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post #1 of 19
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We own our house. Our interest rate is very, very high. We are in the process of getting a loan remodification done with a lawyer. So worse case scenerio, our mortgage is $1600/mo. Good possibility it will go down to $1000.

My husband lost his job last year, the day he went back to work after being off for the birth of my daughter. He's a mechanic, so it's been a rocky road of employment since then - no one has money to fix their cars it seems. We make it, don't know how. Bills aren't paid on time but they do eventually get paid.

We are in an area where we could still sell our house. And walk away with tens of thousands of dollars. I would like to do this while we still can. There are other reasons I would like to move, but they aren't really relevant. Just saying that this isn't the only reason I'm considering a move. Oh, plus we have oil heat and that will be at least $3000 to heat with this year.

I fee like if we were renting, we would have that security blanket of money from the house. (If we stay here, it would be very difficult to come up with an emergency fund that would actually be helpful in a real emergency, such as job loss.) I'd also like to use a $1000 - $2000 to have a nice stock up of staple foods (pasta, canned goods, etc.) before we get to the 50% food increase. :

I do realize we are at the hands of a landlord, if we rent. Rent might be a little higher than our best case scenerio of mortgage, but the oil cost and other things, factored in and things will be less expensive renting.

Would you do it? Or stay put? Am I being paranoid, or prepared? What am I not considering?
post #2 of 19
What about getting a smaller house to lower your mortage (and with a lower interest rate), instead of renting? Have you looked at cheaper houses in your city? We bought a smaller house in the same neighborhood a few years ago and saved 500/month on the mortage and went from a 30 year to a 15 year. (Plus lower heating because of the smaller size.)
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by MonkeyPrincess View Post
We own our house. Our interest rate is very, very high. We are in the process of getting a loan remodification done with a lawyer. So worse case scenerio, our mortgage is $1600/mo. Good possibility it will go down to $1000.

My husband lost his job last year, the day he went back to work after being off for the birth of my daughter. He's a mechanic, so it's been a rocky road of employment since then - no one has money to fix their cars it seems. We make it, don't know how. Bills aren't paid on time but they do eventually get paid.

We are in an area where we could still sell our house. And walk away with tens of thousands of dollars. I would like to do this while we still can. There are other reasons I would like to move, but they aren't really relevant. Just saying that this isn't the only reason I'm considering a move. Oh, plus we have oil heat and that will be at least $3000 to heat with this year.

I fee like if we were renting, we would have that security blanket of money from the house. (If we stay here, it would be very difficult to come up with an emergency fund that would actually be helpful in a real emergency, such as job loss.) I'd also like to use a $1000 - $2000 to have a nice stock up of staple foods (pasta, canned goods, etc.) before we get to the 50% food increase. :

I do realize we are at the hands of a landlord, if we rent. Rent might be a little higher than our best case scenerio of mortgage, but the oil cost and other things, factored in and things will be less expensive renting.

Would you do it? Or stay put? Am I being paranoid, or prepared? What am I not considering?
If you're as strapped as you sound, then yes, some kind of change is in order. You say that the worst case scenario is that your mortgage is $1600/month -- is that doable? Is the best case scenario doable? If neither really works for you, then I'd either sell and buy a cheaper house or sell and rent, but I'd be leery of renting simply because in some areas, rents are rising quickly. When many people can't afford to own homes, then the demand for rentals goes up, and so do the rents. So, even if renting is affordable now, will it be affordable if the rent goes up by 20%?

My only other thought on what you said was that I think that the need for an emergency fund is very valid, but I would NOT put $1,000 into food and let that be a serious reason for making a decision about your home. I know some people do feel strongly about having that much food on hand, and that's fine, but I wouldn't make housing decisions based on something like that because owning a home can be something you have forever, but food will always be eaten, used, or it will go bad.
post #4 of 19
If you won't lose money on the sale of your home, I think it's a good plan to sell it and walk away with the proceeds...carefully invest that money, or at least sit on it, and rent for awhile.

Real estate values are only going down. We have not seen anything near the bottom yet. If you sell now and buy in a year or a few years, you'll be selling high and buying low - a very good scenario.

I am assuming it's reasonably easy to get an affordable, decent rental in the area where you want to be. If that wasn't possible, I would look for a cheaper, smaller, energy-efficient house to buy instead.

I don't see anything wrong with stocking up on food right now. Everyone's priorities are different, and I (like you) value a significant pantry investment.

I do think you'd be wise to sell your current house, and if you can do it fairly quickly and INSTEAD of refinancing, you'll probably save money by not paying refinancing fees.

You might want to read "Mortgage-Free" by Rob Roy. Some inspiring ideas there that might help you come up with an alternative plan for your family.
post #5 of 19
I agree that you should probably sell if you can still make a profit and you are struggling right now. Your only other option would be to ride it out for 5+ more years when you can make more of a profit and if that doesn't sound do-able then get out now.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies.

In our area, the house we have is the lowest end of the spectrum. I won't find a smaller house, that's for sure. More energy efficient, maybe. Plus, we are at our limit of downsizing - 1600 sq ft. There are rentals available for a fair price right now, but I didn't think of the potential increases. We couldn't purchase anything right now anyway, due to our bill/mortgage paying history has severely effected our credit, I'm sure.

We definitely plan on sitting on the money, but at this point with the economy headed where it looks like, I prefer that safety net of having it liquid. Not investing just yet.

We should get a good $30 - 40,000 after everything is said and done, so I don't think using $1000 for food will be a problem. I wouldn't base my decision on that, but it would be a perk if we do sell.

Anything else?
post #7 of 19
I'd do it.
post #8 of 19
I'd keep the house, provided you could lower the interest rate as you indicate down to the 1,000, assuming that's a fixed rate.

Perhaps things are different where you live, but I live in a part of the country with relatively reasonable housing. Rents on a one bedroom apartment in a decent area aren't much under 1,000, and many do not include heat. Of course, it will be cheaper to heat an apartment. But rental costs always go up, and yes, you are at the mercy of the landlord.

You'll lose the mortgage deduction and could be paying significantly higher taxes. There are also costs associated with moving.

I think that if you can swing it, over the long haul you'll be much better off with the house.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by amyamanda View Post
Real estate values are only going down. We have not seen anything near the bottom yet.
The most recent information actually contradicts this statement. Now the economic experts are arguing that the decreased price per barrel for oil is increasing the dollar's value, which in the end means the housing market will stabilize. The stock market rebounded last week based on this current line of thinking. Many people are saying we did in fact hit the bottom this summer, and the housing market is going to get back on solid ground.

Now, if you have an ARM that's adjusting, then that obviously may not matter for you. I think either way the larger point is that we just don't know right now what's going to happen. If I could afford to stay in the house, I probably would stay. Right now, though, I technically live in a stable market, the housing prices have fallen. (My MIL theorizes RE agents are in part to blame because they're depressing prices to make sales. I think there's some merit in that argument.)

When we looked at selling earlier this year, we decided that it would be better just to sit tight for a while rather than risk it right now. I would do the same if I were you.

Making the sale is based on the thought that the market is going to drop more. If it doesn't, then in the long-term you've lost out by selling your house. Now, if you cannot make your mortgage payment, then that's an entirely different scenario.
post #10 of 19
Sell it, unless you're prepared to stay and get further and further behind. AND investing some of the proceeds in food, which is sure to go up, up, up is a very wise thing to do.

Could you buy an RV and live in it while you decide where to go? RVs and other toys are going for obscenely small amounts of money now that people are selling them to raise cash.
post #11 of 19
I read that most new leases being signed in heating oil areas require you to buy your own heating oil. No landlord wants to include oil in the rent when they have no idea how high it will skyrocket.

I would wait to make a decision until you find out what is going to happen with your mortgage interest rate. It makes very little sense to sell if you end up on the 1000$ end of the spectrum.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by MonkeyPrincess View Post

We should get a good $30 - 40,000 after everything is said and done, so I don't think using $1000 for food will be a problem. I wouldn't base my decision on that, but it would be a perk if we do sell.

Anything else?
Wait a sec, though. Have you owned your home at least 2 years? I'm only asking because if it has been less than 2 years, then I think it's possible you may owe income taxes on the profit.
post #13 of 19
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Because then the gov't assumes you're "flipping" the house.
post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 
We've owned the house for 7 years.

And the houses we are looking to rent are not heated by oil.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by BrandiRhoades View Post
The most recent information actually contradicts this statement.
Totally depends on where the information comes from and whether or not you believe it. I don't want to debate it here. But I am convinced the recent dollar rise is temporary and that the housing market is not done falling.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by MonkeyPrincess View Post
Plus, we are at our limit of downsizing - 1600 sq ft.
How much is it going to cost you to rent a 1600 sq foot house? I don't see you saving much month to month and at the end of it all you don't own anything. I do not think this is a good idea at all.

eta: If you DO believe that the economic sky is falling then the last place I would want to be would be at the mercy of a landlord. Owning your own place seems much more secure. You even have the potential to rent a room to other people if everything comes tumbling down (which I don't believe it will).
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by BrandiRhoades View Post
The most recent information actually contradicts this statement. Now the economic experts are arguing that the decreased price per barrel for oil is increasing the dollar's value, which in the end means the housing market will stabilize. The stock market rebounded last week based on this current line of thinking. Many people are saying we did in fact hit the bottom this summer, and the housing market is going to get back on solid ground.
The value of the dollar has only marginal impact on the housing market. The real problem is that we are only about 1/3 through the series of waves of resets and defaults that are on the horizon, which are now eating into the prime real estate market. There are some financial issues that are complicating the process -- credit tightening because of bank write-downs, and their lack of the ability to securitize (ie. bundle up and sell off loans as an investment to hedge funds and other banks) mortgages meaning that they've got to be far more careful about what loans they underwrite and tightening federal requirements are all going to play some role in the problem. But the biggest issue is simple supply and demand; a huge increase in the supply of homes on the market with a simultaneous decrease in people willing and (more importantly) able to buy them.

I do think that we're going to see several more months of declines and won't hit a bottom or a stable point until 2012. If I were in your position, OP, I'd sell and bank on the flexibility of renting.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
We have decided to sell. The realtor comes tomorrow to go through the house. We'll have some things to take care of before it can go on the market, but I hope to have it listed by September.

It makes me feel more relaxed to know we will be financially secure, Having an emergency fund, stocked pantry and 6 months expenses (plus!) in the bank sounds like heaven after how we've been struggling the past few years. To be able to sell now and get anywhere close to what the house next door sold for two months ago, is an opportunity I don't want to pass up.

Even if the economic sky doesn't fall, there are other reasons we were thinking about moving. So those reasons were also factored into the decision to sell.

Thanks, again everyone. I appreciate the input. :
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by phathui5 View Post
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Because then the gov't assumes you're "flipping" the house.
I thought that extra tax was only if you didn't actually live in the house... I could be wrong though I suppose.


OP ~ Good luck selling your house, I hope it goes smoothly.
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