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post #1 of 26
I know a little bit about Waldorf philosophy and am just starting to research Montessori.
Which one do you prefer and why?

Reading about all this is great but hearing personal accounts is invaluable.
Thank you,
peggy
post #2 of 26
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Waldorf vs, Montessori

Peggy, have you read this thread?
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&threadid=4518

It talks about Montessori (very generalized).

I think both have wonderful, peaceful, and encouraging opportunities for growth. The key is obviously to find the right teacher/and or environment.

post #3 of 26
I love waldorf education for so many things, but a few reasons that separate it from montessori are the physical toys/ environment in the classroom. My dd's kindergarten is beautiful, soft colors, toys made from wool, wood, shells, stones, nature is everywhere! The songs, storytelling, shunning of tv and tv characters, respecting and giving balance to all three parts of a being (head, heart and hands) the atmosphere is calm, the students are very respectful to one another as well as to adults. the kindergarten is all about imitation and creative play. The grades make learning fun (chanting math times tables, etc)
I don't know as much about montessori, but I l0VE waldorf!
post #4 of 26
Thank you LaLa and megangaia! I have lots of reading to do!!!

peggy
post #5 of 26
peggy
i went to monissori and waldorf. i definatly liked waldorf better because the acadimics seemed to flow and i wanted to learn whereas at monissori it almost seemed as if they were getting put on me forcefully.
the daughter of Queen Mamma
post #6 of 26
Thanks! The waldorf does seem gentler, but I have alot more reading to do!


peggy
post #7 of 26
What a topic! You may as well be asking the difference between blue and red! Please do read up because they are *very* different. The only similarities I have seen is the predominance of wooden objects in the classroom and the propensity to take their method very seriously! (And of course believe it's best!)

Montessori is very left-brained. Scientific and order-minded.

Waldorf is very right-brained. Artistic and concerned with inner experience.

These descriptions are from a mother who has been involved in Waldorf for a long time, but has been visiting a true Montessori school with her 4 year old and liked it.

Follow your heart. Whoops! Or your head!

Maybe... Follow your gut. (Yes, that's more neutral.)
post #8 of 26
I've investigated both as well - I think a lot of it has to do with the temperament of your child. I went to a Montessori school as a child, and I still remember the smells and touch of all the materials (baby, i can still build a Pink Tower as well as anyone).

My daughter is very social and yet very self-organized...I really think she would excel in a Montessori classroom. Montessori holds that children learn a lot between ages 0-6 - I read by the time I was 5, and have loved it ever since. I completely respect the more teacher-directed Waldorf method, but I really enjoyed the sense of self-direction that Montessori instilled, and hope my daughter does as well. After Montessori, I was homeschooled and later did "Unschooling" as a teen, and then went to a very independent college (Evergreen State).

Other children might thrive under more direction and leadership! It's good if the teacher lets you observe and have your child interact in the setting before forking over the dough!!!
post #9 of 26
Thank you. I love the Waldorf philosophies, but you're right, it's for my child not for me. I think she would do better with Montessori. She already is interested in reading and writing and learning to do everything for herself.

Thanks again everyone.

peggy
post #10 of 26
Peggy

My daughter never ceases to amaze me! She is 16 and gets on these boards on her own time as she seems very concerned about the negative talk about Waldorf. I just read her last post and as a mom I always wonder if I have done the right thing by my children. Especially her as she is the oldest by 10 years. She started out in Montesouri which seemed to me at the time as child dirrected academically focused. I was a mom focused on developing my daughters natural intelligence so the option of Waldorf did not apeal to me.

In kindergarden (a piblic school) she was identified as gifted and at my extreme pleasure was placed in the academic fast track of a public school which focused on math and science. By third grade we began to notice that something was missing in our child but we could not put our finger on it. In forth grade We realized her soul was clouded over by all the responsibilities of the education plan we had encouraged.

We were brought to Waldorf by a dear friend and fell in awe. We new right away that it was meant for Chelsea. The transformation she experienced over the next four years was nothing short of beautiful. By her own accounts you can see that she feels the same way whether able to verbalize it or not.

We have four adopted daughters all with traumatic infantcies and there is no doubt in our minds that they will attend Waldorf.

Good luck to you and your child.

Queen mamma
post #11 of 26
Oh my gosh! I didn't even notice it was signed the "daughter of queen mama". She is very articulate, I thought it was you! It seems as if you have done very well by your DD and she has done well for herself.
My conflict is this: Molly wants to learn to read, it seemed Waldorf discouraged this until around age 7. Maybe I misunderstood? I would love to hear more from your DD on this.

thanks!

peggy
post #12 of 26
Hey Peggy
the way I interpret the no reading thing is that yeah, they don't start teaching kids to read till they're 7, but my dd is 5 1/2, and we read at home. She's interested in it, so we have fun with it, and go with her flow! I know in her kindergarten when the kids ask the teacher how to spell words, she tells them. A lot of kids learn reading on their own or at home; they just don't focus on it in the classroom till they're older.
My opinion on waldorf is the kindergarten is wonderful. If you want to continue into 1st grade, I would make the commitment to stay till at least 3rd grade. that's when most kids are on par academically to other education styles. Understand what I mean? I think if you put your child in waldorf in 1st and 2nd grade, and then take him/her out, they might be "behind" others. Not to say they won't catch up right away. Plus, in waldorf, your child is educated in such a balanced way. they play recorder, they knit, they memorize poetry!!
There's a girl who just transferred to our waldorf school from a really strenuous academic school, and although she's ahead of some of the kids in reading and math, she's never played an instrument or molded beeswax characters or worked with tools.
So, I wouldn't worry about the reading. If your daughter's interested, read at home and enjoy it!

blessings, Megan
post #13 of 26
Peggy

I second what Megan said about the reading issue. Just relax and let what comes naturally to your dd. I was just at a kindergarden meeting last night and several parents were tlking about their kids who are starting to read and how that developed out of their own reading or the reading to children. Our two teachers just smiled and told of a prior studed who would come to shcool early (parents work schedule necessitated) with a bag of books and would sit in the quiet area of the classroom reading until the other kids came then would put her books away and go out to play.

Chelsea, my dd, had the most difficulty transitioning from public school in fifth grade with the creative parts of Waldorf. ie painting drawing, acting, and music. It took her about a year to catch up with the Waldorf students.

I would say the greatest gift Waldorf gives is letting the imagination develop before bringing on reading and other academic subjects. They really feel that early childhood is about dreaming and "being" rather than performing. As the child reaches 9 years old Waldorf begins to teach to where the child is at developmentally. They have moved from the dreamy state into theie heads. That is why it takes a little longer for the kids to "catch up" to public school. But is it really catching up when they are so much better prepared to take on the task of academics if we just give them the chance.

I have never heard a teacher discourage a child for academic advancement or talent. What I have noticed is that often that child will drag in other areas requiring left brain. So the teacher might focus in the classroom and encourage the parents to focus at home on activities to make the child more balanced.

Let your child read at her own pace don't be seduced into teaching her to read. That is my greatest difficulty with my 6 year old. She tells me all the time that she wants to read and at first I was tempted to "work" with her. Then I realsized, with a little help from her teacher that she was reading! All the make believe stories they tell while looking at the stories and all the repeating the story they have heard... Thats the beginning of reading. Once I told her "honey you are reading" she smiled and has been satisfied ever since. At her own pace she is learning letters and single words and soon she will put it all together. I don't have to teach her as she will be ready.

Between 7th and 8th grade Chelsea read "The Mists of Avalon". When she first went to Waldorf she hated reading because of the well meaning teachers at Montesorri. The teachers at Waldorf encouraged us to read to her all the required assignments and gradually let her share in the reading. The was counter to my academic focused mind but I had tried everything else. I of course was worried that she would never really read. This approach allowed her to relax, learn to enjoy the story and eventually take up the task on her own.

She is a 4.0 student but still sometimes stresses if the reading seems to daunting. I will put aside whatever I am doing and read to her. A great bonding time. I have no doubt that she coud do it. It works for both of us.

Anyway you have probably heard enough.

Blessings,

Ty
post #14 of 26
I would like to add that in Montessori, art and nature are also emphasized - depending on the individual school. In my elementary-aged Montessori school, emphasis was placed on nature walks, learning how to use naturally growing foods (herbs, dandelions, etc), growing a garden, and creating art with color pencils, crayons, watercolors, and oils, and trips to art museums and symphonies. It really does depend on the school and the philosophy of the director. Some schools *are* very regimented and academically focused, while others are not.

That said, emphasis was also placed on reading challenging materials (self-selected), spelling and grammar, French, the process of creation (i.e. process is as important as end result) and respecting individual choices within the interdependent nature of the class (i.e. children can choose whether to work alone or "share work" - a new concept even to our playgroup!).

It really depends on the nature of the child and the nature of the school - sounds like Queen Mamma's daughter felt pressured, while I loved it. It comes down to the individual teacher of the classroom, whether or not she is encouraging the child rather than pressuring them. You can definitely tell...

As an adult, the only comparison I can make is that Montessori feels very...Zen. Does that make sense? Although ol' Maria was anything but Buddhist...
post #15 of 26
My son currently attends a Montessori Charter school and is a kindergartener. His experience to date has been wonderful. Both schools are very different. There are things about both that I like and dislike.

For instance, Waldorf appears to be very Euro centered. I think teaching all the western fairy tales, etc is good, but there's not enough cultural diversity in the typical Waldorf curriculum to satisfy me. I LOVE the concept of expanding the imagination through arts, storytelling, etc during the early years though.

Montessori, on the other hand, sometimes is too structured for me. The curriculum is very academic and could at times use more just plain play time. The thing I really love about it is that Montessori traditionally stresses peace education and community building. Curriculums and how well they do it vary greatly from school to school so you need to check them out.
Darcy
post #16 of 26
wow-I'm not alone! I have been researching the 2 for quite some time and was definatley leaning towards Waldorf until I went to an Intro. Morning with DS. The teachers seemed a bit "spacey" and seemed to not want this inquisitive mom talking too much!! When the teacher read the stories and the kids stood up and pointed or interacted-she really ignored them, fiannly telling one "sit-I'm reading". I got the feeling they were into their stories Waldorf -ways...and not really looking at these little kids eyes.?? Very confusing , but these were 2-3 yr. olds--from my experience the teachers weren't "connecting" at all to the kids.

Just today I got back from my Montessori observation. The teachers were very affectionate and smiley while still "keeping watch". I was quite surprised I liked Montessori better, and I'm a birkenstock, vegetarian earth mama!! Now I'm even more confused!
post #17 of 26
A really great website that explains one approach to Montessori - and by the ways, has EXCELLENT ideas for some home-based Montessori exercises - is...

http://www.montessoriworld.org/praclife/pltoc.html

I too have been observing classrooms, and it is highly important to me that the teacher respects my daughter, her needs, and her interests as an individual, whether in preschool or regular schooling. It IS important to listen to your heart about these things, and how comfortable you feel, and what is right for YOUR family...I've been to all kinds of classrooms lately, and notice how if I feel uncomfortable, there is a good reason why (if I think about it later at home).

And, I would add, my mom is now a Montessori teacher in Dallas, TX public schools, and wears her Birkenstocks every day! We used to "walk on the circle" (ask the teacher) to Cat Stevens, when I went to Montessori. So these things aren't in opposition!

post #18 of 26
Lukesmum,

Not sure what kind of Waldorf school you were at, but I already question a couple of things.
1) Was the teacher reading to the children? This is very un-Waldorf. I have never seen an early childhood educator in a Waldorf school read a book to children. The stories are to be memorized by the teacher and then told from memory. This allows for eye-to-eye contact with and a soul-connection to, the children as she tells the story.
2) Was the story so long or dreamy that the 2-3 yr-olds were bored and began to get up and try to converse with the teacher and one another? Stories told to the younger set are usually short and fun- repetative and sing-songy.

It is true that story time is not a time to interact, and teachers will ignore non-harmful distractions like children asking questions or trying to talk to her, so the flow of the story is not disrupted. It is very different than when a mother reads a book to her child, and questions and comments can be addressed as they go.

I had to giggle a little when you said that the teachers seemed "spacey". Of course I don't know those particular teachers, but the feeling of the Waldorf Kindergartens I have worked in and visited do have a flowy, airy quality to them. Children are not singled out for conversations, unless there is an issue to be worked out. Teachers are usually silently working on "housekeeping" tasks or artistic activies as children play. The teachers main focus is on maintaining a positive flow in their play and presenting beauty in the form of songs, finger-plays, verses, stories and puppet shows.

The Waldorf Kindergarten can seem a bit strange for parents or children who are used to chatting a lot and living in a very stimmulated, "awake" environment. Waldorf leaves awakening to happen gradually in the grades.
post #19 of 26

Can you recommend a book?

Can anybody recommend a specific book/text to begin with when researching the Waldorf philosophy and Anthroposophy (sp?).

Some of you mamas seem to know quite a bit about it and I'm sure there's a lot of reading out there so I'd like some direction on where to begin.

Thanks so much,
Mary
post #20 of 26
Gladly,

There is a book called "Waldof Education: A Family Guide" available from Michaelmas Press.

Some people go straight to the writings of Steiner (the creator of Waldorf Education and biodynamic farming). But if you go to the Steiner stuff first, you may get very confused. It is heavy heavy reading.

Unfortunately, you won't find many books about Waldorf Ed or Rudolf Steiner at your local library- that is part of what makes Waldorf seem so mysterious. Look anyway and make requests- librarians love to provide what patrons are looking for (so says my mom).

http://www.waldorfshop.net/michaelmaspress/guide5.htm

Good Luck!
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