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post #21 of 33
I don't think you're over reacting at all! I wouldn't even want my 4 yr old to have juice. Everyone has their own comfort levels. Orange juice is only given here if its fresh and someone is sick. And even then, he's going to have to get older for me to be okay with that.

I would simply ask them to stop. Soda is expensive. Surely they could provide milk or chocolate milk or something else. I'm sorry I don't really have any advice, just wanted to say I don't think you're over reacting!
post #22 of 33
I restict even juice from dd and she doesn't seem resentfull when her cousins get multiple juice boxes back to back and she just gets one. I won't give my dd coke/soda.
post #23 of 33
it is something I would try to change for everyone but I also wouldn't make my kids refrain. It is just a small cup once a week. Our church has "coffee" hour folowing every service and there is always all kinds of mess. I do limit how much my kids eat of it but I never tell them no. i think the fellowship is important . I would rather they learn to graciously accept hospitality than to avoid a little sugar.
post #24 of 33
I'd think that any kid offered juice would be fine. But then again I'd think any kid offered water would be fine too. maybe lemonade? I'm having a hard time imagining anyone being offended at you suggesting the volunteers provide healthier snacks. I mean they are there to nourish their souls right? No reason to poison their bodies in the mean time.

You know better than we do what kind of reception any suggestions from a parent will get. But you never know what the reaction will be unless you ask.

The worst that could happen is nothing changes, right?
post #25 of 33
i would not let dd have soda weekly.

i think that my dh saying it reminded him of feeling resentful as a child would make me have a serious conversation with HIM about teaching our kids the better lesson in life- which is sometimes going against the group is a GOOD thing.

Im not a huge fan of letting dd do whatever her friends are. It costs me playdates, but its the price you pay for being different...
post #26 of 33
I am stunned! speechless, actually! my children (4 & 8) are simply not allowed to have soda, and I don't know how old they will have to be before I change my mind. (hopefully, I'll give up the soda habit this year) (yes, it may seem hypocritical that I drink soda, but i also drink wine & beer, and my kids can't have those either) They are allowed very limited juice and dessert, but it's the soda that really bothers me the most. Thankfully, they haven't questioned my authority on this subject.

I don't think that children are capable of making good food choices until they are much older, and it is up to us, as their parents not to confuse their brains/taste buds with the bad stuff. I want them to grow up with natural cravings for food that is good for them. I personally will reach for a glass of water and a carrot stick first before chocolate. My mother raised me to appreciate "real" food, and I'll do the same. (so far, so good)

But I digressed ... no way in the world would I consider that type of snack to be acceptable for a group of preschoolers, I don't care what *their* parents think is ok, it is *not* ok to pump them full of terrible food on a regular basis. (once a week is TOO much) And the fact that this is a church setting disturbs me even more. Find the program director and figure out a way to provide better food. There is no reason in the world that those kids need anything but water to drink - I'll let the sugar cereal or occasional donuts get by, but the drink bothers me the most.

My MIL offered my dd a diet coke before she was 2, and I totally flipped out. Not only was the soda a horrible idea, but the aspartame is appalling to me. She still tries to give my children bad foods, but thankfully, my dh agrees that soda is off-limits. And, even better, my dd would NEVER drink it without asking me first!

--janis
post #27 of 33
I would be okay with the treat. However, I would not be okay with soda at all. I am surprised more moms at your church aren't concerned about this.
post #28 of 33
First, let me respond to your husband's objections to you speaking out. I would have to respectfully disagree with him, that is if *all* children are being offered the water or whatever instead of the soda.

I grew up in a NFL/AP household. My parents fed us all-natural food, always healthy, pretty whole foods. I do remember the discomfort of coming to school with big fat slices of made-at-home-by-my-dad whole wheat bread and all natural peanut butter and a light touch of the healthiest possible jam, the whole thing wrapped in wax paper and placed in a reuseable cloth lunch bag. The rest of the kids had paper sacks, and inside that, plastic ziploc bags that contained things like peanut butter and super-sugary jelly on thin factory-standard white bread.

We were vegetarian. In those days, so few folks were, and being a vegetarian kid invited all kind of rude responses from your peers and adults alike. It also meant I wasn't "omnivore literate." For example, one day I saw on the school lunch menu that there was going to be cheeseburgers the next day. Burgers made out of cheese! Alright, something I can have! I went home and begged my mom not to pack me a lunch for school. I asked for lunch money instead. She had no idea why, but I was so insistent that she finally relented. I went into the lunchroom finally like so many of the other kids, waiting in line not just to buy my milk, but to actually buy a lunch. Cheeseburgers! I was so thrilled. Until I got up to the counter and a burger was placed on my bun. A HAMBURGER! Then I was offered cheese. I was mortified. "I am a vegetarian" my seven year old self murmured to the cranky, unempthatic lunch lady who actually rolled her eyes, scooped the hamburger off my bun (leaving drippings behind) and said, "Fine, there you go."

"I thought today was cheeseburger day" I barely got out. "Yes," she said, in an irritated and hurried tone. "There is the burger. There is the cheese. CHEESE-BUUUUUURRRRGGGERRR. Okay?"

"What should I put on this?" I said, very shaken up and sure that my hunger wouldn't be satisfied by the bun alone. "You can put some cheese on it," she said, pointing over to processed American cheese that even *I*, not just my parents, found disgusting. I put some cheese on the bun that didn't have drippings. Finally a little sympathetic looking down at me with my bun and cheese, the lunch lady quickly added I could get pickles and ketchup and mayonnaise at the next counter. So I had a disgusting cheese-covered piece of white bun with pickles, mayo and ketchup.

I still remember that with a twinge of pain.

Anyway, my point is this. Though there were plenty of times when it was hard to be different, my young years passed quickly and soon I was able to make my own decisions (only so much a parent can do to control what their 10-15 year old eats, for example). I went off on the wrong track for a while, but because I had a solid foundation, I was able to eventually return to healthy ways with eagerness. So looking back, I am not unhappy my parents made the decisions they did. I am just thankful. I know my body was treated properly in my early years.

The big key factor is that changes aren't made for one specific child, but for all the kids. Or that it is done in a low key way, so that all children are given a cup without necessarily knowing what is in the other kids cups (assuming they are sitting down, they probably won't see). When I was diagnosed with type I diabetes as a young child, even my all-natural, low sugar family had to make a few changes because back in those days, the insulin was very basic and diet was a much bigger factor in successful treatment than it is now. But not all members of the family were willing to make changes, and it was hard for me to be a dietary odd man out. I still have issues with this.

On the other hand, I work with lots of kids who have things like gluten and dairy allergies. These are big allergies than impact not just the obvious foods, but often other foods folks don't even think of. Many of the kids I know of who had these allergies have adapted well to the notion that everyone eats something a little different. But that said, I still think the best standard for any program with children is to serve something all the kids can have. If I know I have kids with gluten allergies, I am not going to serve crackers and cheese as snack and give the kid with the allergy some substitute. No, I'll bring gluten free crackers for everyone. Or serve fruit or (no sugar added) applesauce or something else that has no gluten. Then, we also don't have to worry about what comes in contact with what either. I take a similar approach with dietary prefences among families, of which my own family has plenty.

I guess I have a clarifying question, just to make sure I understand you.

1. Are you referring to a snack given to all children in a religious education class as a part of the class's activities?

-OR-

2. Are you referring to foods offered to children after classes or services?


I work in a family/faith development ministry. Here are my observations:

1. In terms of snacks for classes, it can take some focused effort and if "those in charge" don't agree with the concern, some unity among enough parents to change what is served but it is possible.

As one of "those in charge," when I have transitioned churches to healthier snacks for classes, occassionally I have run into some resistance. Usually, however, it is about slightly older kids who don't want to give up their tradition of chips and soda or doughnuts and fruit punch. Sometimes, it is the younger kids who are into the cookies and stuff, but they adapt. They really do. It's the parents who cling to the junk food tradition because they know their kids like it that have the hardest time adapting.

I think the easiest way to address this is not through the volunteers, but through the staff person in charge if there is one. This person may be able to purchase healthier snacks to have available so volunteers aren't as likely to bring in their own junky snacks, as a pp mentioned. Or perhaps this person would be able to gently talk to the volunteers about some semi-healthier alternatives (no-sugar added applesauce cups and water or a small amount of juice, pretzels and juice, fresh fruit, whatever). Or the staff person might be able to help initiate a rotating snack-duty assignment list with your support, so a different set of parents bring in snack each week. The staff person can set limits, specify acceptable types of snacks, and make some suggestions on the sign up sheets. With the staff person's blessing, you could probably even just initiate the sign up effort on your own with the motto that it is a way to support the volunteer teachers and take one more thing off their plate. That kind of thing is almost always appreciated!

2. The issue gets tougher if these are snacks provided after the worship or classes, during some kind of community/fellowship time. In a lot of instances, the provision of the snacks is somewhat amorphis. It can be hard to nail down "who is in charge" (rarely is there a staff person managing this end of congregational life, and in many cases the volunteers who are in charge are in charge on a periodic or rotating basis). Sometimes there are weird political things that go on with these things. For example, snacks may be provided specifically for the children in an effort to be more "child friendly," and then any mention that those snacks aren't in fact really child friendly feels hurtful to those folks who felt they already changed their ways for the children once.

I think in those instances, even if you can't volunteer to bring in snacks every week, just bringing them in once a month, for example, might be a way to start up a conversation by getting folks thinking about what is being served.
post #29 of 33
I think there's middle ground too, and at 4 it depends on the child but I would consult with him too. Like... you could bring your own snack 3 times a month, but the 4th time, he could have the pop.
post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by jrabbit View Post
My MIL offered my dd a diet coke before she was 2, and I totally flipped out. Not only was the soda a horrible idea, but the aspartame is appalling to me. She still tries to give my children bad foods, but thankfully, my dh agrees that soda is off-limits. And, even better, my dd would NEVER drink it without asking me first!

--janis
my mom & stepdad did this.

they really, honestly, truly, without a doubt believe WHOLE HEARTEDLY that these things are FINE to give to babies/toddlers/preschoolers, etc.

i have fought them, sent them links in emails, read them things. they will have none of it.


they think its great fun, part of childhood.

they would be the people protesting.

i think this is such a difficult thing.... changing others.

nak
post #31 of 33
I would not be okay with soda and my child knows better than to drink it. If there is any nutritional value to the food whatsoever, I'd let it go. I'm much more relaxed with what N eats than I am about what he drinks.
post #32 of 33
I think it's appalling that any program for young children would serve soda. Ack. No way would I allow my kids to have it. Maybe you could help get the menu changed for the benefit of all the children.
post #33 of 33
I don't think you are being OTT not wanting them to eat junk and have Soda, I would not want that either. Why don't you try talking to the other parents and see if any of them feel the same way, then maybe you could approach the teachers together and agree on a healthy alternative for the children to have.
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