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post #21 of 34
Just have to say a huge THANK YOU to Pam, Lennon and Stacia for helping to educate me (well, all of us, really) on this issue. As a student midwife I really appreciate your opinions, and as a birthing mother I appreciate your awesome knowledge.
post #22 of 34
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Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital View Post
Just have to say a huge THANK YOU to Pam, Lennon and Stacia for helping to educate me (well, all of us, really) on this issue. As a student midwife I really appreciate your opinions, and as a birthing mother I appreciate your awesome knowledge.
: I earned a new brain wrinkle today!
post #23 of 34
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Well it is nice to here that mec isnt a big deal!

However - I am not wondering about why a baby would take a breath in utero?...If they were starved of oxygen and that was their last resort?...But why would they be starved of oxygen?...would this not be picked up on?

If mec was pressent when the waters went...would having a water birth really help?
post #24 of 34
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Well it is nice to here that mec isnt a big deal!

However - I am not wondering about why a baby would take a breath in utero?...If they were starved of oxygen and that was their last resort?...But why would they be starved of oxygen?...would this not be picked up on?

If mec was pressent when the waters went...would having a water birth really help?
All babies practice breathing in utero- it is one of the signs of positive fetal activity in utero when a biophysical profile is done. Part of the process of transitioning after birth is working all the fluid out of the lungs- including whatever was in the fluid.
post #25 of 34
NOt all episodes of hypoxia occur during labor--it is possible for there to be periods of distress during late pregnancy. For instance, if the baby and cord got into a tangle, w/baby's body compressing the cord. these episodes can resolve successfully w/in a few or several moments, but if the baby becomes oxygen starved s/he may gasp/try to breathe during that episode.

This is a theory, as is all else posed here...we can only theorize about what happens in utero, especially things that happen when no one is listening/watching.
post #26 of 34
this is a great thread. i had a recent conversation w/ my MW about this and i am so happy that she has taken teh stance that many here have taken re: the presence of meconium. there is soo much misinformation out there its amazing.
post #27 of 34
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NOt all episodes of hypoxia occur during labor--it is possible for there to be periods of distress during late pregnancy. For instance, if the baby and cord got into a tangle, w/baby's body compressing the cord. these episodes can resolve successfully w/in a few or several moments, but if the baby becomes oxygen starved s/he may gasp/try to breathe during that episode.
Yes -- I have reason to believe that one of the babies I cared for passed meconium during an external version for breech.
post #28 of 34
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All babies practice breathing in utero- it is one of the signs of positive fetal activity in utero when a biophysical profile is done. Part of the process of transitioning after birth is working all the fluid out of the lungs- including whatever was in the fluid.
Practicing breathing in utero (making breathing movements) is NOT the same as aspirating mec in utero. If that were the case, all babies with mec stained fluid would aspirate it, as all (healthy, term) babies make breathing movements in utero....but they aren't really breathing.
post #29 of 34
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Practicing breathing in utero (making breathing movements) is NOT the same as aspirating mec in utero. If that were the case, all babies with mec stained fluid would aspirate it, as all (healthy, term) babies make breathing movements in utero....but they aren't really breathing.
I was curious about this so I looked it up... all babies draw amniotic fluid into their lungs in utero through pressure/breathing movements. Those who undergo significant periods of hypoxia have been shown to draw more significant amounts of fluid, thus increasing the risk of MAS. Here are a couple of abstracts if anyone else is interested:

Changes in lung liquid dynamics induced by prolonged fetal hypoxemia.Hooper SB, Harding R.
Department of Physiology, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, Australia.

Our aim was to determine the effect of prolonged fetal hypoxemia, induced by reduced maternal uterine blood flow (RUBF), on fetal lung liquid secretion, flow, and volume. In chronically catheterized fetal sheep, lung liquid volume (VL) and the secretion rate of lung liquid (Vs) were measured before and after a 24-h period of either RUBF or normoxemia. Tracheal fluid flow and the incidence of fetal breathing movements (FBM) were measured before, during, and after the 24-h period. In normoxic control fetuses Vs was not significantly altered. After 24 h of RUBF, Vs was significantly (P less than 0.005) reduced compared with pre-RUBF values. During 24 h of RUBF the incidence of FBM declined initially but returned to control values after 12-16 h. In seven of eight fetuses, over the 12- to 24-h period of RUBF, large amounts of liquid (22.7-62.6 ml) were drawn into the lungs during FBM, resulting in a net movement of amniotic fluid into the lungs. During the 18- to 24-h period of RUBF, changes in the incidence of FBM were found to be significantly and positively correlated (r = 0.86, P less than 0.005) with the changes in VL that occurred over the 24-h period. Thus, prolonged RUBF can result in the inhalation of large volumes of amniotic fluid by the fetus, which could be a cause of in utero meconium aspiration.


Photogrammetry of fetal breathing movements during the third trimester of pregnancy: observations in normal and abnormal pregnancies.Florido J, Padilla MC, Soto V, Camacho A, Moscoso G, Navarrete L.
Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Granada University, Granada, Spain.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate parameters of fetal breathing movements-displacement of the fetal abdominal wall during inspiration and expiration, time of inspiration and expiration and speed of inspiration and expiration-between 30 and 36 weeks' gestation in normal pregnancies, and in those complicated by gestational diabetes or maternal hypertension. METHODS: Three categories of pregnancy were investigated: 49 were normal, 16 had pregnancy-induced diabetes and 10 were hypertensive. According to their gestational age, the patients were divided into two groups: Group A between 30 and 32 weeks' gestation and Group B between 33 and 36 weeks. Using photogrammetry and a computer-operated algorithm, six parameters of fetal breathing movements were investigated. RESULTS: There were significant differences in the various fetal parameters measured among the three categories of pregnant women. Up until 32 weeks of gestation, the displacements during inspiration and expiration were larger, the speeds of inspiration and expiration were higher, and the times for inspiration and expiration were shorter in the diabetic and hypertensive groups than in the normal group. In the later period, between 33 and 36 weeks, fetuses of pregnancy-induced diabetic patients showed the lowest inspiration and expiration times and the highest speeds of inspiration and expiration. CONCLUSIONS: Photogrammetry in conjunction with a computer-operated algorithm can be used to assess fetal breathing movements. There are significant differences in fetal breathing movements between normal pregnancies and those that are complicated by gestational diabetes or hypertension. Copyright (c) 2008 ISUOG. Published by John Wiley & Sons, Ltd
post #30 of 34
Yes, all babies do have some fluid in their lungs until their circulation changes to that of extrauterine humans, and they begin to breath. But, what I meant to say was that the simple act of normal breathing movements isn't what causes mec aspiration. Meconium aspiration is usually a result of a hypoxic episode prenatally or in labor (which is the real problem); it isn't the cause of baby's problems.
post #31 of 34
So does suctioning ever help with a baby that has aspirated meconium and is not vigorous? Can it help prevent MAS?
post #32 of 34
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So does suctioning ever help with a baby that has aspirated meconium and is not vigorous? Can it help prevent MAS?
No, not according to recent research.
post #33 of 34
Wow - this is an awesome thread. I have a question related to my personal experience. My first baby aspirated thick meconium during birth (or I guess in utero) and was rushed to the NICU in respiratory distress. The neonatologist told us 48 hours later that our son was close to death. He came out fine after a long stay in the NICU and is now a healthy 3 year old.

A couple of things stick out in my mind, though. They broke my water during my induction (an awful pitocin induction) and saw the meconium, which sent everyone scrambling. They had a huge team in the delivery room when my son was born because of the "danger." When my son came out, he cried and screamed and they let me hold him for maybe 15 seconds before they took him away. But he was looking at me, breathing, etc. Now, does that sound like a baby with severe respiratory distress? I always believed the story, but after reading this thread I am starting to wonder if he was as bad off as they said.

Sorry to hijack the thread - but I had to ask.

As a side note, my second baby was born at home and there was meconium in my water, but the midwife didn't even blink. No biggie.
post #34 of 34
Thank you Lennon. : Sorry to pick on you so much and ask so many questions. I was rather astonished at the lack of info available in my textbook.
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