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post #21 of 48
I can recognize that some of us would hope male infant circ become illegal one day, but isn't it amazing that some of us are also against making male infant circ illegal, just because of religious reasons? I'm sorry, but basic human rights, esp. genital integrity, should trump religious freedom, not the other way around.
post #22 of 48
I certainly hope it will, but I think it will require a massive social/cultural change and the rates will need to plummet to very low levels on their own before it is made illegal. As far as the religious thing, I try to respect that but an infant cannot consent to joining a religion. I don't practice the religion I was baptised in, but a splash of water was harmless; genital cutting is permanent. You have full religious freedom to make your own choices when you turn 18....then have at it as far as I'm concerned.
post #23 of 48
I do.Back when female circumcision was banned I don't remember any women saying they had been circumcised as children and wished that they hadn't been.But now men circumcised as babies from all walks of life wish they hadn't been and are saying so.If our politicians saw fit to ban it for the the very few girls that would be then all of the men that are should make a difference.
post #24 of 48
i wish that we wouldnt have to wait for the circ rate to be really BEFORE it is illegal. at that point its like oh ok the trend is over i guess we can pass a law now.
post #25 of 48
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i wish that we wouldnt have to wait for the circ rate to be really BEFORE it is illegal. at that point its like oh ok the trend is over i guess we can pass a law now.
Very true.Stealing and drunk driving are pretty popular and everyone knows they are wrong so they are illegal even though quite a few people do them.Everyone knows cutting parts off of someone's body without their permission is wrong so why isn't it illegal even though it is popular?

From what I have read most insurance companies quit paying for female circumcision by the late 1970's and in 1996 it was banned.Insurance companies started to quit paying for male circumcision in the 1980's so as soon as most stop covering it most likely it will be banned.
post #26 of 48
No, I do not think it will be illegal in our lifetime, or even in my chidren's lifetimes..... but I do think rates can and will drop dramatically.... Maybe it will get down to 10-20% or less in the US....

The reason I think it will not become illegal is due to the fact circ is tied to some religious practices, and legislating religion is just not easy or appropriate.

I do think that in my life and in my kids' lives, many people will have a change of heart about circ and reject it in their families. If no one chooses it, it doesn't matter if it's legal or not.
post #27 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
I certainly hope not!

I'd love to see insurance companies no longer paying for the procedure. I'd love to see it become so rare that you won't have every OB and pediatrician comfortable doing them. But, for the sake of religious freedom, I wouldn't want to see circ become illegal.

Babies born with NO religion. when they are 18, they can definitely make a choice of what religion to adopt (if any).

For the sake of human rights and human freedom, I absolutely hope circ on minors will be illegal as it is in some countries, including USA (but unfortunately, here is applies only to females and no one is bothered by the lack of religious freedom when it comes to that).
post #28 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
I certainly hope not!

I'd love to see insurance companies no longer paying for the procedure. I'd love to see it become so rare that you won't have every OB and pediatrician comfortable doing them. But, for the sake of religious freedom, I wouldn't want to see circ become illegal.
Exactly my thoughts (and I am the mama of 2 intact boys)
post #29 of 48
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Babies born with NO religion.
I disagree with this statement.

My children are born into Christianity. As they grow, that may change but they are born into the family of Christ until they choose to disassosiate with that.

They are not magically spiritual at age 18. They are born spiritual beings.
post #30 of 48
I think male RIC will likely become illegal in the US during our childrens' lifetime. I think there will probably be a religious exemption.
post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by ulla View Post
No, because it would be unconstitutional. It's a First Amendment Rights issue.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Judaism and Islam are mainstream religions in the U.S.
And for the record, I am a Christian mom who does not circ.

But I will do what I can to protect the religious freedom of others.

I also have referred people to places to talk with others in religions that do circ that chose not too. But I will not step on their religious freedoms.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by My*Scorpio View Post
I think male RIC will likely become illegal in the US during our childrens' lifetime. I think there will probably be a religious exemption.
This would be fine with me.
post #33 of 48
So the 1st ammendment makes banning circumcision illegal and the 14th makes it illegal to not offer the same protection to boys.Which way will this go?Will the FGM ban be struck down based on the 1st/14th ammendments or will we ignore the constitution and protect children?
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by AngelBee View Post
I disagree with this statement.

My children are born into Christianity. As they grow, that may change but they are born into the family of Christ until they choose to disassosiate with that.

They are not magically spiritual at age 18. They are born spiritual beings.

Not to start a religion discassion here, but just like you said they perhaps are (if parents chose to force their personal beliefs on them) till they are old enough to decide for themselves. Unfortunately, permanent body modification while CAN be done when they are 18 (if they wish so), can NOT be undone when performed on a newborn (if he decides later on that given religion is not for him).
post #35 of 48
I sincerely hope it will be quietly made illegal because of the 14th amendment. It is not at all right for girls' genitals to be protected while boys' are not... Clinton had her opportunity when she fought so hard to get the 1996 FGM law passed... and then they ignored the boys. Wonder if they thought, "oh, well as soon as it is made illegal for females the males will have to be protected." Or did they think about the boys at all? Did they say, "oh, well, that's different. Male circ's are cleaner and have medical benifit."

And I see no reason why a minor child should be forced to have cosmetic genital surgery for a religion. I'm pretty sure a minor can't get tattooed (maybe parental consent clauses at 16) before 18 nationwide. I'm also pretty sure several religions/cultures do tattoo as a right of passage for minor children. Yet, they can't have their child tattooed in the US because it is illegal to tattoo a child... nothing at all to do with religion. Kid just has to wait until age of consent. Ta-da.
post #36 of 48
I'm writing my senators right now. I may borrow a turn of phrase or two from you very articulate mamas. I hope you don't mind.
post #37 of 48
I 100% hope it will be illegal within my lifetime, but I think it's more realistic to say it will be within my son's lifetime. I agree with the others who said that religious freedom ends where another persons bodily rights begin
post #38 of 48
I'm actually becoming afraid that the rates may go up for a while due to the recent studies about HIV. What do you guys think?
post #39 of 48
I hope it will become illegal.

Obama seems an open-minded guy, maybe he will look into it.
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
I certainly hope not!

I'd love to see insurance companies no longer paying for the procedure. I'd love to see it become so rare that you won't have every OB and pediatrician comfortable doing them. But, for the sake of religious freedom, I wouldn't want to see circ become illegal.
Circucision is out of pocket in canada (ontario anyway). Way to many people still fork over $350 and thier babies to be mutilated.
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