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post #21 of 78
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Originally Posted by avengingophelia View Post
I think people often want female dogs b/c they think males will be more aggressive.
That makes sense, especially since these are rottie mixes.

My in-laws had a purebred rottie female. She was the most loving, gentle dog. She would play tug-of-war with dh and drag him all over the yard, but when dd (who was 4 or 5) was on the other end of the toy, Mollie (the dog, not the dd ) would barely even pull.

She also thought she was a lap dog, which was quite humorous.
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
yes!!! that is next! (and the dad too who is a stray who hangs around) for now she is in the house/backyard.
Just a word of caution: unspayed females should never be allowed unsupervised in the yard. One leash, or inside, especially when they're in heat. Male dogs can come from miles around, and will be resourceful in terms of getting to the female - climbing/jumping fences, digging under fences, chewing through fences.

And as for the female herself, she too can be desperate to get bred when the time is right, and even if you think she will listen or is an obedient dog, when she is wanting to be bred she will walk right past you if she thinks there is a male waiting for her. So even if you're "right there", I would not let her off leash outside of your house until she is fixed.

That said, the puppies you have are a dime a dozen in shelters and it comes as no surprise to me that no one wants them, even as puppies. That breed combo pretty much makes up the majority of shelter dog populations, and no shelter who is already at capacity is going to willingly take on more when they are struggling to find homes for the ones they already have. You basically have two options - be responsible for the puppies and find them good homes no matter how long it takes, or surrender them anonymously by either leaving them in a crate in the wee hours of the morning or putting them in the night drop kennels if your shelter has one (usually your county animal control will have that option, not the humane society).

But I have to be honest, I think the latter is a really poor choice in terms of what's best for the pups. You have the advantage now of screening the homes and making sure they get adopted out to good people. I know people who have cruised the AC's night drop kennels looking for pups and dogs because they either can't afford to adopt, or would not be approved otherwise, so you are taking a risk by doing that. And sadly, those dogs and puppies are the ones that get used as bate in fighting rings. They often have no chips or tags or other means of identifying them, and the people acquiring them don't have to be on file with the county. So surrendering the pups anonymously is a HUGE risk. And if that's the only feasible option for you, I would seriously think about having the pups humanely euthanized.

Going to walmart and giving away free puppies just to have them gone is not going to be better for them in long run then ensuring they can never suffer pain and neglect by humanely euthanizing them. As a breeder, either intentionally or unintentionally, you have a responsibility to these dogs for their entire lives. If you can't meet those responsibilities or find a person/organization who will do it for you, then it's time to think of other humane options. I'm not of the belief that finding any home for a dog, even if given away for free at walmart, is better then being humanely euthanized. I know that will make me unpopular, but I've seen the life dogs live when they are handed out like free balloons. They often end up in the shelter eventually, having been through 3 or 4 irresponsible homes, and are so chalked full of problems and bad habits that they become even harder to adopt. They either sit there and take up space in a no kill shelter preventing other adoptable dogs from being taken in (thus decreasing turn over) or they eventually get humanely euthanized anyway. The chances of these puppies finding good responsible homes from being given away at walmart is very, very slim. They will get snatched up by people who think they're cute and are totally ill prepared for a puppy. Those homes are usually not forever homes.

As a long time shelter/rescue volunteer, I just KNOW the fate of these puppies will be poor if they are not responsibly adopted out by you personally. I also want you to know that the honorable thing to do is not necessarily to just give them away and get rid of them. You do have other options that in the long run will be better off for the dogs, and any dog professional will understand that.

Ans just a word of advice for dealing with the shelters (either county or private), is go in and talk to them in person. Take the puppies with you. Ask to speak with the actual adoption coordinator. Seldom is anything dealt with over the phone, they simply don't have time to deal with all the "what'-ifs" that call. So many people don't show up after committing to bringing dogs in, that it's just too much of a waste of time to prepare for new arrivals after talking to strangers over the phone. You have a much better chance at surrendering them if you go in person.
post #23 of 78
North, you said a mouthful, and I applaud you for acting as an advocate for these puppies.

I'll come and sit by you on the unpopular bench.
post #24 of 78
Thread Starter 
I get what your saying,but the reality is they need to be gone in 2 weeks. I am doing everything I can but I will be unable to care for them after that. So the pound will be the only option at that point.. Maybe I will call back and lie about the breed to the humane society (only 3 look like rotties) I am keeping one of the puppies too..(it is going with us out of state) I don't know about any more though!

if anyone is in albaqurque/tulsa/indanapolis,/rochester areas and wants a free puppy PM me!

I think you get fined for dumping animals here (even at the humane society) I don't think we have drop boxes but I'll check.

as for the mom, I totally know all about the boy dogs...ugh..she has not gone into heat yet thankfully but she needs to get fixed ASAP. hoping my vet will do a 2 for 1 deal...(he does that sometimes)

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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
Just a word of caution: unspayed females should never be allowed unsupervised in the yard. One leash, or inside, especially when they're in heat. Male dogs can come from miles around, and will be resourceful in terms of getting to the female - climbing/jumping fences, digging under fences, chewing through fences.

And as for the female herself, she too can be desperate to get bred when the time is right, and even if you think she will listen or is an obedient dog, when she is wanting to be bred she will walk right past you if she thinks there is a male waiting for her. So even if you're "right there", I would not let her off leash outside of your house until she is fixed.

That said, the puppies you have are a dime a dozen in shelters and it comes as no surprise to me that no one wants them, even as puppies. That breed combo pretty much makes up the majority of shelter dog populations, and no shelter who is already at capacity is going to willingly take on more when they are struggling to find homes for the ones they already have. You basically have two options - be responsible for the puppies and find them good homes no matter how long it takes, or surrender them anonymously by either leaving them in a crate in the wee hours of the morning or putting them in the night drop kennels if your shelter has one (usually your county animal control will have that option, not the humane society).

But I have to be honest, I think the latter is a really poor choice in terms of what's best for the pups. You have the advantage now of screening the homes and making sure they get adopted out to good people. I know people who have cruised the AC's night drop kennels looking for pups and dogs because they either can't afford to adopt, or would not be approved otherwise, so you are taking a risk by doing that. And sadly, those dogs and puppies are the ones that get used as bate in fighting rings. They often have no chips or tags or other means of identifying them, and the people acquiring them don't have to be on file with the county. So surrendering the pups anonymously is a HUGE risk. And if that's the only feasible option for you, I would seriously think about having the pups humanely euthanized.

Going to walmart and giving away free puppies just to have them gone is not going to be better for them in long run then ensuring they can never suffer pain and neglect by humanely euthanizing them. As a breeder, either intentionally or unintentionally, you have a responsibility to these dogs for their entire lives. If you can't meet those responsibilities or find a person/organization who will do it for you, then it's time to think of other humane options. I'm not of the belief that finding any home for a dog, even if given away for free at walmart, is better then being humanely euthanized. I know that will make me unpopular, but I've seen the life dogs live when they are handed out like free balloons. They often end up in the shelter eventually, having been through 3 or 4 irresponsible homes, and are so chalked full of problems and bad habits that they become even harder to adopt. They either sit there and take up space in a no kill shelter preventing other adoptable dogs from being taken in (thus decreasing turn over) or they eventually get humanely euthanized anyway. The chances of these puppies finding good responsible homes from being given away at walmart is very, very slim. They will get snatched up by people who think they're cute and are totally ill prepared for a puppy. Those homes are usually not forever homes.

As a long time shelter/rescue volunteer, I just KNOW the fate of these puppies will be poor if they are not responsibly adopted out by you personally. I also want you to know that the honorable thing to do is not necessarily to just give them away and get rid of them. You do have other options that in the long run will be better off for the dogs, and any dog professional will understand that.

Ans just a word of advice for dealing with the shelters (either county or private), is go in and talk to them in person. Take the puppies with you. Ask to speak with the actual adoption coordinator. Seldom is anything dealt with over the phone, they simply don't have time to deal with all the "what'-ifs" that call. So many people don't show up after committing to bringing dogs in, that it's just too much of a waste of time to prepare for new arrivals after talking to strangers over the phone. You have a much better chance at surrendering them if you go in person.
post #25 of 78
Thread Starter 
btw I didn't come to this thread for a lecture. the fact is the puppies are here. I have been trying since ealry, JUNE to find homes for them and am leaving in 2 weeks. at this point I am thinking euthansia is the humane choice I have spoke with the pound 3 times about it in fact, but I will continue to try to find homes until I have no choice but to surrender them. yes and even at the walmart. (I will be selective as best as I can, if it matters). I feel awful for them everyday knowing their days are probably numbered.
post #26 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
um no, that's not me. they are pups my own dog had.

they are rottwielers and lab mixes (only 2 look like rotties, the rest are white and black.
these dogs are your responsiblity. get out there and find good homes for these pups.
post #27 of 78
Given this situation, I think you've been lectured fairly minimally on this thread.
post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
btw I didn't come to this thread for a lecture.
Well, you asked for input and that's what you got. Take what works for you, leave the rest, and hopefully someone who needs to read this thread BEFORE there are puppies will benefit from the wisdom others have shared here.
post #29 of 78
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vegiemum View Post
these dogs are your responsiblity. get out there and find good homes for these pups.
did you even read the thread?
post #30 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
btw I didn't come to this thread for a lecture. the fact is the puppies are here. I have been trying since ealry, JUNE to find homes for them and am leaving in 2 weeks. at this point I am thinking euthansia is the humane choice I have spoke with the pound 3 times about it in fact, but I will continue to try to find homes until I have no choice but to surrender them. yes and even at the walmart. (I will be selective as best as I can, if it matters). I feel awful for them everyday knowing their days are probably numbered.
I'm not trying to lecture you, nor do I think my post was worded that way. Clearly you are sensitive to this issue. My only goal is to help those puppies, not belittle you. You said you wanted help, and I spent 25 minutes typing out some information that had not yet been shared in this thread that I thought would help you AND the puppies.

Like I said, don't CALL the humane society. Take the puppies down there and talk to them in person. That always works better then calling. Do you know how many people call everyday in comparison to how many actually show up?

As for the adds you've placed on Craigslist, or rescues you've contacted.. what did the adds say? What rescues have you contacted. What city are you in? I will be happy to contact people on your behalf, I know some people in lab rescue (though not in your area by the sounds of it, but I can try). Maybe we can tweak the adds or something.
post #31 of 78
Thread Starter 
you really do not know my life situation. but if you must judge then I guess have it
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Originally Posted by avengingophelia View Post
Given this situation, I think you've been lectured fairly minimally on this thread.
post #32 of 78
I get it. You want a get out of jail free card for letting your dog get pregnant and ending up with puppies with no homes. You don't get one. It's not OK. Period.

If you actually want help, though, I've done this before. I placed a litter of seven once, which I had from four weeks on. I agree with everything North said about how to deal with the Humane Society, and like North, I am willing to help you place these pups if you actually want help. But if what you want is absolution, you're barking up the wrong tree.
post #33 of 78
Thread Starter 
I am an hour south of Tucson.

the craigslist ads just listed breed,sex,age. I have put up fliers too. asked everyone I know,etc. ill try the vet though

they are mostly cute. and don't look like rotties. 2 of them are kinda ugly though.

I totally am going to try taking them to the humane society in person. I have called several times over the last few months. but they are full up (or so they said after asking what breed)
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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
I'm not trying to lecture you, nor do I think my post was worded that way. Clearly you are sensitive to this issue. My only goal is to help those puppies, not belittle you. You said you wanted help, and I spent 25 minutes typing out some information that had not yet been shared in this thread that I thought would help you AND the puppies.

Like I said, don't CALL the humane society. Take the puppies down there and talk to them in person. That always works better then calling. Do you know how many people call everyday in comparison to how many actually show up?

As for the adds you've placed on Craigslist, or rescues you've contacted.. what did the adds say? What rescues have you contacted. What city are you in? I will be happy to contact people on your behalf, I know some people in lab rescue (though not in your area by the sounds of it, but I can try). Maybe we can tweak the adds or something.
post #34 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
yes and even at the walmart. (I will be selective as best as I can, if it matters).
Honestly, it doesn't matter. Giving away dogs at walmart is not a responsible thing to do. If it were me and I was under a deadline to find homes for 7 puppies in 2 weeks, I would think euthanasia over the walmart parking lot.

Is there a reason why they can't go with you when you move and then you can continue a much more thorough process of finding them good homes? Perhaps you will have better luck preparing to take them with you than hurriedly finding them homes. I've had great luck finding crates and such on freecycle.
post #35 of 78
Thread Starter 
if I wanted a get out of jail free card I would have taken them to the pound 2 weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by avengingophelia View Post
I get it. You want a get out of jail free card for letting your dog get pregnant and ending up with puppies with no homes. You don't get one. It's not OK. Period.

If you actually want help, though, I've done this before. I placed a litter of seven once, which I had from four weeks on. I agree with everything North said about how to deal with the Humane Society, and like North, I am willing to help you place these pups if you actually want help. But if what you want is absolution, you're barking up the wrong tree.
post #36 of 78
Sending some emails now...

How old are the pups?
post #37 of 78
Thread Starter 
12 weeks.

Thank you!
post #38 of 78
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
no they said they were out of resources at this point and overfull. I cannot foster these dogs longer than 2 more weeks as I am leaving the state for 2-3 months (Already postponed my trip, though not due to the dogs). they are already too much for me as it is but they are outside in a kennel, so it's ok for now.. but I can't possibly pay for someone to care for them while I'm gone. as it is I have 2 goats and 2 dogs and a stray to worry about while I'm away...and getting the mom/dad fixed too!
Just a reminder--you're not fostering these dogs. You bred them; they're yours. 100% agree with the fact that it would be better to send these puppies to heaven than abandon them.
post #39 of 78
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Originally Posted by thekimballs View Post
Just a reminder--you're not fostering these dogs. You bred them; they're yours.
Amen.
post #40 of 78
Thread Starter 
where did I ever mention abandoning them?

thanks for the advice.

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Originally Posted by thekimballs View Post
Just a reminder--you're not fostering these dogs. You bred them; they're yours. 100% agree with the fact that it would be better to send these puppies to heaven than abandon them.
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