phimosis after circumcision - help! - Page 2

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

How it will be fixed is the Dr will either A) recirc cutting more skin off in which case that will result in the possible complication of him not having enough skin for a erection when he is older B) the Dr will take a metal instrument and forcibly seperate what is left of the foreskin from the glans and you then willl have to keep retracting it and keeping it coated in something to prevent it reattaching.

Neither of those options are very appealing at all.

He migh only cut a tiny bit more off but then you still risk the to much gone or it reattaching yet again like it has this time.

We had a poster who's son went in for the circ and the dad changed his mind after the foreskin and glans had already been seperated. He grabed his son and ran. His ds though not cut on has since healed and has no complications suggesting that he wont retract naturally on his own later on down the road.

Unless your ds cannot pee it should be left alone. Period.

[Fi.]

Not to sound like a b**ch (because that's not my intent of tone at ALL) but of COURSE it's swollen - it's a healing wound. Ever have a cut that swoll up (and maybe itched a little) while it was healing? I know I have and that was just on my arm. This was the turning of an internal organ to an external one. Swelling is not irrational at all.

Adhesions happen in about 71% of cut males, they usually release on their own, sometimes they won't. However unless it's adhered AT THE SCAR LINE (which does NOT sound like what you're describing at all) that can't be known or fixed right now. Tearing the adhesions can and usually WILL cause scarring (which will lead to him losing even more penile sensation) and possibly re-adhesions that could lead to skin bridging.

The links have already been posted for you, cirp and circumstitions have more, I was hoping to just give you a more down straight forward point of view.

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

We had a poster who's son went in for the circ and the dad changed his mind after the foreskin and glans had already been seperated. He grabed his son and ran. His ds though not cut on has since healed and has no complications suggesting that he wont retract naturally on his own later on down the road.

I remember him! Father_of_Blake right?

He's a hero!!!:

[dinahx]

it truly is just upsetting to us *for* your son. If we could get on our hands and knees and beg you to not let them touch your DS's penis with a knife every one of us would do it. So please know that the harshness came from a good place, even if it felt terrible to read. The fact that you're still seeing the dr that did the surgery and that you're going to a urologist recommended by this person makes us think that the advice you're getting is extremely biased.

Yes, you said it better than I could!

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

it truly is just upsetting to us *for* your son. If we could get on our hands and knees and beg you to not let them touch your DS's penis with a knife every one of us would do it. So please know that the harshness came from a good place, even if it felt terrible to read. The fact that you're still seeing the dr that did the surgery and that you're going to a urologist recommended by this person makes us think that the advice you're getting is extremely biased.

: you need to get as far away from the dr who did the circ and find another urologist who isnt affiliated with the Dr. for another opinion. This dr who did the circ on your son will do everything in her power to make herself look good because there is no way she is going to admite she screwed up big time (doing the circ at all in the first place)

There are Dr's out there who actually know something about the penis but they can be hard to find.

[MCKH]

Please get as many opinions as you need to find someone who supports leaving the poor baby alone and who will work with you to keep an eye on things without setting up another surgery! You say your baby is happy - he is no longer in pain. He can pee. That is all his penis is supposed to be doing right now, so leave it be. Do not let some culturally-biased man who profits from circumcision talk you into further cutting your son's penis!

[DocsNemesis]

Please contact DOC. Even if they cant refer you to a good urologist (they referred me to one as well as several foreskin friendly peds, but I live in the same area as they do so I'm not sure how many resources they'd have in your area), they can still provide you with medical info saying exactly what we have and give you a recommendation. These ARE doctors, most practicing, so I cant see their info as being something your dh or child's doc can ignore.

You are right, my ds is intact so I have no first hand experience in this, just what I've read and seen. However, my friend has circ'd her 3 boys and I see them/change them often. One of her boys has a LOT of foreskin left (so much for making them all look the same right? heh) and it readheared just as you have described. Her ped also told her to just leave it alone and that it would retract on its own over time. Again, as long as he can pee, its normal, his body is just doing what its supposed to and trying to heal. Its a good thing!

I know you feel like people are putting you down and whatnot but most, if not all, are simply trying to help you and arnt trying to make you feel bad. Whats done is done, its just no one wants even more damage done if it can be avoided, you know? I wont lie, I almost had my first son circ'd (he was spared because my insurance didnt cover it and I'm cheap ) and if I had, I can safely say I would have been thrilled if he'd been left with that much foreskin after I found out what I did about it. You have a lucky little guy, even if it doesnt seem like it yet. I'll see if my dh has any links on what is going on with your dude-and again, please contact DOC.

[Yulia_R]

http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/...il.cfm?id=3420

A recent study in the Journal of Urology followed 254 circumcised boys to see what happened to their penile adhesions. Only seven patients had been treated for adhesions. Despite this, the prevalence of adhesions decreased dramatically with age to:

71% of boys age ‹12 months
28% of boys ages 1-5 years old
8% of boys ages 5-9
2% ages 9-18

[whimsymom]

Thank you for all the help. I have talked with someone at nocirc and got the number for a doctor. I left a message, but haven't actually talked to him. I do feel much more informed now and more comfortable insisting that we leave it alone. I do wish I had taken the time to learn this much before he was cut in the first place.

To those of you who feel bad for my son, thank you and please do believe that I do feel horrible that he has gone through this. It hurts so much because I do care about him and feel the responsibility and guilt of having let it happen. I dread what further complications may be ahead and I want to do everything I can to minimize the damage.

[carriebft]

I'm so glad they were able to help. please let us know how the appointment goes, how your son is doing and how you feel about the doctor they recommended

[father_of_blake]

We wish you the best of luck with your son.

[whimsymom]

Originally Posted by father_of_blake

We wish you the best of luck with your son.

Thanks. I just read your story. It sounds so much like what we went through until the part where you ran. I insisted that my husband go with my son to comfort him. He did and still doesn't think it was a big deal. I guess maybe the anesthesia they used worked well or our poor son just has a high tolerance for pain. I know he wanted what was best for his son & still does.

[father_of_blake]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

We had a poster who's son went in for the circ and the dad changed his mind after the foreskin and glans had already been seperated. He grabed his son and ran. His ds though not cut on has since healed and has no complications suggesting that he wont retract naturally on his own later on down the road.

Unless your ds cannot pee it should be left alone. Period.

How will I know this has happen? I'm not worried if he never retracts because I know thats fine as long as he is peeing. But I guess I won't know if any real damage has been done until my son retracts himself to see if the object they use for breaking the foreskin's bond has damaged his frenulum, right?

[tlh]

Originally Posted by father_of_blake

How will I know this has happen? I'm not worried if he never retracts because I know thats fine as long as he is peeing. But I guess I won't know if any real damage has been done until my son retracts himself to see if the object they use for breaking the foreskin's bond has damaged his frenulum, right?

I don't think it is the frenulum that you have to worry about but the whole foreskin.The only thing that could happen as far as I know is that too much scarring has happened because of breaking the adhesions and you probably won't know if that has happened until your son is a teenager or starts to masturbate and he says something is wrong which I doubt he will do.So you are going to have to tell him what happened to him and ask if he can fully and easily retract by the time he is 16-20 yrs.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

: Make sure to talk to him about it when he is old enough. So that he wont be one who ends up circed as a adult due to "problems" You wont know until he starts the retraction process and see if it releases all the way around. There is a possiblity that a spot or 2 might turn into skin bridges but that will be a easy enough fix with a shot of local and possibly a stitch. Maybe even just stretching and no cutting if he really works at it.

[A&A]

Originally Posted by alegna

As long as he can pee- LEAVE IT ALONE.



-Angela

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[A&A]

Originally Posted by whimsymom

If you have never had your children circumcised, how can you know that this will resolve itself and not cause further complications?

Why ask the question if you aren't going to trust the answers you get?

No, you can't undo the past. But two negatives do NOT make a positive. Don't cut your son again.

[A&A]

Originally Posted by whimsymom

Thanks. I just read your story. It sounds so much like what we went through until the part where you ran. I insisted that my husband go with my son to comfort him. He did and still doesn't think it was a big deal. I guess maybe the anesthesia they used worked well or our poor son just has a high tolerance for pain. I know he wanted what was best for his son & still does.

Some babies pass out from the shock. It looks like they are asleep.

[Tinijocaro]

My two intact boys had nothing more than a pinhole to pee through. It's completely normal. Don't let your doctor tell you there is a problem. Your son's penis is just trying to heal and if you leave it alone, it will begin to dettach from the head just as the uncut foreskin does. It could be a couple years, or it could be 12 years, as it was for my older son.

Originally Posted by whimsymom

My son was circumcised when he was 2 weeks old. I did not want to have it done, but it was important to my husband. I now really regret letting it happen.

My son is 5 weeks old and his foreskin is growing over the penis. The doctor who did the circumcision had never seen this happen before. She first prescribed antibiotics because it looked a little swollen and she wanted to be sure there wasn't an infection. We went back yesterday for a follow up and it's only gotten worse. The opening is now down to only the size of a pin, but he can still pee. The doctor had talked with a pediatric urologist who recommended a steroid cream. We are now using the cream and are going to see the urologist Monday. If the cream isn't working, they will have to do surgery to fix it

Obviously, I'm really wishing we hadn't done the circumcision at all, but I would like to find out as much as I can so we can make an informed decision on how to treat it now and I can't find anything. Has anyone experienced this or heard of it happening? I did find one article that indicates this occurred in 2.9% of the circumcisions done at one particular clinic over 5 years:
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...22534705636129
If it is this common, I can't figure out why there isn't more information. I would appreciate any help or personal experience.

[whimsymom]

Originally Posted by A&A

Why ask the question if you aren't going to trust the answers you get?

I think I need to clarify why I asked that questions. First, of all I only intended this question to the posts that were screaming at me not to cut my son, but not giving me any reasons to back up that advice. Second, I didn't mean that I intended not to take any of the advice given here because it was coming from people whose sons weren't circumcised. I was just asking for more info to back up the answers. I was sure you all have a set of knowledge & resources that led you to your conclusions and I wanted that information. I don't know you, so unless you give me more than just your opinion, it doesn't make any sense for me to blindly accept that anymore than I want to blindly accept what the doctors tell me. I already made a really bad decision based on well intended, but incomplete & wrong information. If I didn't want an alternative to having my son cut again, why would I have chosen this forum for advice? Most of you seem to understand that and have given me a lot of help. I feel much more educated on what is happening with my son now and many of my fears about letting it be have been eased. I'm not writing this toward any of you, just to the few who seem determined that I'm somehow out to hurt my son. If you hope to persuade more parents to leave their sons intact, I think you will be much more successful approaching them from the perspective that they do care about their sons & provide them the information to make the right choice.