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post #81 of 271
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Canid ~ I think you're right. It doesn't look like O anymore. You could put that discarded temp back in, too, since it's not relevant anymore.

Welcome to all the new people.
post #82 of 271
Thanks for the welcome Ladies!

I bought and read TCOYF last week and am really impressed with the book. I knew it would be great though with all of the recommendations!

I have been on the pill for a little over six years so I am preparing myself for a delay in the return of my fertility. Luckily, I had a very regular cycle before I went on the pill so hopefully my body remembers what to do!
post #83 of 271
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OtherMother'n'Madre ~ I just remembered that you are using Ovusoft. I can understand why you'd want to use your regular time regardless of when you actually took your temp because, otherwise, the software discards the temp. You can undo that, though. All you have to do is go back and uncheck the disturbance box and the temp will stay without the X over it. That's what I do. One thing I like about FF is that you don't have to designate a time. It will figure out the most usual time for you. It's always re-evaluating it, too.


Ahh yeah I was doing that after DD1 so I was only using fertilityfriend at the time. I was able to go in keep it the same time every day though since I can get up a run around the block and my temp. is the same as if I had been laying down. I imagine it wouldn't work otherwise. I have always had to designate a time with ff though. It's been awhile since I used it correctly though so that may be why.
post #84 of 271
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remember though that temp is only needed to confirm ovulation. if you're at the very start of your cycle or 3 or so days past a confirmed ovulation your temp isn't really relevant.
I know this is supposed to be true but I cannot help but think it's crazy every time I see that! Marinewife is a perfect example. She temped until she got an o date plus a couple extra and then stopped. After a longer than normal lp she started temping again only to get a new o date! Maybe it's just my newness to it all but that just doesn't seem "safe" (especially with CTA) considering it could have been a fluke and an o date can change on you. Am I the only one who thinks like that?
post #85 of 271
I am pretty religious with temping. I have an alarm set and temp at the same time every day. The only time I discard a temp is if I got a really bad nights sleep and knew I was up more then sleep. I have PCOS though so tracking CM is very hard. I can only rely on temps imo.
post #86 of 271
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I know this is supposed to be true but I cannot help but think it's crazy every time I see that! Marinewife is a perfect example. She temped until she got an o date plus a couple extra and then stopped. After a longer than normal lp she started temping again only to get a new o date! Maybe it's just my newness to it all but that just doesn't seem "safe" (especially with CTA) considering it could have been a fluke and an o date can change on you. Am I the only one who thinks like that?
I've been charting for years and that is the first time anything like that has ever happened to me. I really think it's because of the medication I started the night before that first temp shift. For the first 2 weeks of being on the meds I felt like I was on speed during the day although it helped me sleep better at night. Now that my body is used to it and I don't feel like that anymore my temps seemed to have normalized a bit. The pre-O temps are still a bit higher than usual for me. This is also my first PP cycle and I'm still breastfeeding a lot so my hormones are probably still a little wacky.

Anyway, I guess my point is that I think normally you can rely on 3-4 high temps to confirm O and then stop temping if you know your cycles are pretty regular or at least that your temps are pretty consistent and there aren't any other reasons for the raised temps. I do think you should temp each full cycle for at least the first 3 cycles that you chart. I also don't temp during AF because my O is usually so late that temps during that time are irrelevant.

Canid ~ With PCOS I can understand why you can't rely on cm to know when you are Oing. (At any given time for any woman, though, cm only tells you if you are potentially fertile so no one can rely on cm alone to confirm O.) However, couldn't you rely on a dry up of cm along with a thermal shift to confirm O? Even if you have weeks and weeks of ewcm, once you O it should dry up, right?
post #87 of 271
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Canid ~ With PCOS I can understand why you can't rely on cm to know when you are Oing. (At any given time for any woman, though, cm only tells you if you are potentially fertile so no one can rely on cm alone to confirm O.) However, couldn't you rely on a dry up of cm along with a thermal shift to confirm O? Even if you have weeks and weeks of ewcm, once you O it should dry up, right?
It depends on the cycle. Sometimes I go to a creamy CM and sometimes it goes sticky. Sometimes it is EWCM for 7 days post O. I haven’t really detected a pattern that is reliable yet. I rely on temps more then CM because every cycle so far (before pregnancy and my last one) has a very clear thermal shift. Sometimes I think I should stop charting CM because it is more confusing then helpful Plus, I am not as great at checking CM. I tend to forget or just not record it if I don't know what it is. I never get dry days at anytime during my cycle either.

Speaking of CM…I have a question that is TMI. So some days I get big globs of CM that is opaque but really slippery like EWCM but it does not stretch at all. So, it’s slippery and has the texture of EWCM but it is white and non stretchy. What do you put this under? It’s not sticky.
post #88 of 271
CanidFL, I call taht type of CM creamy. If you also chart vaginal sensation, it would probably fall under lubricative


MarineWife - I agree that I don't see ovulation. I know you said what kind of medicine you started taking, but I can't find it. a lot of things you wouldn't imagine would impact your fertility signs can, so I'm sure your new med has something to do with the elevated temps. my reference books are still packed, so I can't check, but I can ask a CCLI teacher I know to look it up if you want.

angelxxrose, welcome to the thread and charting. I was also on hormonal birth control for over six years and did not have any delay in my fertility returning, so be prepared! I fully expected to not ovulate for months, but my first cycle was short and I ovulated early. Your fertility signs might be hard to follow at first, as your body gets back into the groove of things.
post #89 of 271
Thanks for all the advie mamas
post #90 of 271
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It depends on the cycle. Sometimes I go to a creamy CM and sometimes it goes sticky. Sometimes it is EWCM for 7 days post O. I haven’t really detected a pattern that is reliable yet. I rely on temps more then CM because every cycle so far (before pregnancy and my last one) has a very clear thermal shift. Sometimes I think I should stop charting CM because it is more confusing then helpful Plus, I am not as great at checking CM. I tend to forget or just not record it if I don't know what it is. I never get dry days at anytime during my cycle either.
Oh, I see. That is confusing, especially with ewcm for so many days after a thermal shift.

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Speaking of CM…I have a question that is TMI. So some days I get big globs of CM that is opaque but really slippery like EWCM but it does not stretch at all. So, it’s slippery and has the texture of EWCM but it is white and non stretchy. What do you put this under? It’s not sticky.
I just read about this in TCOYF. Apparently, ewcm does not have to be stretchy. It can also be whitish. So, based on the feeling you've described and that you said it's a glob, I'd go with ewcm. It's safer to assume more fertile rather than less fertile cm.

texaspeach ~ I'm taking Zoloft, 50 mg. I did some searching myself and only found one questionable reference that said Zoloft could elevate body temperature. Nothing about basal temp, of course. TCOYF says it can cause CM to dry up but nothing about temp. I asked my therapist but she doesn't know anything about the effects of Zoloft on body temp or menstrual cycles. That would be really nice if you'd check on it for me. Thanks.
post #91 of 271
So I'm having a hard time with temp times. I work p/t at a coffee shop that opens at 4:30 in the morning. I don't always open, and before I went to work, I would temp at 7am. Now I'm taking my temperature anywhere from 4am to whenever I wake up on days that I'm not opening. I use TCOYF software and it usually adjusts my temp, but since its set for 7 am, it just marks my 4 am temps as "disturbance". I've been really bad about even taking my temperature this week, so I know my chart isn't even consistent right now.

Does anyone else have a problem like this? How do you deal with it?
post #92 of 271
I lie. I have a young nursling and I temp when I temp. I don't notice a huge difference, so if I temp at say 5 am, I'll say it was 6:30 (still okay by all the software). If I temp at 8am I'll say it was 7:15 or something. (those very rarely happen back to back, but you get the idea)
post #93 of 271
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Originally Posted by OtherMother'n'Madre View Post
I know this is supposed to be true but I cannot help but think it's crazy every time I see that! Marinewife is a perfect example. She temped until she got an o date plus a couple extra and then stopped. After a longer than normal lp she started temping again only to get a new o date! Maybe it's just my newness to it all but that just doesn't seem "safe" (especially with CTA) considering it could have been a fluke and an o date can change on you. Am I the only one who thinks like that?
personally, i agree with you and temp my entire cycle. however, after you've been charting for a long time and providing you have very regular cycles you can take temping shortcuts if you want. they're outlined in TCOYF.

be aware also, that charting software can't be relied on completely. you have to make sure you interpret your chart yourself and don't just blindly believe the O date you get from the software, it's been wrong many many times.

oh, and for who ever mentioned just being recently off the pill, i just wanted to second what texaspeach said. i was on BC for almost five years and my fertility came back immediately. i ovulated on day 15 of my first cycle off the pill and had a shorter than normal for me but still sustainable LP, make sure you're very careful those first few cycles charting.
post #94 of 271
I also think that for those of us nursing (and for those with PCOS) things aren't as clear when you ovulate as they would be without baby. (In hind site I know mine were... like cm) I used to have CLASSIC cm, but not now. I assume it will get better once DS is nursing less or weaned.
post #95 of 271
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Does anyone else have a problem like this? How do you deal with it?
I'm not able to be consistent with my waking times. I put my temps and times in as they are. I'm usually able to clearly see my thermal shift, anyway. I could load several of my old charts onto my FF homepage so you could see. (Don't pay attention to my current chart, too many extenuating circumstances.) Having one or two adjusted temps is not a big deal but having lots will make your chart not just inaccurate but also not true, a fake chart so to speak. In Ovusoft, after you enter data and it marks it as a disturbance you can go back and uncheck it and it will leave the temp in as it is. Ideally, what you should do is set your alarm for 4 am to take your temp every morning and just go back to sleep on the days you don't have to go to work.

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Originally Posted by akaisha
be aware also, that charting software can't be relied on completely. you have to make sure you interpret your chart yourself and don't just blindly believe the O date you get from the software, it's been wrong many many times.
ITA. When I was ttc and would go to the chat room on FF it would drive me crazy when someone on there didn't have a clue about charting and was just leaving everything up to the software, getting incorrect O days and wondering why she wasn't pregnant yet.
post #96 of 271
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Hmmm ok two temp. dips with this morning's going way below my coverline and no sign of af. I just checked internally as well and nothing at the tip. I hate the wait of the first pp af.
Hee hee: I'm SO with you right now! I hate not knowing, still all night nursing, funky schedule, re-remembering all the rules and all the WAITING! DD is almost 1 now... I'll wait with you!
post #97 of 271
Blahdy blah. I do not think I o'd. Ovusoft doesn't want to change my chart info (I don't like the idea of overriding it for some reason ) and FF agrees it might not have happened when it did but it just moved it up a day and changed my crosshairs to dotted lines. Ovusoft keeps bugging me to test. What do you all think? I'm inclined to think that if it happened at all it wasn't until the 7th.
post #98 of 271
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Blahdy blah. I do not think I o'd. Ovusoft doesn't want to change my chart info (I don't like the idea of overriding it for some reason ) and FF agrees it might not have happened when it did but it just moved it up a day and changed my crosshairs to dotted lines. Ovusoft keeps bugging me to test. What do you all think? I'm inclined to think that if it happened at all it wasn't until the 7th.
Your temps sure look like O to me. However, you did say that not all the times are consistent. Have you tried having Ovusoft adjust your off time temps just to see if that changes anything? I'd have to test but I'm a poasaholic.
post #99 of 271
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Originally Posted by OtherMother'n'Madre View Post
Blahdy blah. I do not think I o'd. Ovusoft doesn't want to change my chart info (I don't like the idea of overriding it for some reason ) and FF agrees it might not have happened when it did but it just moved it up a day and changed my crosshairs to dotted lines. Ovusoft keeps bugging me to test. What do you all think? I'm inclined to think that if it happened at all it wasn't until the 7th.
I would have thought the 25th but if you don't have AF yet then I don't think you have O'd yet.

Indiemamma - I agree with marinewife. Set your alarm for 4am and chart at that time. Go back to sleep if you don't have to work that day. It would help to get a very genle alarm that does not fully awake you but enough so you can hear it and remember to temp. It's much easier to go back to sleep after a gently beep then an obnoxiously loud alarm.
post #100 of 271
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
Your temps sure look like O to me. However, you did say that not all the times are consistent. Have you tried having Ovusoft adjust your off time temps just to see if that changes anything? I'd have to test but I'm a poasaholic.
I have it set to adjust already. i'm pretty consistent. My random times was after dd1. This is for dd2. I think I'll test.
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