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post #61 of 81
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Originally Posted by MommaFox View Post
I'd do everything I could to get the school to change thier pick-up policy. None of the schools I've dealt with have ever let a kindergarten student just walk off, or even point and say "That's my mommy's car. The parents were required to get thier lazy bums out of thier cars and go up to physically claim thier children. I'd call the superintendant, administrators and if that didn't work, I'd call the local news chanels, news papers, get the police involved, whatever it took to ensure the safety of my chlld and other children. It is extremely irresponsible of this school, and if people knew about the policy of just letting kiddos this young just wander off I'm certain tehy wouldn't stand for it.


Raise some hell
post #62 of 81
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I am now in contact with the school board I will update soon.
post #63 of 81
If you want to escalate this and turn it into a battle, that's your right.

However...maybe it's just me, but I tend to pick my battles, even with the school system. Let's look at what you've said so far:

A) Your house is outside of the range that the school normally classifies as 'walking range'.

B) They DID let you sign her up as a walker anyway.

C) You got upset at them following the procedure for walkers AND you were late. (note, this is not picking on you, I think almost everyone is late at least once, I've missed the bus dropping off my daughter twice last year, thank goodness that neighbors volunteered to walk her towards the house for me, and one time the bus driver saw me running down the street and let her get off--he certainly didn't have to.)

D) You complained, and now the school is enforcing the radius policy.

E) It's not a necessity (in that you have a car available, and/or qualify for bus service, you're just choosing not to use it, for fun).

I think that if you really try to make a stink about this right away, unfortunately this is likely to backfire on you. Also you must weigh the chances of success, which in this case is not likely. There's nothing here that is a special circumstance.

If I were you, I'd go to the VP or P, whomever you feel most comfortable with, and say that you'd like another chance/trial period, because you have strategies to make it work. Then tell them what it is. ("I'd like to be here 5 minutes early, I will pick her up in the car lane every day, whatever.")

I just think that if you want to be available for the big important fights (like curriculum, individual advocacy for a learning plan, ect) then you need to at least get along and be seen as reasonable. Perhaps there's stuff you haven't mentioned, and again, this is only my opinon--but this particular situation (I want my child to be a walker but I don't want walker policy followed for just her individual case) seems to be kind of unreasonable. And there are really a lot of ways to work around it. Sometimes you have to find those ways, even if it means you don't win to the letter. Because I really dont' think that you're going to win this one outright.

Park your car, make SURE as much as possible that you are not late (or if you are, no biggie, just call the school office and explain you're stuck in traffic or running late, that happens to everyone), then walk up and get her in the rider lane.

Unless your school has a huge parkling lot, they'll be glad that you parked NOT in it and aren't holding up the line.

There are many things I would be totally willing to be a high maintenance parent over. This would not be one of them. But as I said, your choice, and best of luck to you.
post #64 of 81
I would raise hell about them releasing K students on their own. This IS IRRESPONSIBLE of the school system. I wouldn't say anything about anything else, really, except that I would classify my kid as a car rider, then pick her up from the classroom on foot everyday right when the bell rings.

I have never heard of K-1 kids being released to... no one... and I have a degree in K-12

ETA- on pick-up/bussing policies-- the local school district also requires all K-2 kids have to be met at the bus stop (aka, home) by an authorized adult. If an authorized adult is not there, they take kid back to the school. If it happens more than 3 times, they call CPS about neglect!!!!
post #65 of 81
Our SD requires that all Kindy students are met at the bus stop. I believe 1st graders can walk home from the stop (though most parents meet their kids until 2nd grade at least, this is a neighborhood school in an all-residential area though). I would assume the same policy applies to walkers.

But...whatever you submit on your form, that's how they'll release them. Which is why I don't understand the fuss about having the kid classified as a car-pickup. The school has to cover its butt/follow district policies. They're not going to refuse to give your child to you if you show up on time without a car. Obviously for this school "walker" implies no parent necessary for pickup.

So while I might clarify with the district if Kindies are even classifiable as walkers due to their age, and I agree that's a good policy...it just doesn't seem evil of the school to me that walkers are given autonomy. Perhaps the administrative staff just made an error in allowing a K student onto the walker list, so they're backtracking.

It's stuff like this though that probably has SDs put into place requirements forbidding walkers/bike riders. There's too much of a grey zone as far as who's responsible for how long, because there is a gap between when the student gets out of school and when they get home. Bus and car pickups don't involve that--it's a direct release from the teacher to the custody of the parent/authorize pickup person.
post #66 of 81
I'm reading with much interest because I have to learn all this school stuff soon. So from the voice of inexperience...

I would get/borrow one of those little ride-on cars and bring it to the car lane, wait my turn, put my daughter in the ride-on car, and walk her home. It's a car, you picked her up.

Good luck with it!
post #67 of 81
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild View Post
Our SD requires that all Kindy students are met at the bus stop. I believe 1st graders can walk home from the stop (though most parents meet their kids until 2nd grade at least, this is a neighborhood school in an all-residential area though). I would assume the same policy applies to walkers.

But...whatever you submit on your form, that's how they'll release them. Which is why I don't understand the fuss about having the kid classified as a car-pickup. The school has to cover its butt/follow district policies. They're not going to refuse to give your child to you if you show up on time without a car. Obviously for this school "walker" implies no parent necessary for pickup.

So while I might clarify with the district if Kindies are even classifiable as walkers due to their age, and I agree that's a good policy...it just doesn't seem evil of the school to me that walkers are given autonomy. Perhaps the administrative staff just made an error in allowing a K student onto the walker list, so they're backtracking.

It's stuff like this though that probably has SDs put into place requirements forbidding walkers/bike riders. There's too much of a grey zone as far as who's responsible for how long, because there is a gap between when the student gets out of school and when they get home. Bus and car pickups don't involve that--it's a direct release from the teacher to the custody of the parent/authorize pickup person.

A) I was not informed that there was a walking range when I informed the teacher of our choice to be walkers. There was no information given to me in neither the handbook nor the website stating the rules for walkers. I checked this all before we started walking. I was unaware that their was no supervision of the walker line as we only had done it once on the 1st day of school.


B) If they have rules in place I should not have been allowed to be a walker.



C) Again I was not informed in anyway and I researched everything before I walked her the 1st day. If I knew this was the case I would have driven that day and called the school. I was trying not to rock the boat and call ½ through the day to change her to a car rider which she had never been. If I had any idea that they would just release her there is NO WAY I would have let her be a walker I would have driven to pick her up.

D) They do not have any safety precautions in place kind gardeners are still allowed to walk home alone. And parents are still uninformed b/c I stopped one of the other parents to ask her if she knew that was the case and she was also informed that was happening. She was not told anything either she just had not been late yet. I understand do not be late but seriously stuff happens and car riders parents can be in a car accident they will be late as well. And the car lane is long so there is a window of time to pick your child up.

When they switched my daughter to the car lane I was applauded by the lack of safety measures for it as well. You are not given anything for your car nor is your child to make sure that you get your child. The staff relies on the student to identify their car.

I have been to the vice principal twice the 1st time to complain and ask about the policies I was told she could only be a car rider or a bus rider. When I picked my daughter from the car lane and saw the lack of safety in the car lane as well I called the vice principal again to try and work something out especially after I was told by many of you that they cannot tell me how I can pick up my child. I was told that she Had to be a car rider or a bus rider. I could not walk to the car lane. The vice principal informed me that the teacher who sent my daughter off with a stranger did more than she should have. I brought up the fact that there is no information concerning the policies regarding the walkers except where they are to be dropped off. And the only information for the car lane is where not to turn and the rules regarding u turns. There are no safety measures to identify the parent and the bus.

I am not doing this for fun. I am doing it b/c I do not think that I should have to drive my car .08 of a mile. I do not want her on the bus. My daughter is 32 lbs she is not even big enough for a booster. She rides in a 5 point car seat. If the buses have seatbelts they are the lap belts which are even less safe for her. When they put someone on the bus beside the driver to watch the children and install better seatbelts I would put my child on the bus. But as it stands now I will not. I should not have to justify my reasons for my choice to not but her on the bus she is my child.

After 2 conversations with the VP I went to the principal. The principal told me they have never had a child taken so they do not need to change their rules she also told me if I felt I needed exercise I could find other times to do it. I also complained about the green issues and the buses carbon footprint and she said that they are already running. She also never apologized or acknowledged that it was unacceptable for my daughter to be sent off with a stranger. I told her that my daughter should have been taken to the office and I should have been called. Yes I drive my car literally across the street across a major road b/c there is no light there and it is not safe for anyone to cross on foot. But driving my car across the street takes a lot less carbon than a bus.

I went to pick up my child from the car lane after speaking to the principal. My daughter ran toward my car as that was the rules she was told when you see your car run along side it to speed up the car lane. No one made sure she was in the car and no one shut the door for her.

I am going to the school board for the safety of my child and that of the other children at her school. The procedures they have are unacceptable. Many parents have told me the rules at their schools which I really appreciate!!!!!!! I want my child’s school to have the same kind of rules and after taking with the vice principal twice and the principal I was not taken seriously and that is not acceptable.

It is about safety
post #68 of 81
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Originally Posted by yogamom2007 View Post
The principal told me they have never had a child taken so they do not need to change their rules
: Seriously, they're waiting for something horrible to happen before they institute safety measures? Aaaaaarg!

I wonder if your local TV station would want to do a piece on this.
post #69 of 81
Last year I picked up three of the kids I nannied for everyday from the elementary school. One was in kindy, the other two were in third grade. The kindergarteners-2nd graders had to stay with their teacher until the teacher saw somebody she recognized as belonging to that kid. Parents were requested to park over in the church parking lot and walk up to get the kids. Bus riders were released 5 minutes prior to walkers.

Apart from safety, this gave any of the teachers a chance to come up and talk with any of the parents for a minute or two about anything that had happened that day.
post #70 of 81
I've never heard of schools designating children as walkers or car riders. I wonder if it an American thing? It seems very complicated.

During the first two weeks of grade one, my daughter's teacher escorted the kids out of the building, lined them up then one by one dismissed them to their pick-up person ("I see you've found your mom. You're free to go now.").

After that, the classes just come out to the school yard and somehow find their person or go out of the yard to a waiting car or walk home, unless they go to the inschool daycare.
post #71 of 81
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Originally Posted by paquerette View Post
: Seriously, they're waiting for something horrible to happen before they institute safety measures? Aaaaaarg!

I wonder if your local TV station would want to do a piece on this.
I said the same thing to the woman at the school board but I also said that I had not done that b/c I do not want strangers to know that is the policy at my child's school.
post #72 of 81
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Originally Posted by yogamom2007 View Post
I said the same thing to the woman at the school board but I also said that I had not done that b/c I do not want strangers to know that is the policy at my child's school.
good point. the last thing you need is to make it public knowledge that they let 5 yo's walk off alone with no supervision.

this is all very interesting. we live in a very small, rural area where everyone knows everyone, and still the kids are supervised and need to be signed in and out. we also didn't have a different designation for walking or car pick-up, though that's probably because very few kids live within walking distance of the school (we are one of the very few). so we would walk if it was nice, and ride if it wasn't nice or we were running late.
post #73 of 81
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I spoke to the woman from the school board. She called 10 minutes before I had to pick up my daughter. 1st off she started spouting off what I had been told about the 4 neighborhoods and the kids walking together. She said that the school was now aware of the situation and that they were looking into their policy's. I said that was not good enough and that the something needed to be done in the interim to make sure this does not happen again. My daughter still has tag stating walker on her backpack. The car lane is still slack. After many go a rounds she finally listened to me. When i called her back since she was so rude and called me 10 minutes before i needed to pick up my daughter. She said that she was going to be keeping up with it and that a week is a reasonable amt of time to see some sort of response. I also asked about transferring dd and she said their are only a couple of schools that accept transfers and basically she inferred that they were not good schools. I asked if I would be given an apology by the principal and she said she would speak to the principal. Basically I was told that they are looking into it and what changes can be made. I pointed out to her the other schools that have things in place and another county here that the parents have to meet the bus. I said to her that the safety of these children was not being taken seriously. i also told her what I was told about not being able to be a walker and she said i should be shown the same courtesy as the walkers as long as i was not late. So she is going to call the school and "get thier side" which I am sure she got before she called me as she tried to blow me off at 1st. As far as the car lane goes. I pulled up got out of my car opened my dd's door strapped her into her car seat and drove off. I now have to wait to hear back. As I said in another post going to the news is my last resort as I do not want strangers to know this is the policy at my daughters school. All I can say to all of you is do your research before you take your daughter to school. Read reviews talk to other parents ask millions of questions read your handbooks and be well informed. Thank you again to ALL of you that were supportive and explained your policy's at your schools it was a huge help. As a parent of a new kindergartner I really appreciate all of the replies and helpful answers and some of the hilarious comments like the one about the toy car that was great.
post #74 of 81
Thread Starter 

Final update

(update)Finally after 2 calls the the vice principal one call to the principal and one call to the school board changes have been made. I had a meeting with the principal on Monday. The walker policy has been changed the car rider policy has been changed. I also received an apology from the principal. We get to walk to school.:
post #75 of 81
Terrific!!!
post #76 of 81
I'm glad you were able to work something out. At our school, the K students stay with their teacher until the teacher sees each and every one of them go with a parent. Now the other grades do get released and then if the parent wants total supervision of their child, then they have to be there at the gate when the child gets out. I am just early and wait for ds to walk out the back gate.
post #77 of 81
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Wait, I'm seriously confused. How is this the school's fault? You signed her in as a walker. To our school that means she is walking home. How in the world would the school be expected to supervise all children whose parents have said it's ok for them to walk home? You said it's ok for her to walk home so, they let her go - on your direction.

If you no longer want her to be able to walk off school grounds then change the way your child is identified with the school.

I can not imagine signing my child as a walker and then expecting the school to supervise her. How do they know you're coming to get her? And really, you were late so the issue here is your lateness. You were 7 minutes late. It's not the school's responsibility to figure out how to supervise every child who is identified as a walker but whose parent comes and picks them up but then is late. How in the world would they do this?

Honestly, this is about personal responsibility, not running off to the PTA to complain about a situation that you, yourself created. Had you not been late, there wouldn't have been an issue. But, you were late, your child is signed in as a walker so they let her walk. I don't get the problem.

It is common enough for schools do not let 5 year olds walk home alone (mine didn't), that the OP did not think to ask.
post #78 of 81
What are the new procedures like?
post #79 of 81
Thread Starter 
You can state on the new walking form that you do not want you child released to anyone but you,so they cannot walk alone. You can also ok them walking home alone if that is your choice. Also a time frame has been added of 15 minutes so there is a margin of error.(just like the buses and car riders). If you are late your child will be taken to the office. They are sticking the the 4 surrounding neighborhoods but you can call and arrange to have your child be a walker you just have to explain where you are walking from or to. I do have to get written permission for the church I park at. For the car riders you get a paper to put in your window and they verify who you are picking up. It is still very rocky but they are working on it. I think that it is great that they are making changes. I am distressed that I had to go to so much trouble to get them to take me seriously.
post #80 of 81
I have been following this thread and I thought the adminstration in your school flipped its lid! :
I guessed they lost all their sense and people skills along the way! sheesh!
I am so impressed how you stuck with it and made a difference. So many parents must have seen how dysfunctional the system was but accepted it with its flaws. You must be an amazingly patient person.
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