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post #81 of 112
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Originally Posted by H & J's Mom View Post
Normally I would agree with the her body, her choice part of this but when an unborn child is involved, I just don’t agree.

I have no problem with it in general and I think it’s fine if there is a real medical need while PG, It sounds like one of the safer options in some cases.

I think it’s awful if there is no medical need and she’s using for the heck of it. If she can't sacrifice her MJ habit for 9mos then I think she'll have a hard time with a lot of the sacrifices she'll have to make as a mom.

For me personally, I don’t think I could justify taking anything that was not absolutely necessary. And I’m certainly not judging those who felt it was necessary for them.

As far as your friendship with her, I’m not one for ditching friends who don’t agree with me or my ways. I’d have very few friends …
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I'm always a little confused by the MDC opinion on smoking pot. I'm talking about the recreational use of it, not medicinal. It just seems really hypocritical to preach of the horrors of formula, epidurals, abx during labor for GBS, solids before 6 months, watching TV, plastic toys, non-organic crib matresses, processed food, foward facing carseats, etc. - only to turn around and say, "Smoking pot? That's fine."
post #82 of 112
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Originally Posted by tarajean56 View Post

I'm always a little confused by the MDC opinion on smoking pot. I'm talking about the recreational use of it, not medicinal. It just seems really hypocritical to preach of the horrors of formula, epidurals, abx during labor for GBS, solids before 6 months, watching TV, plastic toys, non-organic crib matresses, processed food, foward facing carseats, etc. - only to turn around and say, "Smoking pot? That's fine."
First of all MDC is a diverse group of people with diverse attitudes. There is no "MDC opinion." There isn't consensus even about the things you mentioned. Plenty of MDCers used pain meds in labor for a variety of totally fine and legit reasons, or use formula bc they have bfing problems, let their kids watch some tv, eat some processed food, etc. We are all making the best parenting choices we can given our resources, information, and instincts. If we all had the same attitudes and experiences there would be nothing to discuss. It's not a cult.

But to shed light on your confusion... Pot is natural, not synthetic. So too are breastmilk, wooden toys, and organic fabrics. Drugs used in labor are synthetic- man-made/chemical. Plastic toys are synthetic and full of chemicals. Pot, on the other hand, is not a chemical, it comes from the earth. There are no additives, no preservatives, nothing unnecessary added. It is known for it's healing properties, similar to echinacea or chamomile. In other words, a pro-pot stance is in line with many natural living philosophies because it, too, springs naturally from the earth. People use it recreationally because prozac is synthetic- Pot is a natural way to feel good and release stress.

Also... lots of hippies smoke pot... That's just how it is.

Does that help?
post #83 of 112
.... generally live a more fulfilling life. most importantly, i'm never "too high" to care for my son. in fact, i firmly believe that mj enables me to be a kinder, gentler parent and i am forever grateful for what it has taught me.[/QUOTE]

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post #84 of 112
dude! if yer gonna quote me, give credit where it's due!
post #85 of 112
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Originally Posted by tarajean56 View Post
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I'm always a little confused by the MDC opinion on smoking pot. I'm talking about the recreational use of it, not medicinal. It just seems really hypocritical to preach of the horrors of formula, epidurals, abx during labor for GBS, solids before 6 months, watching TV, plastic toys, non-organic crib matresses, processed food, foward facing carseats, etc. - only to turn around and say, "Smoking pot? That's fine."
Ditto. And to the OP (since you're asking), if this person were a "friend" of mine, I'd probably make an anonymous call to CPS. : I know this post won't win me any popularity contests here, but possession of marijuana in my state is illegal -- and regardless of my feelings on the subject, there are no allowances for medicinal purposes.

post #86 of 112
I always enjoy a good conversation about MJ. Several posts have expressed confusion regarding why NFL living folks would avoid abx, vax, ect and still expose their babies to MJ. To me it is less like a prescription and more like some of the things we consider natural medicines.

Many of us use Vit C when ill, homeopathy and a variety of natural remedies. MJ falls more under this category to me. It can be used as a natural remedy for a variety of ailments. It can be hard to seperate out the medicinal uses from the recreational uses. Some people use it for both. Like a glass of wine after a stressfull day. Is that medicinal or recreational?

To the OP and those who disapprove: it's absolutley your right to end a friendship because you disagree. You might take a good look at why you disagree though and put serious thought into how losing that friendship will affect you.
post #87 of 112
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Originally Posted by Mom2Boy&Girl View Post
Ditto. And to the OP (since you're asking), if this person were a "friend" of mine, I'd probably make an anonymous call to CPS. : I know this post won't win me any popularity contests here, but possession of marijuana in my state is illegal -- and regardless of my feelings on the subject, there are no allowances for medicinal purposes.

WHOA! Why would you call CPS? Would you feel that the child was in danger or being neglected? How is ripping a family apart better than mom smoking a little mj once and awhile. This blows my mind!!

What if someone called CPS on you for speeding or jaywalking? Those thing are illegal too, but are they CPS worthy?
post #88 of 112
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Originally Posted by Mom2Boy&Girl View Post
Ditto. And to the OP (since you're asking), if this person were a "friend" of mine, I'd probably make an anonymous call to CPS. : I know this post won't win me any popularity contests here, but possession of marijuana in my state is illegal -- and regardless of my feelings on the subject, there are no allowances for medicinal purposes.

You would break up a family and potentially cause kids to be put into foster care and taken away from their parents over marijuana? Wow. Would you also call CPS if you knew someone cheated on his/her taxes? That's illegal too.
post #89 of 112
I don't smoke weed often (though I did in high school) but I do partake on rare occasions (haven't smoked in about 2 years). Personally, I don't see the big deal. I know quite a few people that would be HELL to deal with if they didn't smoke. For a lot of people it also helps them concentrate. My stepdad has bad ADHD and can't focus on anything but if he takes a few hits he gets down to business. Not everyone that smokes weed lays on the couch watching Comedy Central and maxing on potato chips (although that would be me, which is why I don't smoke often ).

ETA: I'm a bit appalled that some people have replied that they'd call CPS. In most cases (I'm saying most because I obviously can't account for every single person that smokes weed) "potheads" don't abandon their children, prostitute themselves, thieve and commit various other criminal activities to get their hands on some weed like some people who use other recreational drugs do. I think it would be absolutely ridiculous to call CPS on a mother for using pot occasionally. There would be a lot more children unnecessarily in an already overloaded, poorly managed system if this were common practice. :
post #90 of 112
Jaywalking, tax evasion/cheating, and speeding are not the same thing as using an illegal drug while PG and breastfeeding. If you can't see the difference, then I'm not sure my response is really going to matter. But I'll give it a shot.

I have personal experience with marijuana's effects on the family and while I do not wish to share it on a public message board, I will say that based on that experience, doing any sort of illegal drug around children is never okay. And yes, I do believe that you are damaging your child by doing it around them, while PG, and while breastfeeding.

The OP asked what she should do. My answer still stands. If the OP is so disturbed by her friend smoking an illegal substance while PG and breastfeeding (and I'm assuming it's illegal where she lives based on her outrage -- if it's not illegal, then obviously that changes the scenario, doesn't it?), then she can call CPS and let them make the assessment on whether this mother is a danger to her own child. That's their job, not hers.
post #91 of 112
wow..after reading this thread, i hope any mom who smokes MJ during preg. or bf'ing or any other time when they are a "mom" realizes how dangerous it is to confide in your "friends".

amazing that someone would call CPS for occassional recreational or medicinal use of MJ.
post #92 of 112
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Originally Posted by Mom2Boy&Girl View Post
Jaywalking, tax evasion/cheating, and speeding are not the same thing as using an illegal drug while PG and breastfeeding. If you can't see the difference, then I'm not sure my response is really going to matter. But I'll give it a shot.

I have personal experience with marijuana's effects on the family and while I do not wish to share it on a public message board, I will say that based on that experience, doing any sort of illegal drug around children is never okay. And yes, I do believe that you are damaging your child by doing it around them, while PG, and while breastfeeding.

The OP asked what she should do. My answer still stands. If the OP is so disturbed by her friend smoking an illegal substance while PG and breastfeeding (and I'm assuming it's illegal where she lives based on her outrage -- if it's not illegal, then obviously that changes the scenario, doesn't it?), then she can call CPS and let them make the assessment on whether this mother is a danger to her own child. That's their job, not hers.
Either the fact that it's illegal is the issue or it isn't. I've never used mj. I've never even smoked cigarettes. But I've been prescribed a very strong drug that has stronger effects that mj in all ways for a medical need. I am sure I get higher on the drug I've been prescribed than I would on mj, and it sounds like it might well be less dangerous during pregnancy than what I'm taking. And I am pregnant, and I don't have a choice to not treat my problem. If mj is better and safer for my problem than the drug I've been prescribed, then the only relevant issue if I got called for use of it would be that it's illegal. In which case, so is playing around on tax forms.
post #93 of 112
I also have a problem with the "since it's illegal it must automatically be wrong" mentality. And one PP mentioned that the situation would be different if it were illegal. So, if it were legal you wouldn't call CPS? I really don't understand how the legality of an activity can change your stance on it. If murdering people were suddenly made legal, would that change your opinion on murder?
post #94 of 112
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Originally Posted by tarajean56 View Post
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I'm always a little confused by the MDC opinion on smoking pot. I'm talking about the recreational use of it, not medicinal. It just seems really hypocritical to preach of the horrors of formula, epidurals, abx during labor for GBS, solids before 6 months, watching TV, plastic toys, non-organic crib matresses, processed food, foward facing carseats, etc. - only to turn around and say, "Smoking pot? That's fine."
marijuana is a HERB. It is NATURAL.
post #95 of 112
Firstly, I never recommended anyone call CPS.

Secondly, yeah I do think studies coming out of Jamaica which endorse smoking MJ is humorous... sorry

No, I don't bend to big oil and pharma just because I am not cool with people toking up around their kids or when caring for their kids.

Finally, my opinions are my own and I have a right to them. I am not going to pander to the crunchy-approved MDC set on an issue I don't agree with.

For me, no one can justify the legal ramifications and the possibility of their child being removed (if in a location where mj is criminalized). To me, that is a problem. That would say to me that someone cared more about their herb than the possibility of their child getting taken away. Sure, you can argue "effed up system, down with the man!" all day long, and while I may agree in theory -- I don't value smoking enough (or even raging against the machine) enough to risk my child being removed for something that is not *essential* to my life or health. If you want to change the system, work with your local government to change the laws. Sitting on your porch with a spliff after the kids are in bed is not a brave, counter-culture act of protest to me. It is you (general you) sitting in your living room smoking a spliff after the kids are in bed. I mean, if you don't want people's opinions on it (especially of those who don't smoke) don't spout off about it

ETA: fwiw I think mj (and all drugs) should be at least decriminalized so it isn't an issue of me thinking it should stay illegal.
post #96 of 112
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Originally Posted by majazama View Post
marijuana is a HERB. It is NATURAL.
Yeah, so is plutonium (natural not an herb) but I am not putting that in my hookah either.
post #97 of 112
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Originally Posted by caspian's mama View Post
dude! if yer gonna quote me, give credit where it's due!
Sorry, I guess I erased the beginning of the Quote box by mistake
post #98 of 112
Can I just say that the fact that you guys are suggesting calling the CPS is totally and completely bizarre. You would watch children get torn away from a loving home because the mom smoked a little weed? Please please tell me that you are not serious. Think about what you're saying. Just so you know, it sounds completely insane.
Is the government suddenly always right?
post #99 of 112
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Yeah, so is plutonium (natural not an herb) but I am not putting that in my hookah either.
yeah, that's such an obvious connection; Smokin' plutonium.
post #100 of 112
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Yeah, so is plutonium (natural not an herb) but I am not putting that in my hookah either.
Yeah but I'm pretty sure if you smoked plutonium (is that even possible? ) or any other radioactive element, or even so much as stood near it for too long, it would KILL you. Marijuana will not.

ETA: And not everyone who smokes weed does it to be a rebel and "stick it to the man". And not every parent who smokes weed does it around their kids. And honestly, people smoking it during pregnancy (which I never did) as long as it's done in moderation doesn't bother me. Everything has risks. I took riskier prescription drugs while pregnant (Zoloft and Ativan).
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