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post #1 of 42
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having been a big user of these #7 bottles (during two pregnancies and during breast feeding too), i found this information eye-opening and alarming. this was in the most recent issue of sierra magazine...our just arrived, actually.

this whole article should be online soon (as of this morning, oct 28th, the new issues isn't online yet). "Hazards of Hydration - Choose your plastic water bottles carefully."by Frances Cerra WhittelseySierra Magazine, Nov/Dec 2003, p. 16, 18

basically, an accident during a study produced startling results in mice. the original study was regarding birth defects in mice...miscarriages and birth defects, which often result from aneuploidy, the loss or gain of chromosomes. the mice cages (which we made of plastic) were washed with harsh chemicals, and the number of chromosomal abnormalities, went from only 1 to 2 percent to 40 percent.

the researchers figured out the cause was bisphenol-A (BPA), a chemical that mimics the hormone estrogen. the harsh chemical washing leached the chemical from the polycarbonate mouse cages after the washing.

For years, scientists have been finding that endocrine disrupters ;ole BPA can impair the reproductive organs of rats and mice, reduce sperm counts in rats, and bring about changes in tissue that resemble early-stage breast cancer, among other effects. But Nune International, maker of Nalgene bottles, maintains that its products are "safe for use with human consumables". cutes other research that found no dangerous leaching; and points to a 2002 study in which rats fed a diet containing BPA at h levels higher than those in Hunt's laboratory suffered no apparent reproductive or developmental effects.

regular wear and tear, and washing with strong detergents and/or in a dishwasher will leach the chemical. we hand wash ours (no dishwasher!), but i'm still going to stop using those for now...


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Most at risk, says Colborn, are people with developing endocrine systems: pregnant women and newborns, followed by young children, and women who might get pregnant. Hunt says that if she had an infant, she would switch to polypropylene (#5 PP)<, which is not known to leach harmful substances. (Other plastics that are not known to leach are #2 HDPE and #4 LDPE. "Single use" plastics made of polyethylene terephthalate [#1 PET or PETE] are not recommended for repeat use; one study found that they may break down and release the suspected carcinogen DEHA.).

- For more information see "Plastics for Kitchen Use" www.thegreenguide.com
post #2 of 42
Oh my. I knew about the re-using the bottled water bottles from the Mayo Clinic but I can't believe this. you are so dedicated to type this up for us.

I have one Lexan and was bummed when the lid melted in the dishwasher a couple years ago.
Maybe that was convenient.

and I just bought the replaceable lid a few weeks ago
and I do like the Lexan cuz it is so neat but I only got one cuz they are spendier than the ones I found on Ebay for about $2.00 each. I actually was thinking of selling all my white ones and trying to find a deal on the Lexan ones cuz they are fun. But now I will keep the white ones. If you want info on white ones for $2.00 let me know.

Thanks Autumn, even though they will probably say the #2 HDPE is bad too five years from now. I don't know why they take so long to get this info out. I wanna be like Smeta and carry a glass bottle but I know I would break it.

And I do know we need to be careful of sippy cups and kids toys etc.
post #3 of 42
Darn!

I guess it's time to retire the nalgene bottle.

We've been using a stainless steel mug as a sippy cup for boo, that's still safe isnt it? (please please please say yes!)
post #4 of 42
Please post this in ttc forum too, or I will with your permission. Thank you for this post!
post #5 of 42
that is fine

autumn told me to post it
elsewhere

that is a great idea

but remember some of the nalgenes are okay
post #6 of 42
thanks
post #7 of 42

here's the direct link....

to the GG article

maybe I should sub to GG....

edited to fix link
post #8 of 42
The link didn't work.
post #9 of 42
Does anyone know about rubbermaid sport bottles and litter-less juice boxes? The lid is #5, but the actual container is unmarked. Any ideas?

What about re-using sour cream and margarine tubs? I do this ALL the time! DD's dishes are usually reused applesauce cups.


I can't believe, Avent and Evenflo baby bottles (what do you think my frozen breastmilk is in!) yikes!
post #10 of 42
Pam_and_Abigail, check out the chart halfway down this page, it tells which plastics to avoid and what to look for.

http://www.thegreenguide.com/reports...ml?id=44&sec=3

I think i'm going to try to phase out all plastic food containers, the more i read about this issue, the more studies show that it's just not the best choice. Some of the plastics that the GG say are okay to use, i have a problem with using because those plastics make things taste plasticky. I'm thinking if food tastes like plastic that it cant be good for me.
post #11 of 42
I posted on this thread in another section......


Im really confused about the type of plastic that is safe to reuse.

what about sippy cups>? Nalgene bottles?
post #12 of 42
Thread Starter 
check the numbers. according to the sierra article, the grey or colored nalgenes are #7, the kind that leaches BPA.

the white nalgenes are #2 or #4 and sippy cups are usually #2 or #5 - all safe according to the article.
post #13 of 42
In the chart in the article they also mention some brands of sippy cups and baby bottles, including avent, evenflo and gerber (cups).
post #14 of 42
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Does anyone know about rubbermaid sport bottles and litter-less juice boxes? The lid is #5, but the actual container is unmarked. Any ideas?
I just looked at my rubbermaid bottle and it's #5.


What a bummer. There are chemicals everywhere.
post #15 of 42
Well, that really sucks.

We have white nalgene and all of the colored ones that are so popular now.

Now, how about those cheapie Ziploc, etc. containers they're selling now as reusable?

How about reusing plastic ziploc bags?

post #16 of 42
So -# 2,4 & 5 are OK???

Need clarifying.

Thanks
post #17 of 42
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So -# 2,4 & 5 are OK???
That is my understanding from the article. I think it is that there is no evidence according to this particular study that there are bad chemicals released from these plastics from general use. Pretty vague: But I imagine they are a safer bet than the #1 an #7, if you cannot convert completely to glass, or metal containers.
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post #19 of 42
yall know the bottles they sell in hsfs! New Enviro Wave? I thought those were safe! b/c they didn't leach, dioxin, I think. I have had them for quite a while now. I googled and they are made of polycarbonate! So, what I thought was a safe choice, and I also bought a five gal during the hurricane, really isn't!
post #20 of 42
Hmm... I was wondering though, didn't the #7 only leach when cleaned with harsh cleaners? Not sure if I'm misunderstanding or what.

The harshest cleaners in my house are Tide and borax! I would only wash them out with fresh water if it was the gallon size since no one drinks directly from it. The personal size I would wash with Dawn.

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