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post #121 of 319
Not to turn the thread all religious, but in the Bible Jesus spit in the mud and put it in a mans eyes... makes me wonder what sort of thing he had that he lost his sight and was cured with some dirt.
That's in John 9:6. I believe.
post #122 of 319
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Acidophilus and other probiotics – these should be taken after the permeability issue has been addressed. If you take microbes while the gut is leaking, they will end up in the bloodstream and cause rashes and other issues.
http://www.askshelley.com/faq.php?p=default&cat=38#a25

Just posting bits as I find them.
post #123 of 319
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
So, does this apply to just supplements, or to probiotic cultures as well? That is to say, am I making things worse by drinking kefir & kombucha??
post #124 of 319
I'm just so excited that Susan Weed contacted you directly with her suggestions. I say try it for a couple of weeks and see what happens! You've been suffering long enough, a couple of weeks won't kill you and if it cures - WOW!!

Good luck and I hope you are good as new very soon :-)
post #125 of 319
I would so love more info on drinking dirt too!

Kombucha made me worse too. I am currently on the candida healing program on www.healingnaturallybybee.com along with that I had some neurotransmitter testing done and am WAY off where I should be www.neuroscienceinc.com so I add they reccomended supplements to my regime. I also figured out I have a biotin deficenticeny and have added large doses. AND I just got back hormone results and I am borderline on estrogen, testorone but severly low on prosterone and was told to start on 20 mg a day of natural progterone but have not found one yet that I like the base cream off.

I am a double gene celiac. I am bf a 22 month who I think I have beat his yeast using the first program I mentioned.

I have severe constipation which my pa reccomended 4000mg of omega3 in one dose first thing in the morning. I can get things going with LOTS of magnesium and vit c but then I hit the other end of the spectrum, diaherrea.

So if drinking dirt would help I would go buy it today! Besides someone had said early do what you are drawn to and everytime I think of drinking dirt my mouth waters(scary and weird). My only thoughts are aren't some prepackaged dirt sterilized? and what about parasites? I need to go google this drinking dirt thing.

I have also read on curezone.com about using the stool of a new baby to colonized the intestine but where do you find a baby who has healthy flora when the estimates are 70-%80 of all people have yeast?

Kara
post #126 of 319
PS I also have low adernal function, symptoms of chronic fatique and Fybromyglia(sp?)
post #127 of 319
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Originally Posted by alwaystazfan View Post
AND I just got back hormone results and I am borderline on estrogen, testorone but severly low on prosterone and was told to start on 20 mg a day of natural progterone but have not found one yet that I like the base cream off.
I quoted you to say that adrenal support would probably benefit you & then I saw your next post:

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Originally Posted by alwaystazfan View Post
PS I also have low adernal function, symptoms of chronic fatique and Fybromyglia(sp?)
Supporting the adrenals will help to even out your sex hormones. Here's the deal: your body needs fat & cholesterol. Your body converts cholesterol directly into pregnenolone which is the king/queen of hormones at the top of the hormonal cascade. Pregnenolone is then converted into sex hormones like estrogen, testosterone, progesterone, etc. & adrenal hormones like cortisol & DHEA.
My ND who specializes in adrenal fatigue put me on a raw glandular adrenal support supplement as well as bioidentical pregnenolone. Women should take pregnenolone rather than DHEA because the latter can cause masculanizing side effects.
The body can most often direct the pregnenolone where it's needed - convert it into cortisol for the adrenals if that's the priority or boost estrogen is that's more important - if you directly supplement progesterone, it may not be your body's priority, kwim?

There's a huuuuuuge adrenal thread in H&H here.

My ND believes that CFS/Fibro is a double-sided coin caused by adrenal fatigue. One of my symptoms that still persists is muscle pain, but the dread-horror anxiety that I've suffered with since I was a kid just up & disappeared after about 10 months of adrenal support.
post #128 of 319
I eat a high fat high protein diet so I get lots of cholestrol.

Where do you get the bioidentical pregnenolone? and how much would I take if she is reccomending 20mg daily of bioidentical progestrone? I fully understand what you mean about the bodies prorioty!

I have friend who noticed that whe I consume large quanities of liver pate I do better so I am ordering some for sept from the local amish deliver.

Alot of my aniexty disappeared when I went gluten free then some more with killing yeast but I still struggle with social aniexty quite a bit so it would be nice for that to disappear too.

DS is calling for me more later

Thanks
Kara
post #129 of 319
Thread Starter 
So I ate tons of fresh fruit (with the skins on) from the farmers market yesterday, and today the yeast symptoms are almost gone. I did take some colloidal silver too. So confusing, so confusing.
post #130 of 319
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Originally Posted by WuWei
Curious, washed or unwashed?

I still worry about ecoli from public sources. But I quit washing produce from our own garden.

Did anyone determine the parasite risks to eating dirt yet?

And do they do toxin level testing for lead, etc for Primal Defense? Is that the only commercial source of supplemental dirt?

My husband vetoed dirt capsules. For himself.


Pat

ETA: Well, I'm doing a bit of research on the Primal Defense option. Basically, it is only 12 micro-organisms, only common probiotics are listed. The theory is that we have denatured our soil and sterilized our food, and contaminated it with herbicides, pesticides and antibiotics. So they use unpolluted soil and plant material in a lab. Couldn't find any reports about toxin testing though.
http://www.tuberose.com/Probiotics.html
http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education..._PrimDef.shtml

Another adjunct they recommend is large amounts of water. So, that may be a variable in a healthier gut, also.

Apparently, Primal Defense has wheat grasses and chlorella in it. Chlorella is contraindicated with mercury issues, I've read.

Additionally, BioKult seems a similar product without the grasses or chlorella. http://www.nutrivene.com/view_item.php?ProductID=226&

I've read that Consumer Reports did a study on live active cultures of probiotics in yogurts and the Primal Defense yogurt had some of the lowest viable cultures still present. This is an old study, however.

I think I'll just go to an unpolluted National Park and collect some soil. I can't imagine that a "capsule" worth of unpolluted soil consumed on a periodic basis will do harm. Considering we evolved consuming some quantities of dirt.


Pat
post #131 of 319
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Curious, washed or unwashed?

I still worry about ecoli from public sources. But I quit washing produce from our own garden.

Did anyone determine the parasite risks to eating dirt yet?

And do they do toxin level testing for lead, etc for Primal Defense? Is that the only commercial source of supplemental dirt?

My husband vetoed dirt capsules. For himself.


Pat
I did not wash the produce. It was organic and also since it was local and I know the farmers, I am not worried about washing it.
post #132 of 319
Until I figure out the dirt issue I have started to try -Graphic info coming be prepared- Saurkraut juice enemas. I did a smal retention one last nite and today I added about 1.5 cups to a full enema. of course you strain it first and do not add to really hot water becuase that'll kill it.

Well today I have more energy and I was able to nap for over 2 hours(naps are really hard for me to gets because my brain does not calm down) when I woke my abdomen felt all warm and very mild discomfort but I felt like it was healing!! So instead of using regular water enemas that can strip the system I am going to keep using the fermented cabbage juice. I need to get some more cabbage and make this recipe to use so I do not over due on salt:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/pre1.php

And just a thought....
We get lots of minerlas from wet course sea salt. Could that be the dirt?
post #133 of 319
Good on you for the enemas. I have heard good things about probiotic enemas, which would be in the rhelm of sauerkraut ones. Keep me posted on that.
post #134 of 319
Calm, I was wondering how long you took the Nystatin for. I have one bottle of drops for dd, but nothing for myself and I think I need to work with both of us, not just her. I am actually thinking that I need to get rid of it in myself while I am working on getting her liver in better condition. That way I don't overwhelm her with my die-off the same time as dealing with her own.

Also, why Nystatin and not fluconazole? We cannot find Nystatin here, but can find fluconazole. I know it is absorbed in the blood more and is supposed to deal with systemic issues, so maybe because it will get in my milk? But what about it for dd? I will do more research about it, but wondered if anybody knows something about it. If fluconazole isn't good, then I will just wait until we can get some Nystatin brought in.

Anyway, just wondering about this.
post #135 of 319
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Originally Posted by SAmama View Post
Calm, I was wondering how long you took the Nystatin for. I have one bottle of drops for dd, but nothing for myself and I think I need to work with both of us, not just her. I am actually thinking that I need to get rid of it in myself while I am working on getting her liver in better condition. That way I don't overwhelm her with my die-off the same time as dealing with her own.

Also, why Nystatin and not fluconazole? We cannot find Nystatin here, but can find fluconazole. I know it is absorbed in the blood more and is supposed to deal with systemic issues, so maybe because it will get in my milk? But what about it for dd? I will do more research about it, but wondered if anybody knows something about it. If fluconazole isn't good, then I will just wait until we can get some Nystatin brought in.

Anyway, just wondering about this.
I took it for over a fortnight and the only reason I stopped was because I was doing elimination diets for DS and then we did NAET allergy treatments. I am going back on it soon, when all other treatments are finished. DS was on it for less than a week, but the difference in just that amount of time was quite noticeable. I am REALLY angry that I can't get pure nystatin here (Aust) only the capsules (full of crap) and drops for kids (full of crap including colors and SUGAR! Ridiculous). I have called my chemist and she said to go to a compounding chemist to see if they have the pure stuff, so that's my next move. Otherwise I'm buying it from Canada. I can take the capsules but I'm not keen on DS on those horrible drops.

Fluc. has side effects and also affects certain enzymes functioning as yes, unfortunately it is absorbed. The reason nystatin is the naturopathic choice, even though it is not "natural" is because it isn't absorbed. It is true that it only will treat the digestive tract, BUT, you need to treat that anyway, and then the immune system will have half a chance of fighting it off elsewhere. And the secret to the skin war is that the fight in the gut is what causes the fight elsewhere. Balance the gut and the wars elsewhere cease or slow down.

Systemic candida is what AIDS and cancer patients often die of.

So much for "candida is keeping you healthy".

Systemic candida can be fought off in most of us without such compromised immunity, as soon as the gut is rid of the toxic load of yeast.

The secret to successful use, aside from the use of an antifungal diet, is to take the nystatin and probiotics at the same time.

(ALWAYS take nystatin at the same time as antibiotics!)

I started treating DS with probiotics as I knew they are the key to him regaining health, but nothing happened. And this is a common reaction - disappointment with probiotics as we wonder what the rave is all about.

Then I did the nystatin, again, to no avail. What happened there was a miracle, literally overnight. The third day of his trial dosage and I gave him a half a ml of the drops. He screamed for five hours straight about three hours later. He had terrible tummy discomfort. I felt terrible, and didn't do that again, BUT, the next day...His skin cleared, he was laughing and happy, he slept well, he was a new little man.

But I couldn't deal with that die off, I just couldn't do it to him. But I made a stupid error, I didn't give him probiotics. I just killed the yeast. And within a day or two, all the bowel wall was taken up by yeast again, and his skin broke apart again, and the yeast war was again raging on his scalp.

So the lesson in that is what I have since learned in literature and research: probiotics are all but worthless if there is no space on the bowel wall. Nystatin is effective, but yeast will grow back into those spaces if you don't fill them in with good bacteria. So the KEY is to:

take nystatin WHILE taking probiotics.

So the yeast die, and in their place go good guys. Following? The other ways just waste time.
post #136 of 319
Agreed, when I use Nystatin (or when we use it) I order from Canada or the UK and get powder. You then use the powder to custom create your own suspension thus avoiding all the additives and creating a more pure product.

Again, I don't use it frequently, but this is the only way I advocate it's usage. IMO it's a way better bet.
post #137 of 319
But if you have a leaky gut couldn't the nystatin then get through?

I ask because if I take 1/2 teaspoon first thing in the morning then I can bare it but if I do even smaller doses throughout the day then I feel awful. I felt like it was getting through to my liver some how. I was not taking probiocs at the same time though. Does that help with the die off reaction and do you literally take it with the nystatin are wait a few hours inbetween?

Update:***Graphic***
I added a magnesium flush last nite on top of the saurkraut juice enema. I saw some black things shaped like a C floating in the toliet. I do not remember eating anything that shape or color. Would this have been parasites? If so any idea which one? I had been dxed with lyme about 6 yrs ago and am wonder if this could be a left behind co-infection. I have read about vit c and salt treatment for co-infections. So maybe between the acidic nature of the saurkraut, the salt, and the probiotic value I knocked the hell out of them!? Either way I am feeling SO much better without die off! That I am going to do small dose of retained saurekraut juice everyday and then on the 3-4 day(inc the mag flush and increased vit c). I will do a regular one with watered down juice like I did yesterday. I think I will keep this regime for about 2 wks and see how I do. Which means I need to go buy more cabbage today and order more salt too. Gotta go.
post #138 of 319
I just found this and I thought I'd share:

Hookworm larvae penetrate the skin. When hookworms reach adulthood, they can sap the victim's strength, vitality and overall well-being. Young worms use their teeth to burrow through the intestinal wall and feed on your blood. Symptoms from hookworm are iron deficiency, abdominal pain, loss of appetite, craving to eat soil, protein deficiency, dry skin and hair, skin irritations, edema, distended abdomen, stunted growth, delayed puberty, mental dullness, cardiac failure and death. (1/2 inch long)

from: http://www.appliedozone.com/parasites.html

I thought the eat dirt part was very interesting. But this was not what I saw in the bowl.
post #139 of 319
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Originally Posted by alwaystazfan View Post
I just found this and I thought I'd share:

Hookworm larvae penetrate the skin. When hookworms reach adulthood, they can sap the victim's strength, vitality and overall well-being. Young worms use their teeth to burrow through the intestinal wall and feed on your blood. Symptoms from hookworm are iron deficiency, abdominal pain, loss of appetite, craving to eat soil, protein deficiency, dry skin and hair, skin irritations, edema, distended abdomen, stunted growth, delayed puberty, mental dullness, cardiac failure and death. (1/2 inch long)

from: http://www.appliedozone.com/parasites.html

I thought the eat dirt part was very interesting. But this was not what I saw in the bowl.
Hmmm.... that's a lot of fear-mongering, but fear sells ozone machines -- I have nothing against ozone machines we (well DH) has had them for many years. To have those kinds of [healing] symptoms you have to have a "toxic" body. Parasites have a purpose and that purpose is to digest and dispose of diseased cells to assist our bodies to return to a state of optimal health and balance. Parasites don't bother healthy bodies.
post #140 of 319
She may have some good points, but this part is ridiculous:

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Calcium makes brittle bones. Instead drink nourishing herbal infusions and eat yogurt.
A cup of nettle infusion has 500mg calcium. A cup of yogurt has 450mg of calcium.
There are no vitamins in pills. Vitamins are enzymes produced by living tissues. All pills contain laboratory make synthetics and cause disease. Those who take as little as 500mg of vitamin C a day for a year create blood vessels that look twice their age. Throw away your Catalyn.
Calcium makes brittle bones, but you're supposed to drink nettle infusion because it's full of calcium? That doesn't even make sense! It's one thing to say that getting nutrients from food is better than getting them from pills - but saying pills are worse than nothing is just plain false.
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