Has anyone cured systemic candida with TF? - Page 2

[CrunchyFarmGirl]

Originally Posted by vegmom

Can you talk more about them? What is "gut and psychology syndrome". I suffer from serious anxiety and just realized that it could possibly be yeast related.

I bought them at Whole Foods, but I think they are an exclusive thing, so if you don't have a WF's by you, you'd have to order them. Also the woman that wrote Gut and Psychology Syndrome (GAPS) was part of the creation of Bio-Kult probiotic that also has the soil bacteria. I have never used those before though. I haven't seen any other brands out there that have the soil bac.

In GAPS she talks a lot about the relationship of gut health and psychiatric problems like depression, autism, adhd and a whole list of others. She says the gut is like the second brain really. The book is totally focused on healing the gut, which includes candida. But I would think that you could do lots to try and kill out candida and still not be healing the gut, and then would never reach optimal health. Her diet recommendations were no grains, no dairy, no starchy veggies (potato, yam, sweet potato) and of course no sugar, no chemicals, processed crap etc. She recommends eating animal fat and protein, fruit, veggies, celtic sea salt, raw honey and fermented veggies. She explains how it's important to avoid complex carbohydrates but that mono sugars like those found in fruit and honey are okay and won't stop gut healing. Although she did recommend going light on those in the beginning if trying to get rid of yeast, but not needing to eliminate them completely. The bigger thing was to get rid of complex carbs. like potatoes and grains, and dairy. And she mentioned the importance of the soil bacteria to recolonize the gut, like it might not ever truly happen without it. I think in days gone by we would have gotten this from gardening and eating root veggies from the garden with little washing.

My own health status is a bit blinded by my heavy metal toxicity, but I do think it's making a difference. I had diarhea, gas (extra super dooper potent kind ) cramps, foggy thinking for about a week after starting it, and it's all now starting to go away. On the bottle is says its not formulated for kids. I'm not sure why and I'd really like to know. I'd love to be able to give this to my kids to wipe out their yeast. The same company makes a kids probiotic but it doesn't have the soil bacteria. Maybe the Bio-Kult one is okay for kids...

[vegmom]

Originally Posted by bluebell

vegmom where does the quote about acetaldehyde and dopamine come from? is there more about it?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-of-death.aspx

You can do a search on the site. I found an article about soy and brain damage when I searched dopamine. I did not read it though. Its a bit late here.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...soy-brain.aspx

It is something I will look into though. A veg friend has two girls who are extremely sensitive and have blow ups that can shatter your ear drums. Its hard to talk to her about food suggestions that might help them. She understands gluten is probably a trigger but won't eliminate it because it is such a huge part of their diet.

Well I have BTDT too. There is a breaking point when you just can't tolerate it. Thats were I am at with this darn Candida

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Hi Janice!

Yes, it was those sausages! I could not figure out what the heck I ate that caused such a huge reaction. I was reading Dr. Atkins books and it mentioned only eating sugar free sausages. The sausages were the only thing that did not have a label. If you could check the ingredients again I would love that. My family loved them a lot! DD1 ate 2 in one sitting! And those are huge sausages.


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[vegmom]

=CrunchyFarmGirl;11988620]
Her diet recommendations were no grains, no dairy, no starchy veggies (potato, yam, sweet potato) and of course no sugar, no chemicals, processed crap etc. She recommends eating animal fat and protein, fruit, veggies, celtic sea salt, raw honey and fermented veggies. She explains how it's important to avoid complex carbohydrates but that mono sugars like those found in fruit and honey are okay and won't stop gut healing. Although she did recommend going light on those in the beginning if trying to get rid of yeast, but not needing to eliminate them completely. The bigger thing was to get rid of complex carbs. like potatoes and grains, and dairy. And she mentioned the importance of the soil bacteria to recolonize the gut, like it might not ever truly happen without it. I think in days gone by we would have gotten this from gardening and eating root veggies from the garden with little washing.

My own health status is a bit blinded by my heavy metal toxicity, but I do think it's making a difference. I had diarhea, gas (extra super dooper potent kind ) cramps, foggy thinking for about a week after starting it, and it's all now starting to go away.

Is cultured dairy out as well?

I have seen such a huge difference in digestion when eliminating fruits and honey. The only times my tummy acts up is if I feel like I am going through a die off phase. In another thread i posted a chart about the amount of fructose and sucrose that food has. Honey has almost has a double amount then compared to a chocolate bar. I am trying to learn all this stuff about sugars and how they effect our bodies. I just know that once I stopped eating fruit the bloating went away.

[summerlilies]

Speaking of soil -- has anyone tried EM (Effective Microorganisms) - apparently you can brew it yourself and it is really cheap. I heard about EM through Vinny Pinto.

[covertlycrunchy]

Sorry, I haven't read all the posts yet but I've had wonderful results with applying coconut oil topically. I came about it accidentally while looking for something I could use for perineal massage, I thought that since coconut oil is also an anti fungal it would help with that as well. I'd tried applying yogurt topically for awhile and while it helped (actually eating it seemed to be the best in terms of effectiveness for me) it didn't really clear it up either. But coconut oil worked *really* well. It isn't totally gone but it's hardly noticeable now.

HTH.

[CrunchyFarmGirl]

Originally Posted by vegmom

Is cultured dairy out as well?

I think she recommends avoiding it in the first stages and then adding it back later in a cultured/ raw form if it seems to be tolerated.

[moneca]

Some people have a relatively easy time overcoming yeast issues with diet limitation and addition of probiotics, but some can eat strict SCD and take massive amounts of probiotics without much benefit. Ever wonder what the difference is?
I truly believe that we have to look at what caused the yeast imbalance. If the reason is poor diet (SAD with animal products laden with antibiotic residue) without probiotics or heavy oral antibiotic/steroid use then strict SCD with probiotic supplementation should heal the gut and restore balance of gut ecology over time. Healing the gut is not a quick thing.
However, I've found through experience that toxins can cause much bigger problems than can be handled with diet and probiotic supplementation. I've read Gut and Psychology Syndrome. I think it is an excellent book, but really have a hard time believing her mention that healing the gut can take care of mercury detox (not her exact words, of course) making chelation unnecessary.
Here is my daughter's story with yeast in brief :

She started with yeast rashes at 4mo under her chin. She also was ftt, horrible intake, and vomited frequently. No matter what we did we couldn't get rid of the yeast rashes. By 18 mo she developed a weepy eczema behind her ears that flared and wept horribly with any food containing fructose/glucose.
She went on STRICT SCD/TF for 4 months (was not bf) including raw 24 hour yoghurt several times per day. Very slight brief improvement in gi symptoms (like 2 days). No improvement for the rest of the four months with gi or yeast.
It took me another 6 months to figure out her issue might be mercury toxicity and another year before I could figure out how to try to remove it in a safe manner for her (stomach motility was horribly slowed down and all oral chelation is time dependent due to the need to keep constant levels in the body for safety). I tried to chelate her at that point with a toxicologist, but mobilizing the mercury aggravated the gastritis so badly that we had to quit.
All this time she only had one sprouted grain product during the day and NO fruit or high fructose veggies at all. ANY ingestion of these would cause her reddened slightly weepy ears to worsen immed. Her diet was 70% raw yoghurt with just meat and no carb veggies for the rest of the day. It had been this way for about 2 years because that is all she could tolerate from a yeast standpoint. She was on a ton of probiotics and a couple beneficial yeasts along with the raw probiotics.
When she was 3 1/2 yo we finally found a NAET/acupuncturist who was able to remove the mercury energetically (trust me, my eyes were rolled in the back of my head the first time I left the office). I would have never believed him after all my research into chelation and toxins if I had not seen miracles in my daughter. After two months of bi-weekly treatments he had removed enough mercury that her diet was unlimited (strict TF of course esp. soaked or sd grains) and she could have low sugar fruits and agave without causing eczema behind her ears!
It took another 7 months of treatments to resolve all the mercury issues with her stomach. She eats whatever she wants in the TF realm including spoons of raw honey and homemade ice cream without ANY issues. She eats properly prepared grains all the time.
All this to make the point that sometimes finding the cause for the yeast imbalance and dealing with it can cure the yeast issue rather quickly. Mercury toxicity causes yeast to be uncontroled. For us, nothing but removing the mercury would touch the yeast. I really believe that a gut in balance does not have yeast overgrowth from having a normal amount of grains or honey, papaya, whatever. I'm not saying that anyone here has mercury issues, just want to point out how critical it can be to gut healing to find the cause of your yeast imbalance if you're not responding well to diet changes and addition of probiotics.
By the way, most people think mercury toxicity in children is accompanied by behavioral, mental, and emotional abnormalities. You would never have known anything was wrong with my dd other than she was skinny and didn't like to eat. She never had sleep issues either.

[CrunchyFarmGirl]

moneca,
what does the NAET stand for? I'd like to take my kids to someone like that. Is that the only thing you had to do for her to get rid of the mercury? Both my kids have high lead, mercury and copper (and so do I) and I've just started Andy Cutler's protocol, but I hadn't started with the kids yet. My oldest has all the digestive/ absorption troubles and I never thought about how she might not absorb the chelators properly to make it safe.

I agree with you on the lack of symptoms for some kids. I never would have tested my youngest for metals if my ASD daughter hadn't tested high. And yet, my youngest ended up having higher levels than anyone else in the family and she has NO symptoms whatsoever.

[SAmama]

Quick off topic question, Moneca, if you could do it all over again, would you only do NAET for yourself as well, instead of the whole chelation process?

[bluebell]

wow moneca your story is so interesting thanks for posting it. did you get you dd tested for heavy metals? if so how? i got my dd tested by having a hair mineral anyalasis and she didn't test high in any, but we have yeast problems/gut problems and are doing GAPS diet. i'm wondering if we should get another type of test done perhaps the hair test isn't so accurate.

[mbravebird]

What an interesting story, moneca. How did you know to eventually look for mercury exposure, and where did it come from? How about you, CrunchyFarmGirl?

Amazing about the NAET, and the yeast connection with mercury. Firefaery explained that connection in some thread recently, but your story really drives it home. Thanks for sharing...

[CrunchyFarmGirl]

Originally Posted by mbravebird

What an interesting story, moneca. How did you know to eventually look for mercury exposure, and where did it come from? How about you, CrunchyFarmGirl?

Amazing about the NAET, and the yeast connection with mercury. Firefaery explained that connection in some thread recently, but your story really drives it home. Thanks for sharing...

My oldest has mild Autism and so we tested her, and then I wanted the whole family to be tested to see if it might be environmental or my body passing it to them etc. (they are unvaccinated). It points to the mercury probably coming from my body and the lead and copper is probably environmental.