go back to my own probiotic (haven't really found one that works very well.)

Should I take Threelac and Nystatin at the same time?

I want to find enzymes that meet our needs and restrictions. Should I wait to start taking them until after doing Threelac?

Calm, how long do you think the strict diet is necessary? A few weeks or longer? I use vinegar in our diet a lot because we can't have citrus or tomatoes - but I can avoid it.

I think I have more questions, but need to research some more.


eta: just read JaneS response about enzymes. I think we will get them right away while we plan our strategic attack, which maybe we won't have to do.
I'd suggest avoiding totally, all malt and vinegar for a week and see if you get improvement. Maltodextrin is in so much, and barley malt is what our kids eat for breakfast each day! What a way to kick start those yeasty chemicals messing with our babes each morning. Malt was designed to feed yeast in beer, nothing feeds them better than malt. No wonder they fall asleep at school. Get off those things altogether and see if that alone gives improvement.

I think it is an individual thing, how much of a diet and how long on it. Some people get all their symptoms return, of itchy skin, migraines, you name it, if they have some vinegar or malt. Some can return happily to normal eating (not that vinegar and malt are found naturally, not the way companies are making some products!) and get no effects. You'll have to experiment. It also will depend on the strength of your immune system. Take the yeasty burden off it, and the parasites too if possible, and it will usually then be able to keep the rest in check regardless of what you eat within reason.

But I also think the big whammo diets are overkill. They are also hard to maintain, so only rarely does someone stick to it long enough to see results. Each person is different and we should all start off slowly to find what level gives us relief. Malt and vinegar is a good place to start, and for some autistic kids, this is enough to see profound change for instance. But then some of us need to go a few steps further, AND kill the yeast, AND install new bacteria (probiotics) before we can relax symptom free.
post #78 of 1043
Thread Starter 
Forgot... you *can* take nystatin and threelac at the same time. But WOWZA, you'll get serious die off! I'd do it, but I'm into *extreme* health experimenting. I'm like the skydiver of the naturopathic set. And yes, take another probiotic at the same time if you can afford it. We have many MANY different strains of bacteria in us, the more the merrier.
post #79 of 1043
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What about Garden of Life CLO? It's listed on the Weston Price site.
Vitamin D is too low IMO for gut healing. Most people are D deficient even if they are getting "enough" sun.
post #80 of 1043
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What is latest lead concern?
Thanks for the info.

Just when you thought things were alright, the FDA throws another wrench in the chain! They have found LEAD in vitamins, of all places!!!!

Are You Being Exposed?
<http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/lead-vitamins-08\
2803?src=nl&mag=tdg&list=dgr&kw=ist
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