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post #101 of 319
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I'm totally fascinated, too! Leilalu, I hope you're settling in well with the move...I'm in the same boat (sort of), nursing a wee one, chasing a toddler and just returning from a long vacation to the USA from our temporary home, Australia...too much going on right now - must breathe.

I just think all of this would be a little easier if we all lived in teepees, on the plains, while the men hunt for buffalo and we pray that no one gets hit with an arrow...the women shuck corn (the non-GMO kind) and the kids play in the dirt...diaperless...so I don't have to worry about potty training. But that's another story.


I am SO there with you on the teepee thing! I think I need another trip to the bush somewhere in Africa to set me straight. Us Americans with all our stuff, right?
post #102 of 319
this thread has been so educational!! i have a question though...when eating probiotic foods, do you transfer the beneficial bacteria and yeast through your breastmilk? i always thought you did so it would be good for the baby suffering from yeast issues if the mother was eating probiotic foods but then someone told me you don't transfer beneficial bacteria through your breastmilk...so i don't know what to think, but then how do you treat a yeastie baby w/o giving them something else directly, or can you?
post #103 of 319
breastmilk inherently has probiotics, but you don't pass the specific strains that you are ingesting. Better in most cases to treat the babe directly IMO.
post #104 of 319
So what gets transferred? I had a breast infection last week, and am wondering what about the whole thing I passed on to ds. Was I passing part of the infection through the milk? Forgive how ignorant this sounds. After this thread I am a bit confused.

How do our bodies go about transferring our good bacteria to the milk?
post #105 of 319
breastmilk is made from blood, and what is found in your bloodstream is what is transferred. That includes the antibodies that are present as well. Does that answer your question?

By the way, it isn't an ignorant question at all.
post #106 of 319
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I just think all of this would be a little easier if we all lived in teepees, on the plains, while the men hunt for buffalo and we pray that no one gets hit with an arrow...the women shuck corn (the non-GMO kind) and the kids play in the dirt...diaperless...so I don't have to worry about potty training. But that's another story.
You speak from my head! This sounds like heaven to me. Where in Oz are you? I'm an Aussie, married to a 'merican, living in Oz.

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this thread has been so educational!! i have a question though...when eating probiotic foods, do you transfer the beneficial bacteria and yeast through your breastmilk? i always thought you did so it would be good for the baby suffering from yeast issues if the mother was eating probiotic foods but then someone told me you don't transfer beneficial bacteria through your breastmilk...so i don't know what to think, but then how do you treat a yeastie baby w/o giving them something else directly, or can you?
I agree with Faery that giving them to babe is best if you aren't sure how your breast milk is for probiotics. We colonise the baby's gut with our breast milk but this is subject to us being in balance and symbiosis. A yeast heavy mama will usually just give baby oral thrush . Not funny really. The strains you give will depend on the age. Babies have different gut flora that slowly matures into different strains. I have a probiotic, dairy free, for newborns to three months.

However, to be a broken record, I believe what helped my DS was yeast killing first. You see, I knew probiotics helped eczema so I was giving them to him for weeks and weeks with absolutely NO benefit. Then I realised that even in a little tot I'd first have to wipe the bowel wall clean of the clinging yeast BEFORE those probiotics could stick! They were just in one end and out the other, having no where to stick in my poor over colonised little guy. After a few little tricks to kill them off, the probiotics could stick and he was healed.

Yeast and bacteria "hook" onto the lining of the bowel wall. They line up as a defense, so bad bacteria have nowhere to hook into. When bacteria are killed off, there are all these spaces left on that lining and yeast go nuts taking over, hooking in and pretending to be immune cells! They have so many tricks, including changing their receptors and outer shell. They are really hard to remove. Putting probiotics into your system, even that small number that survive the journey through the acid and alkaline conditions of digestion, is all but pointless. There's no room. And candida has changed the gut pH in their favour so they don't survive the gut anymore anyway.

Acidify acidify acidify. Kill kill kill.



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So what gets transferred? I had a breast infection last week, and am wondering what about the whole thing I passed on to ds. Was I passing part of the infection through the milk? Forgive how ignorant this sounds. After this thread I am a bit confused. I am assuming you can pass on whatever you are cultured with?
WHat did you pass on, a bacterial infection? That's rare if not impossible through breast milk. You would have given it to him another way, the general way we pass things to each other. But breast milk is designed to be free of pathogens (except good ol' yeast, which gets into EVERYTHING, and literally claws its way into the milk ducts!). You can't pass on your gut flora. But you do pass on prebiotics (elements to help good bacteria grow) and apparently probiotics, but of the appropriate strain for baby. You also pass on stem cells and all kindsa miraculous stuff to help with infection and colonisation.

I have also heard of cultures that feed babies kefir and other fermented drinks, full of microorganisms. They live to like 140 years old so even though it's alcoholic it's not doing a bad job on these kids.
post #107 of 319
Oh, cross post. Yeah that.
post #108 of 319
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breastmilk is made from blood, and what is found in your bloodstream is what is transferred. That includes the antibodies that are present as well. Does that answer your question?

By the way, it isn't an ignorant question at all.
yes, it does answer my question, and makes sense

I forgot the bit about it being made up of what is in our blood....duh.
post #109 of 319
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
breastmilk is made from blood, and what is found in your bloodstream is what is transferred. That includes the antibodies that are present as well.
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
WHat did you pass on, a bacterial infection? That's rare if not impossible through breast milk. You would have given it to him another way, the general way we pass things to each other. But breast milk is designed to be free of pathogens (except good ol' yeast, which gets into EVERYTHING, and literally claws its way into the milk ducts!).

So...uh...to go waaay more OT, can I ask what you two think about Borrelia burgdorferi passing through breastmilk? I know the bacteria has been cultured from BM, but that doesn't mean it survives the stomach acid of the nursling...
post #110 of 319
Ugh. I seriously dislike this question (though it *should be asked!!!!)

The official stance so far as I know is that the Borrelia burgdorferi does NOT pass through the breastmilk. However the DNA can and supposedly does. Since in this situation it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if it has already been transmitted (assuming it can be though we don't know for sure) really the best bet is to continue to breastfeed if you have been exposed because though you may be transmitting it, you will also be transmitting the antibodies. A baby receiving breastmilk will always have a better change in my opinion. If I were diagnosed tomorrow I would continue breastfeeding no hesitation.

Biggest risks in my mind would be (as with AIDS) in mixed feedings. IF formula were being introduced for this reason (or for others) I don't know that I would breastfeed alongside giving formula. With what I know about immunology I would not risk it.
post #111 of 319
this is an interesting read.
post #112 of 319
I don't know enough about Borrelia burgdorferi to comment on it specifically. To my knowledge the breast milk is not sterile, in that it contains good microorganisms and occasionally bad ones, but that "infection", or illness from a pathogen is very rare. I guess it is due to the other elements in the milk. I skimmed Leilalu's link there and that seems to make sense to me. Good article, btw.

If I ever drank another mammal's milk, which I generally don't, but if I DID, I would certainly not drink pasturised milk! Pathogens or not.
post #113 of 319
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post

If I ever drank another mammal's milk, which I generally don't, but if I DID, I would certainly not drink pasturised milk! Pathogens or not.
ITA.
post #114 of 319
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
A baby grown in the body of a yeast infested mama is also going to be subclinically deficient in certain nutrients.
I would like more info on this please. Specifically what nutrients and any other pertinent info.

Thanks to ALL who have contributed to this thread. I have a mouthful of silver fillings and yeast from living hell. It was living in my skin (groin and arpits--my skin was flaming red and coming off in sheets) thru my pregnancy with ds and of course we both have thrush and are using nystatin to knock it down. I'm trying to figure out what I can do to get on top of it and stay there.

Do you think if I bought a bag of organic garden soil from the store, it would really be beneficial? It's alot more economic than Primal Defense!
post #115 of 319
Having it "stay gone" is so hard. It's a lifetime's work, I would imagine, to stay on top of it. I'd just put a candida cleanse on my health routine once a month or more for life and you should be fine. It has been advised to me to avoid supplements when yeast killing because they are at the first line, they get them first. You only make them stronger with supps apparently. I'm in two minds about that advice at the moment.

I was just reading more about it and they put candida into mouths of mice and the body fought off almost all of it, but some stayed behind. This candida stayed in the body of the mice forever, even though it wasn't there before. The immune system simply can't eradicate it ALL. Some always stays. And it is due to this ability to evade the immune cells. That's the problem with these guys. So that as soon as opportunity presents itself, they grow out of control again. For most people, they just live with an infestation and don't even know it is the root of all their health woes.

So we can't seem to rid ourselves of it, at this time, completely. But we can prevent an infestation or overgrowth. Keeping an acidic bowel, keeping good bacteria flowing through, avoiding antibiotics and antibiotic foods and chemicals, avoiding yeast growth foods, etc. As much as possible and still maintain a quality of life.

Regarding the soil eating, it's new to me so I can't say. It sounds interesting. I immediately wondered about Legionnaire's disease, but perhaps that's just an issue if you breathe the soil into the lungs as opposed to eating it. I know we miss out on an essential bunch of nutrients due to our bacteria depleted soils. Such as vegetarians and B12 - they have to supplement cos the bacteria isn't on the plant foods anymore, and that's where they would ordinarily get it.
post #116 of 319
BTW, the title of this thread: Candida is a helper, it's keeping you healthy. I'd like to know on what basis she says this. I'd ask her myself but I've never heard of her before and don't know where she is.
post #117 of 319
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
this is an interesting read.
Yes, good article - I think I have it in an issue of WT.

Thanks for the opinions ladies, now back to candida.
post #118 of 319
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
BTW, the title of this thread: Candida is a helper, it's keeping you healthy. I'd like to know on what basis she says this. I'd ask her myself but I've never heard of her before and don't know where she is.
She is NY. You can ask her yourself if you can get through to her. She has an open phone line every Tuesday night. Her number is on her website.
post #119 of 319
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Am update on the way I am eating... The same diet as before. The yeast didn't stay away though. It came back a few times, but it was almost unnoticeable. I am going to check out the dirt thing more and take that too. The rashes I talked about that my dd has are actually shrinking. That is the ultimate news!
post #120 of 319
Woot!
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