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post #21 of 308

Me too!

We are waiting to be approved by our agency (sometime in Sept) and then waiting for a match (domestic infant adoption). I had a fabulous nursing relationship with my two bio DD's and I really want induction to work. I stopped nursing 1 1/2 years ago...so who knows? I am on BCP (seasonique) but I was just reading that I should change to a 1/35 pill so I am ordering the Yasmin and Dom and going with the regular protocol.
Thanks for all of your positive comments!
Wish me luck! :
Amy
post #22 of 308
Hi! I wanted to join also. I have a 7 month old daughter who I nursed for the first month but now I would like to relactate. I am on the microgestin and will take it straight through and will also buy some of the dom when I get the money. Next week most likely. I really want to be able to give my daughter at least some breastmilk. I am sick of the guilt I have been feeling on giving up breastfeeding. I hope we can support each other.
post #23 of 308
Thread Starter 
Bump.

How is everyone doing? I'm pumping about half an ounce a session. But after pumping, I can still express hearty sprays for a while. I think I'll have no problem when my baby comes to me!

During my period, my milk supply was effected- but came right back even stronger!
post #24 of 308
I'm still here. I had to travel to see my mom who is ill so I have been gone for the past 2 weeks. So officially I am on my second day of pumping. I received my mother's milk special blend and dom which I have started taking. I noticed today that I have some cracking on the lower side of my nipples. They don't hurt, though. I am going to start using lanolin ointment. I think I might also start pumping just on the let-down setting for the whole session as azedazobollis suggested. Have you found out when your baby comes? Just curious. We are almost finished with the paperwork for our homestudy. My fingerprints came back as unreadable and I have to get them done again. Then we will meet with the social worker. I am very excited.
post #25 of 308
I am starting to make milk! I am so excited. Yesterday was day 4 of pumping and I had a drop of milk during the second pumping session of the day and several drops at the next session. Today I have had milk each time I have pumped and it was enought to fall into the bottle from the left side. WooHOOO!!!!
post #26 of 308
Thread Starter 
Yippy! I slowed down with the pumping the last couple weeks but I am rededicated again. I produce 1/4 an ounce each pumping. I can express more after that by hand. I am not signed off yet by our agency. I should be but everyone keeps going on vacation. Literally, all my stuff is done and sitting on a desk waiting for signatures. Im irritated but I keep saying to myself my baby isnt ready yet.

In addition to that, my husband is rebuilding the powerlines from Gustav and now Ike. He's been gone 2 weeks and will be gone another 2-3 weeks more.
post #27 of 308
I pumped 1 full ounce this afternoon and about 1/4 ounce this evening. I am so happy about it. We have just a little bit of paperwork yet to do. Must be so frustrating knowing your paperwork is done and just needs to be signed. I hope the people who need to sign you papers get back soon. Sounds like you are trying to keep a positive attitude though. Good luck.
post #28 of 308
You all rock! May your LO's all have nice wide mouths for good latches :
post #29 of 308
Thread Starter 
Still waiting for a baby.......


I have to come to terms that I may be in for a much longer wait than anticipated. I do not love my pump. I hand express 3-4 times a day. I make about and ounce and half a day......

My husband has been away for 3 weeks and Im a little busy with the kids. He is re-building the power lines after Gustav / Ike. He spent 2 weeks in Louisiana and is in Texas now.

Just thought Id check in. I dread taking all my herbs each day, so I cut the mid-day dose. I am eating oatmeal in the morning and taking my dom.

Tired right now........ trying to cram in some painting time after I get the kids down.:
post #30 of 308
and again still, WAITING......

My milk supply is waaaay down. Im pumping only 7-10 ml a session. I have fantastic hearty squirts every time I hand express. Im just hanging on. I guess my period is coming this week too.
My stress level is increasing. Totally off the topic but.... My husband has been away for 4+ weeks. Four kids are doing really well but homework each night has been tremendous. Im considering finding a teenager to come help out for a couple hours to help kids with homework. I also think a second computer in the house would fix homework time too. ugh. Listening to each kid play their newly acquired instruments last night sent me to tears of both sensory overload and joy of all my kids doing something together happily despite the sounds it created........ flute, piano, violin, guitar....... Im convinced my 6 year old is a prodigy with that violin. The 11 year old with the flute should probably wander back to his electric guitar, but he'll get better. Note to self: I'll wear earplugs next practice night.

I have baking to do today......
post #31 of 308
Thread Starter 
The above post was mine- my computer was still logged in as my friend who sat here at this computer this past weekend.....lol. I got back too late to realize an edit the post as my own.


and again still, WAITING......

My milk supply is waaaay down. Im pumping only 7-10 ml a session. I have fantastic hearty squirts every time I hand express. Im just hanging on. I guess my period is coming this week too.
My stress level is increasing. Totally off the topic but.... My husband has been away for 4+ weeks. Four kids are doing really well but homework each night has been tremendous. Im considering finding a teenager to come help out for a couple hours to help kids with homework. I also think a second computer in the house would fix homework time too. ugh. Listening to each kid play their newly acquired instruments last night sent me to tears of both sensory overload and joy of all my kids doing something together happily despite the sounds it created........ flute, piano, violin, guitar....... Im convinced my 6 year old is a prodigy with that violin. The 11 year old with the flute should probably wander back to his electric guitar, but he'll get better. Note to self: I'll wear earplugs next practice night.

I have baking to do today......
post #32 of 308
Pumping is going really well for me. In the morning after sleeping for 8 hrs I can pump 4 oz. I am averaging about 6-8 oz a day. I can't complain too much about that. I am pumping 4 times a day. I don't think I will increase it until I know when our baby is coming. I have been freezing the milk so hopefully I will have quite a supply by the time our baby arrives. Maybe enough to not use formula.
post #33 of 308
just wanted to say you are all awesome for doing this for your adoptive children. This is coming from a Birthmom who wishes his adoptive mom could of given him breastmilk.
post #34 of 308
Just wanted to say hi and add that we adopted out AA daughter 3 1/2 years ago and got her at 3 days old after only waiting 2 weeks after signing with the placement agency that was in a different state I had started pumping three times a day for 10min. each time and taking 80 mg. of domperidone (20 mg/4x/day) and had milk within 2 days and was freezing within a week. Glad I started before we started the homestudy so I was ready to go when we got the call. I nursed her until she was almost three. She took a short break for a few months but got interested again after watching other babes nursing and did it until 2 weeks before her 3rd b-day. So it can be done sucessfully!

* I wanted to add that it was only 2 mo. from start of homestudy to baby in arms!!!!
post #35 of 308
My induction was different in that I was nursing a toddler. However, my supply was really dropping after he turned 2. I pumped a lot and eventually started dom.

I am almost at full supply as my a-baby is 2 months of age today. I remember thinking we'd never get a baby and being so tired of pumping and the expense of dom and freezer bags for storing what I pumped. Then suddenly we got a call and less than 5 hours later I was nursing my 6 hour old baby. She is amazing and she really gets unhappy when anyone else holds her very long. It is also great fun when people find out I'm adoptive nursing. They remind me how great we all are for what we are doing.

So, stick with it. The months of pumping are hard. I pumped 28 straight months--first for my son, then to donate to an adoptive baby, then to save for my own adoptive baby.

A couple hints.

Get an appliance lock for your freezer. The cheap kind in the child safety section. We didn't put one on our freezer and lost half my stored milk when we went away for the weekend and the freezer hadn't been shut all the way. You can imagine my devastation.

Consider saving your milk in very small quantities. You don't know how much milk you'll make once you put the baby to breast. Turns out I only need to supplement with 1 or 2 ounces a day--and now not even that. So, all those 5 ounce bags I have when I was pumping multiple times a day and putting every small bit into them to freeze once a day are problematic. Sometimes all she would take was 1/2 ounce. I'd open a small bag and maybe not need more until the next day, maybe need another ounce. If I needed more ounce, I just opened another small bag until she was done. With big bags, if she's only going to take an ounce, what do I do with the other 4 ounces that are only good for 24 hours? I've found I can break off pieces in 2 and even 3 ounce bags before they are thawed. I don't know if I'll be able to do that with bigger blocks. Of course, if your baby needs more supplementing than mine, you save a lot of money on bags if you freeze in larger quantities. Problem is you won't know until you get there.

Cheapest lansinoh bags I know of are at amazon.com.

I was given a short-term sns by a hospital LC. I am not getting the superior lactaid. Since I need so little supplementation, the sns is a slower flow and better for my situation. I want as much stimulation from her as possible.

So, there is a baby out there...eventually. Ours came 3 months after we were certified. However, there were problems with the agency we first contacted, so she actually came 16 months after we started adoption classes.

Now that she's here, all the pumping was worth it.
post #36 of 308
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Originally Posted by mybabysmama View Post
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Get an appliance lock for your freezer. The cheap kind in the child safety section. We didn't put one on our freezer and lost half my stored milk when we went away for the weekend and the freezer hadn't been shut all the way. You can imagine my devastation.

Consider saving your milk in very small quantities. You don't know how much milk you'll make once you put the baby to breast. Turns out I only need to supplement with 1 or 2 ounces a day--and now not even that.
mybabysmama,
These are really great practical tips.

Here is some info on when you can re-freeze thawed milk. Sorry for the length but I think all of this info is necessary for making an informed decision and for trying to figure out if the milk is still good when you actually go to use it.

If anyone thinks this should be posted as a separate "sticky", let me know and I will look into that.

Some day I will try to find the link to Dr. Newberg's opinion. I think some would find it more reassuring to see the original email from him to a Milkshare member which was posted on their site.

The first link is to the Kellymom Guidelines (for healthy full-term babies, there are different guidelines for Preemies). As with most guidelines, it says you shouldn't re-freeze thawed breastmilk, without commenting on fully versus partially thawed. These guidelines are pretty widely accepted and comparable to any other reliable guidelines that I've seen.

They do mention the sniff/test taste (in general, not specifying refrigerated or frozen). Keep in mind that frozen milk can smell and possibly taste a little "off" anyway, so comparing it to fresh or refrigerated milk may mean throwing away milk that you might not need to; but unless you are familiar with what your frozen milk usually smells and tastes like you might want to err on the side of caution. On the other hand if it doesn't seem too bad you might take a calculated risk and try giving a small amount to baby --who is more familiar with it-- and see if he balks.

The second link is to a recent Mothering article that implies that you can re-freeze fully thawed milk.

The third link is to an article on food storage in general. The rule of thumb it gives is that you can re-freeze most anything that hasn't fully thawed.

Additionally, I found a MilkShare posting with an opinion on this topic from David S. Newburg, Ph.D., Director, Program in Glycobiology, Pediatric Gastroenterology & Nutrition, Massachusetts General Hospital: “My opinion is that if they are only partially thawed, there should be very little if any change to the milk upon refreezing, and that it will be fine for consumption.”

I think what seems to be the new rule of thumb combines the principles from the second two links. So it would seem that it is ok to re-freeze milk that hasn't fully thawed. If you really, really need the milk I would suggest re-freezing it all ASAP and put a special note on the milk that seemed fully thawed. When you go to use the milk I would give it the Kellymom sniff/taste test, especially the milk that seemed fully thawed.

When I had supply issues with DD1 I occasionally used the sniff/taste test with refrigerated milk that looked a little funky; and several times I did give her milk that seemed a little off but that she didn't seem to balk at (at least not too badly ). The alternative would have put me dangerously close to needing to supplement with formula at some point.

You don't have to decide now unless you are really tight on freezer storage. I would suggest marking the bags (F.Th = Fully Thawed and P.Th = Partially Thawed) and then see how you do pumping in the next several weeks.

If you take this approach there is one more point to consider, how to balance the possibly older questionable milk against the newer frozen milk. If you think that you are probably going to need the questionable milk then I would start using it now to increase the chances that it will still be "good" (rather than letting it age any longer than necessary).

Quote:
Breastmilk Storage & Handling
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/milkstorage.html
Quote:
Traveling With Breastmilk
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...reastmilk.html
EXCERPT
“The researchers took frozen breastmilk and thawed it, refroze it, refrigerated it and left it out at room temperature. Essentially, they beat it up. What did they find? Breastmilk is fairly robust and does not grow bacteria easily nor lose vitamins A and C or free fatty acids (FFA) to any degree that would harm a full term baby.”
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Quality for Keeps: Freezer Problem Solver http://extension.missouri.edu/xplor/...nut/gh1506.htm EXCERPT "Refreezing: In general, food can safely be refrozen only if it still contains ice crystals or if it has been at refrigerator temperature (40 degrees Fahrenheit) for no longer than two days. In addition, use the following guidelines: If foods are completely thawed and have warmed above room temperature, foods should not be refrozen. Discard these foods. …”
post #37 of 308
depressing to think maybe I could have saved my milk. However, it had been thawed several days, not just a few hours,

Oh well. My mom had a blood clot to her lung a couple days after the freezer accident. She could have died, had a stroke, etc. Instead she is fine. I like to think my milk was traded for her life. It makes it easier to survive the loss of so much milk.
post #38 of 308
mybabysmama,
Sorry. Didn't mean to make you feel bad.

Do you think the info I posted on re-freezing is worth trying to get posted as a sticky?

It's not a common question but common enough that it might be nice to have a comprehensive answer that's easy to point moms towards. It might help salvage some milk.

~Cath
post #39 of 308
Thread Starter 
bump.

Im still waiting for our baby. Im good with waiting. My best friend just lost her baby. There was a reason why we are waiting so long.

My milk supply has suffered this past week. I'm just maintaining what I have. Hopefully when the time is right, I can pump it up and get a good supply.
post #40 of 308
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Originally Posted by azedazobollis View Post
bump.

Im still waiting for our baby. Im good with waiting. My best friend just lost her baby. There was a reason why we are waiting so long.

My milk supply has suffered this past week. I'm just maintaining what I have. Hopefully when the time is right, I can pump it up and get a good supply.
How sad about your friend's baby.

I know the wait for your baby is incredibly long (no matter how short it is.) I know I didn't believe we'd really get a baby and now she's 11 weeks today. We had to wait for the final dad search, which was done last Monday. We should be finalizing in mid-November. It's hard to believe I ever doubted she would come into our lives. She looks just like me and everyone says this is a "truly meant to be" scenario--as I think they all are.
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