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post #41 of 80
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Originally Posted by Papooses View Post
The manual always explains: always start with the manual.... Many seats now also have the expiration imprinted on the plastic shell/frame -- usually underneath or on the back.

When in doubt, call the toll free customer service # listed on the stickers on the seat.

If you don't have a manual, request a replacement ASAP.
I don't have the manual, as DD was staying with her grandma when she outgrew the one she was in. I will check around on the shell and find out. I think I've seen it once and was wondering "what's that date for?" It's not that old, "Grandma Becky" bought it between February and May of this year. Thank you.
post #42 of 80
If she bought it new from the store, it should be fine. I don't think there are any seats with an expiry less than five years. Most are six. A few are eight or nine. This is, of course, a general statement and you should research the requirements for your specific seat. And expiry is from date of manufacture, not date of purchase or first use, and the clock doesn't stop if the seat is taken out of the car and put in the basement for a few years before the next child comes along.
post #43 of 80
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Originally Posted by bmcneal View Post
I don't have the manual, as DD was staying with her grandma when she outgrew the one she was in. I will check around on the shell and find out. I think I've seen it once and was wondering "what's that date for?" It's not that old, "Grandma Becky" bought it between February and May of this year. Thank you.
if you post what car seat it is, the manual is probably online somewhere (or one of the cpst's will just know).

in response to other posts on this thread (not bmneal),i am amazed that anyone would think NO car seat is better than an expired seat. Im sure NO CPST or other safety minded member would claim that and i haevnt seen it on this thread...but that doesnt mean that an expired seat is safe..its not. period.
post #44 of 80
This, expired seat or no seat, debate is always so illogical to me.

Children are safest when properly restrained, in a correctly installed seat that is appropriate for their age and vehicle.

The vast majority of CPST on this board are trained in the US for US laws, some for Canada, but I haven't seen others. I, nor others, can properly defend or argue what happens in most other countries regarding free or low-cost seats.

BUT, here in the US, most families in need can find a free or low-cost seat if need be. Or, they could make a hard choice, and buy one at full cost for $40 at Wal-Mart. I see parents with the new, latest cell phone, arguing with me why the $20 co-pay is more than they can afford at every months seat check for my local group. Why is that? Who knows... But I see just as many single moms, struggling to get by, who come in with seats that they paid for, full retail price, who just need help installing them. People either "get this" or they don't.

As a local Safe Kids coordinator said in response to protests about our new booster law, "(booster) seats are cheaper than rehabilitation after a spinal cord injury or a funeral. I have no patience for parents who argue that this law is an inconvenience"
post #45 of 80
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Originally Posted by ilovemyavery View Post
As a local Safe Kids coordinator said in response to protests about our new booster law, "(booster) seats are cheaper than rehabilitation after a spinal cord injury or a funeral. I have no patience for parents who argue that this law is an inconvenience"
Bless you :

I think what needs to happen is less complaining & more people helping to improve resources -- I'm a $0 income single mom in college full time but I still volunteer to make sure other needy families are as safe as mine....
post #46 of 80
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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter View Post
in response to other posts on this thread (not bmneal),i am amazed that anyone would think NO car seat is better than an expired seat. Im sure NO CPST or other safety minded member would claim that and i haevnt seen it on this thread...but that doesnt mean that an expired seat is safe..its not. period.
If my only choices were expired seat or no seat, my daughter would ride in the expired seat.

The physical dangers of an expired seat -- shattered shell, harness ripping through plastic, etc. -- have already been covered. But another danger of an expired seat is a false sense of security. When parents know they have no carseat, they often make other travel arrangements or at least limit driving. But if they believe their expired seat is safe enough, they plunk the kid in and go about their business, not knowing that the child is truly unsafe.
post #47 of 80
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
If my only choices were expired seat or no seat, my daughter would ride in the expired seat.

But another danger of an expired seat is a false sense of security.
Yes, the difference between reducing risks whenever at all possible & just not caring. We can't all be perfect 100% of the time. But, we can do our best. Sometimes our best is different from moment-to-moment. That doesn't mean that I should choose less than my best right now just because I couldn't do as well before. Our kids deserve more than complacency. Any parent struggling to do their very best in each moment is not complacent.
post #48 of 80
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Originally Posted by tapmilkmom View Post
I'm gonna be the voice of the minority here, but the moms who post the used carseasts are probably thinking,"better a used carseat than no carseat at all" and may not know that there are places you can get free carseats.


ARE there places to get used carseats? I don't know, we bought our first one, the health insurance company sent us the second one and we bought the third.????

I've gone 'round with someone here (don't remember who) about the fact that THEY would prefer NO CARSEAT AT ALL to a used/expired carseat.


Whatever. To each her own, but not for my family.
: I would never take one from freecycle (well maybe a spare booster seat ) But I have a used infant carrier. It was from my cousin and it was her back up and it was only used twice. I think if you know the history and it is up to current safety standards (recalls etc) it is a MUCH safer option than no carseat. If you are poor you are poor nothing is going to change that.
post #49 of 80
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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
I highly doubt they would actually give car seats. I would call just to prove it to you on Sun, mon. if I remember.
Well, the US version of the organization does in some jurisdictions, so they might, or at least subsidize them.

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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Don't know anything about freecycle Israel. I know someone has my 10 year old car seat right now. I'm wondering if I should take it back from them so their kid can be unrestrained instead.
You should advise them that the carseat is expired, and in the event of a crash, it may not protect their child, so they should do whatever they can to get a safer seat ASAP.

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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
You don't have to own a car to take your baby or child in one, so that point is not really relevant.
You have to know someone who has a car. As I said, in some places (I've never been to Israel and know little about how cars are used there in particular), owning OR USING a car is a luxury. In those places, there's always an alternative to car use, so someone without a safe seat for their child wouldn't have to go in the car at all.

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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter View Post
in response to other posts on this thread (not bmneal),i am amazed that anyone would think NO car seat is better than an expired seat. Im sure NO CPST or other safety minded member would claim that and i haevnt seen it on this thread...but that doesnt mean that an expired seat is safe..its not. period.
I'm the one who speculated about the way in which an expired seat might (just might) be more of a hazard than no seat. I also pointed out that there are other considerations that might balance that risk, and make the expired seat safer. CPSTs have since posted that, in fact, the expired seat does increase safety in a crash over no restraint at all.

I also posted in that same post that it's a bit like asking if you should leave the bleach or the drain cleaner in reach of your toddler. Yes, one may be less dangerous than the other, but it's really obvious that NEITHER is safe. People don't have the same perspective on expired car seats though.
post #50 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
I also posted in that same post that it's a bit like asking if you should leave the bleach or the drain cleaner in reach of your toddler. Yes, one may be less dangerous than the other, but it's really obvious that NEITHER is safe. People don't have the same perspective on expired car seats though.
I like that analogy. Many of the low income families I help, though, are literally moved to tears when they find out what could have happened the way their kids were riding. They just had no clue. Approaching them with such an analogy would not be very helpful Just because someone is low-income doesn't mean they're stupid or uncaring. They usually have some of the most difficult vehicles to install carseats in in the first place. They usually just don't have the background or experience to realize how important reading the instructions are. So, I think this analogy is great for those who seem to *want* to choose complacency, but in my experience that is the rarity IRL. However, I suspect that people who prefer complacency are just going to role their eyes at anything that actually makes sense. We can only share the information. It's up to the parents to think it through & make a decision for the better well-being of their own kids....
post #51 of 80
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Originally Posted by Papooses View Post
I like that analogy. Many of the low income families I help, though, are literally moved to tears when they find out what could have happened the way their kids were riding. They just had no clue. Approaching them with such an analogy would not be very helpful Just because someone is low-income doesn't mean they're stupid or uncaring. They usually have some of the most difficult vehicles to install carseats in in the first place. They usually just don't have the background or experience to realize how important reading the instructions are. So, I think this analogy is great for those who seem to *want* to choose complacency, but in my experience that is the rarity IRL. However, I suspect that people who prefer complacency are just going to role their eyes at anything that actually makes sense. We can only share the information. It's up to the parents to think it through & make a decision for the better well-being of their own kids....
Oh, I totally agree. Some people are interested in the information and take it seriously; some are willing to dismiss it... and it doesn't really seem to relate all that much to income which category people fit into. I use the analogy to illustrate the point *here*, where people are saying, basically, that it's a GOOD thing that people are passing on expired seats, because otherwise the child might not have any seat. It may be marginally better, but it is far from good *enough* to keep the kids safe.
post #52 of 80
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Originally Posted by MommyJoia View Post
if you have enough $ to be sitting around posting on the internet, you have enough $ to get the cheapest car seat, which has to be safer than an expired car seat. IMHO
Um, no. For the first two years I was on Mothering, I was posting from public libraries because we couldn't afford the $15/month for dialup internet, let alone a computer. There are definately mamas here who are living on the bare minumum, which is why it would be more constructive to post links to help than comments like this.
post #53 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
Well, the US version of the organization does in some jurisdictions, so they might, or at least subsidize them.
Well, that site says nothing about giving car seats.


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In those places, there's always an alternative to car use, so someone without a safe seat for their child wouldn't have to go in the car at all.
Wrong. Unless you're talking about a donkey, or walking miles and miles. If you don't know the area and the situation just keep it at that.





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I also posted in that same post that it's a bit like asking if you should leave the bleach or the drain cleaner in reach of your toddler. Yes, one may be less dangerous than the other, but it's really obvious that NEITHER is safe. People don't have the same perspective on expired car seats though.
Because its not true.
post #54 of 80
ive been to Israel a few times and granted, perhaps there are places where public transportation is lacking but the places i went to all had great public transportation.

expired car seats are unsafe. it is a FACT.

why this fact needs to be debated on this board again and again is just beyond me.
post #55 of 80
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Originally Posted by phathui5 View Post
Um, no. For the first two years I was on Mothering, I was posting from public libraries because we couldn't afford the $15/month for dialup internet, let alone a computer. There are definately mamas here who are living on the bare minumum, which is why it would be more constructive to post links to help than comments like this.
OK, I already apologized for offending. you can go and read my previous posts.

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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter View Post
ive been to Israel a few times and granted, perhaps there are places where public transportation is lacking but the places i went to all had great public transportation.

expired car seats are unsafe. it is a FACT.

why this fact needs to be debated on this board again and again is just beyond me.
This is what I agree with. :


My husband is from Lebanon, in the village he is from, they know nothing about car seat safety, hell they know nothing about car seats period, they simply put bouncy seats on the back seat and someone keeps it from tipping over or someone just holds the baby.

the OP was talking about people in this country either offering or receiving expired seats from freecycle. I personally have received expired seats, six years expired seats from freecycle. I actually called my waste management company to find out how to properly dispose of these seats so no one else would get them. I truly do feel that if you know about freecycle and you have the time to post "wanted"s for car seats on freecycle, you can do some internet footwork and find the programs to get free or discounted car seats. I love to get free stuff on freecycle, but you have to draw the line somewhere and I think it's unethical to offer expired car seats on freecycle. whenever anyone posts a "wanted" for a car seat, I write them and tell them about how they need to check the expiration dates and how it's dangerous to put a child in an expired seat. I also have written our moderator several times about the car seat situation and she has posted my warnings.
post #56 of 80
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Originally Posted by MommyJoia View Post
the OP was talking about people in this country either offering or receiving expired seats from freecycle.
Ooh, sorry I didn't know there is a strict on topic rule for threads here. I'm a long time poster, I guess its a new rule.
Starting a new thread, please share your thoughts about the situation in Lebanon.
post #57 of 80
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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Well, that site says nothing about giving car seats.
Neither does the US site. And yet, in many places, they do exactly that. Availability varies regionally, and besides, some people (who have the money to buy seats) would take advantage if they publicized it more, so they don't post about it. But the program exists.

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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Wrong. Unless you're talking about a donkey, or walking miles and miles. If you don't know the area and the situation just keep it at that.
I know this: if it's a location where car travel is reserved to a certain socioeconomic stratum, there are a LOT of people who get around by other means. Yes, most of the world walks miles every day. Humans evolved walking an average of 10 miles a day to gather sufficient food for their daily sustenance.

I know also that I do not for one minute buy the idea that my child is more worthy of appropriate protection because my family is not poor. That's one reason why I don't think it's "good enough" for kids to ride around in expired seats because the family can't afford new ones... or worse yet, there are families that *could* afford it, but honestly think it's not worth it, because they'd have to avoid eating out for a month or two or somesuch.

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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Because its not true.
It actually is true. Here's some crash-test footage with a 10-year-old carseat (four years expired):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCRz7BRAM0

And when searching for that, I found this really good 4-minute segment. It's Canadian, not American, but the stuff they mention is basic info about used carseats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC5if...eature=related
post #58 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
Neither does the US site. And yet, in many places, they do exactly that. Availability varies regionally, and besides, some people (who have the money to buy seats) would take advantage if they publicized it more, so they don't post about it. But the program exists.
As I said, I will contact them. And I am sure I will be told that they do not give cars seats.
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I know this: if it's a location where car travel is reserved to a certain socioeconomic stratum
It isn't. Everyone uses taxis. Which 10 years ago did not even provide back seat seatbelts.
and it isn't safe to walk on highways.
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It actually is true. Here's some crash-test footage with a 10-year-old carseat (four years expired):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCRz7BRAM0
The kid would still be in the vehicle. That right there is an advantage over this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giYQE1Hskjc
post #59 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
I'm not sure I can believe everything on that video or if its relevant to the situation outside the country of its intended audience. The seat "not manufactured anymore" is sold in Israel http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=492096
post #60 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
You posted a link to prices, along with the conversion; the carseats on that page appear to start around $72 US.
None of the cheaper seats have a chest clip. Isn't that unsafe?
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