Please comment on Susun Weed letter titled "Candida is a helper. It is keeping you healthy!" - Page 9

[Calm]

Originally Posted by alwaystazfan

It is just all over awful but no diarrhea(that would actually be welcome some lol) the biggest thing is trying to care for a 2 yr old while feeling like that. Thanks for the die off suggestions. I still have refills left so I think I'll go get another bottle next week.

As far as parasites I agree with you they zap you. The hardest thing is getting rid of them while nursing and then getting them out of my son. Any suggestions.

This is where I have to be careful not to recommend anything to a nursing mother. So I can only say that I will be treating for parasites even though I am nursing. I don't recommend it however. My theory is that what they do to our body is more harmful than a handful of herbs to get rid of them, plus we are such a boogedy culture compared to our landlivin' sisters who don't fuss about treating their kids naturally in the way we do. I will hope the treatments get into my breastmilk, as I do believe the Pau D'arco has as ds gets symptoms on the same frequency as me regularly. And when he is a year old, I will dose him directly. His NAET test came back as being parasitic amongst other things. Which makes sense. I've been riddled for years and too lazy to do anything about it. I'm a big starter, and struggle with follow through...

I will be treating us both for yeast until it is beaten into submission first though. We're almost there. I don't take peroxide at the moment, I found something less crude and I LOVE it: oxygen elements. I found it while buying Threelac, it is made by the same company. I mean, this stuff has everything an O2 girl could wish for and more. Full of enzymes for killing yeast, the list of trace elements is massive and it has acids and amino acids. So it does the oxygenation PLUS all that other stuff. It is supposed to help rid the body of parasites along with the other microbes. I have felt it working in me.

But in all honesty, my favourite antiparasite therapy is Hulda Clark's. She has a bad rep as being a bit airy fairy but I really dig her. I actually think she's decades before her time, poor sod. She was toying with frequency medicine when it meant she had to use tin foil to do it! Gotta love that. Now it is used by major NAET practitioners and getting wild success (such as my son's!). So having introduced her, look her up with the specifics of "parasite cleanse" in the google and you'll find plenty of hits. I would do it breastfeeding, however I wouldn't give the remedy to a baby under one year at all, and I wouldn't give it to a baby under 2 without a professional looking over my shoulder.

I do believe in energy modalities! and have found a naet practioner near by that I am going to check out too.

NAET is my latest love. I am learning it as an apprentice at the place that treats my son. I couldn't get past seeing a man having an anaphylactic arrest get completely turned around in ten minutes. A hospital would have struggled to come anywhere near that result, and certainly wouldn't have cured his allergy. It WORKS. If it doesn't work for you, it is your practitioner. I have no trouble saying that after what I've seen. It's astounding stuff.

[Calm]

Digestive wellness is sitting right here on my computer desk. I've scanned through it, in readiness for reading it soon. I got it due to a recommendation on MDC! Maybe yours?

[Calm]

Me again.

I am currently researching this: food grade Diatomaceous Earth. It is apparently an antiparasitic substance used for a long time to rid animals of parasites. Hulda Clark has mentioned use of it for parasite cleansing. So I'm looking it up. I give no recommendation, just noting it for those who are following this thread and also researching. It sounds like good stuff.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Calm

I am currently researching this: food grade Diatomaceous Earth.

I've heard positives about this also. I'll do a bit more research. Thanks for the reminder.

Fondly,

Pat

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by Calm

Digestive wellness is sitting right here on my computer desk. I've scanned through it, in readiness for reading it soon. I got it due to a recommendation on MDC! Maybe yours?

Yeah, it was probably me. I tell everyone I know to read that book. I really need to buy it... I've checked it out from the library about 5 times.

It will probably be pretty basic information for you, since you've obviously done a lot of research in this area. But it was really easy to read, and covers a lot of the basics of gut health.

[Koalamom]

Originally Posted by Calm

I will be treating us both for yeast until it is beaten into submission first though. We're almost there. I don't take peroxide at the moment, I found something less crude and I LOVE it: oxygen elements. I found it while buying Threelac, it is made by the same company. I mean, this stuff has everything an O2 girl could wish for and more. Full of enzymes for killing yeast, the list of trace elements is massive and it has acids and amino acids. So it does the oxygenation PLUS all that other stuff. It is supposed to help rid the body of parasites along with the other microbes. I have felt it working in me.

I think there is something to this oxygen stuff. My yeast came back bad again. So I took some Mega H from Patrick Flanaghan (sp?) throughout the day, and The bad vaginal infection went away already. Although it is still in my breasts. Ugg!

For the diet, I have been slacking off on the yogurt because it has been making me feel sick. Perhaps since I have been eating tons. I could be having "die off" symptoms too whatever they are.

I am definitely going to order the primal defense (dirt), but I just learned that Garden of Life has a supplement you are supposed to take before taking primal defense. I have been taking Total Silver spays lately (supposed to be the best kind out there that kills bacteria and yeast, fungus, and I feel worse than ever. My toddler just got a terrible diaper rash while taking that too.

[WuWei]

I just saw this posted on an autism site, regarding parasites. It is all natural, 100% organic traditional "supplements":

Green Black Walnut (Hull) [Certified Organic]
Ancient uses include the oxygenation of the blood to assist in the removal of parasites from the body. The brown stain found in the green husk contains organic iodine which has antiseptic and healing properties. It is also used to balance sugar levels and burn up excessive toxins and fatty material.

Clove (Flower) [Certified Organic]
This herb contain one of the most powerful germicidal agents in the herb kingdom. It is an effective stimulant and aromatic for the lungs and stomach. It helps expel microbials and to increase blood circulation and to promote digestion and nutrition.

Pumpkin (Seed) [Certified Organic]
The seeds from the pumpkin have for a long time been known to contain very effective anti-parasitic properties. In fact, Native Americans were known to have chewed on pumpkin seeds as an aid in de-worming.

Gentian (Root) [Certified Organic]
Gentiana lutea roots and the underground stem has been used to help stimulate circulation, strengthen the circulatory system, and strengthen the muscles of the digestive organs. It is also good for convalescence, especially in the cases of extreme weakness, and is excellent in the assistance of ridding the body of parasites.

Hyssop (Leaf) [Certified Organic]
This semi-evergreen shrub contains an essential hormonal oil to help build resistance to infectious disease along with its anti-parasitic properties. It has been used for poor digestion, breast and lung problems, coughs due to colds, nose and throat infections, and has proven useful for clearing up mucous congestion in the intestines.

Cumin (Seed) [Certified Organic]
This herb has traditionally been used for thousands of years in the Middle East, Far East and Asia as an herbal health aid. It has so many diverse medicinal properties including anti-parasitic activity. It is used frequently as an antibacterial, anti-fungal and anthelminthic (parasitic infestation fighter) and has an immune-enhancing effect of the human T-cell production which helps to balance and stabilize the immune system.

Cramp (Bark) [Wildcrafted]
This deciduous, thicket-forming shrub is considered one of the best natural remedies for regulating female disorders in addition to its anti-fungal and anti-microbial properties. It also performs well as well a sedative and antispasmodic, reducing muscle cramps and intestinal spasms.

Peppermint (Leaf) [Certified Organic]
During its several thousand years of consistent use by diverse populations, peppermint leaf preparations have been used in both eastern and western cultures to support the gastrointestinal tract and the biliary duct digestive functions. in addition, peppermint leaf has powerful anti-parastic properties.

Chinese Rhubarb (Root) [Certified Organic]
Rhubarb root is one of the oldest and best known Chinese herbal medicines. Used commonly to relieve constipation, diarrhea, and to assist to expel impacted fecal matter that has accumulated in the intestines where parasitic entities readily inhabit. Chinese rhubarb root is also beneficial in traditional treatment of anemia, colitis, digestive problems, and headaches.

Thyme Leaf [Certified Organic]
Thyme is a powerful antiseptic and tonic with curative powers. It has been used by many cultures to alleviate anemia, bronchial and intestinal problems. It acts as an antiseptic and is reported to assist in the removal of fungal infections, skin parasites, and abdominal worms.

Oregano (Leaf) [Certified Organic]
The benefical health properties of oregano has been recognized since antiquity, and has been shown to possess a broad spectrum of anti-microbial activity. Other health benefits include: anti-aging, antibacterial, antifungal, antioxidant, antiseptic, cellular regeneration, cleansing, detoxification, and digestive disorders.

Fennel (Seed) [Certified Organic]
Acts as appetite suppressant and diuretic and helps to stabilize the nervous system and expel waste material from the body. This herb has a history of improving digestion and promoting lactation as well as aiding in the remedy of abdominal cramps, female disorders, gas, intestinal problems, nervous disorders, pinworms, and parasitic microbials.


http://www.parasitecleanse.com/purify.htm


I haven't found the COST posted yet, though! Yes, I did. About $45 for a month supply. Suggested 90 days of treatment.


Pat

[Panserbjorne]

I have one that I sell by a reputable company that is half that price.

I use oxygen therapy quite a bit and use liquid oxygen for my families care in wounds. Highly recommend it. I discovered that supplement (Oxygen Elements) through ThreeLac as well several years ago and was very impressed with the results.

(p.s. I don't believe in psychiatry either! Shhhhhhhhh. Oh, wait....I've posted that ALOT )

[bluebell]

i'm trying to keep up with this thread because its so interesting. not sure if someone has explained this but what is NAET? i've not heard of it before.

[earthie_mama]

What, and how much of this is safe to do while breastfeeding? I've got horrible candida overgrowth, that I think contributed to my second son's awful excema... Now I have another baby and don't want to wait 2 more years to do anything!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by earthie_mama

What, and how much of this is safe to do while breastfeeding? I've got horrible candida overgrowth, that I think contributed to my second son's awful excema... Now I have another baby and don't want to wait 2 more years to do anything!

I'm curious about that too. We're fighting major food allergies over here... I'm doing daily bone broth and kombucha, but not sure what else I can add in while BFing (to help heal my leaky gut and possible yeast problem).

[Calm]

Don't suffer baby sickness.

You must weigh up whether the taxing situation of a sick baby is better than the treatment options. I decided to clear my babe no matter what it took because I was going literally crazy and he was scratching and allergic to pretty much everything.

I had to do something because we were all coming unglued.

I can't see HOW on earth clearing a mama's gut is going to get that yeast off her baby's gut wall. If anyone has science articles to prove my thought on that wrong, then I'd really love to see it. Until then, I honestly can't believe that doing anything for mama does jack sh!t for babe in the yeast wars. I haven't seen it in practice, and I didn't see it in DS.

I treated the baby. Directly. I gave him nystatin drops, even though they contain so much crap it made me ill to read. But I had to help him get rid of that candida in his gut or he would continue to scream in gut pain, be unable to sleep, get more allergies and maybe even autism or some other horrible mental issue that we battle on for years. I made a decision to use the hard bullet on him and I don't regret it.

I am still treating us both, I'm on Threelac again (started yesterday) and I will be using nystatin on him now and again (babies clear very fast). I think nystatin is safer than herbs as herbs are absorbed. Ironic, but there it is. I used babybiotics as very young babies have different flora strains until they mature. But probiotics during the clearing to re-flora-date (heh, I do enjoy myself).

NAET stands for Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Techniques. In a nutshell, it uses the meridians of the body used in acupuncture to realign the body while exposed to an allergen so the body no longer reacts to that substance as though it is a threat. As far as I know, it does not treat the gut issue that is at the base of allergies, it only treats the reaction to whatever substance the body is reacting negatively to.

So if you're allergic to eggs, for example, 25 hours after a NAET treatment you can eat an egg - but you may then get an allergy to something else cos the gut is still leaky. So the cause isn't treated, as far as I can tell. A strong advocate of NAET may disagree with me, but all the descriptions I have heard and read of it don't touch on "healing the gut", it just talks of re-educating the body on one particular substance at a time.

We go to an updated version that treats 7 allergies at a time using frequency generators as well as the traditional NAET. Before the treatment, if I ate citrus (which is in Threelac!), DS broke out all over his cheeks and legs. If I ate nuts, same thing. And forget about dairy and gluten, his body went crazy over those. We got him tested with their German machines for over 250 substances and he returned a high rate of allergy against 21 substances including his own insulin, blood and water! Three days after the first treatment I was eating lemons and nuts and he was continuing to heal instead of breaking out. It was brilliant watching his skin each morning have less and less crap all over it, yet I was eating more than ever. He takes a Himalayan salt grain each day which contains, much like homeopathy, the frequency he needs for healing.

The only thing I struggled with was that they needed a drop of his blood. I almost declined the whole treatment cos I was panicking about it. I denied all tests when he was born, including weighing him and the heel prick test as I don't believe in traumatising newborns in such a manner. But he didn't even seem to notice and it was worth it.

DS has/had two issues. Eczema and seborrheic dermatitis on his scalp and forehead. This is the reason I know that the NAET does not treat the gut, because his dermatitis didn't clear. Or at least, hadn't at the time his eczema did. I cleared that with antidandruff shampoo with an antifungal in it. If his gut were clear, his scalp would clear (too complex to explain in a post why this is so). So I use his scalp as my yeast marker. When he gets itchy up there, he needs a yeast clearing. NAET did not help that.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by Calm

Don't suffer baby sickness.

You must weigh up whether the taxing situation of a sick baby is better than the treatment options. I decided to clear my babe no matter what it took because I was going literally crazy and he was scratching and allergic to pretty much everything.

I had to do something because we were all coming unglued.

I can't see HOW on earth clearing a mama's gut is going to get that yeast off her baby's gut wall. If anyone has science articles to prove my thought on that wrong, then I'd really love to see it. Until then, I honestly can't believe that doing anything for mama does jack sh!t for babe in the yeast wars. I haven't seen it in practice, and I didn't see it in DS.

I agree that treating my yeast will not treat DD's (if she in fact does have a yeast overgrowth), BUT- if I heal up my leaky gut, then the proteins that pass into my BM should be small enough that they won't cause her to react. Now when she starts eating solids, that will be a different story... but I'm not at a point where I am comfortable dosing her with anything. We've been working at this for 9 months now, and I'm finally at a point where I've gotten her reactions (mostly) under control through my diet. Now I can focus more attention on doing some serious healing for me. After seeing how that goes, I can consider doing some healing measures for DD... but I'm hopeful that just by me healing my leaky gut, and giving her system a break from my not-broken-down foods, she will be able to heal herself. I hope that made sense... I've been doing homework all day, and I'm a little fried.

Oh- I finally did the spit test this morning. Most of it dispersed in the water, but there were a few little strands that kind of climbed down the side of the glass. Yeast?

Another question - I thought that the raw honey I was eating might be contributing to my possible yeast problem, as I was getting some mystery rashes... but I stopped the honey a few days ago, and no improvement in the rash. Do you think I am safe to start eating it again? I know there is conflicting information out there about honey and yeast.

[Calm]

Good point about the leaky gut and proteins. Healing your gut won't nec heal hers but at least you won't be filtering poorly digested matter to her.

I'm not sure about honey either. I heard that honey will not go moldy, yeast won't grow on it - it actually treats yeast when used externally. But then, I'm told I can use honey in my kefir to grow the microorganisms, which include certain yeasts. Soooo, yeah. Bit confusing really. I'm just about to read about this in a yeast book I bought, so I'll let you know what I learn about honey.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Calm

But then, I'm told I can use honey in my kefir to grow the microorganisms, which include certain yeasts.

I've seen something which recommends against using honey in kefir due to the "antimicrobial" nature of honey. Apparently, there is something about diluting the honey in water first, before adding it to kefir which makes it ok, however. (too tired to search for a source tonight)

Couldn't help myself: http://onibasu.com/archives/km/3276.html (apparently Stevia has antibacterial properties).

Here is an old thread about Water kefir and honey: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=588783

Found this little tidbit: "Wikipedia also mentions that one of honey's anti-microbial properties results from it's breaking down into hydrogen peroxide when diluted."

Antimicrobial Honey: http://www.healinghoney.co.nz/antimicrobial_honey.cfm

Pat

[WuWei]

Deserves it's own post:
The major antibacterial activity in honey has been found to be due to hydrogen peroxide produced enzymically in the honey. The glucose oxidase enzyme is secreted from the hypopharyngeal gland of the bee into the nectar to assist in the formation of honey from the nectar. The hydrogen peroxide and acidity produced by the reaction:
glucose + H2O+ O2 --> gluconic acid + H2O2
serve to preserve the honey. The hydrogen peroxide produced would be of effect as a sterilising agent only during the ripening of honey. Full-strength honey has a negligible level of hydrogen peroxide because this substance is short-lived in the presence of the transition metal ions and ascorbic acid in honey which catalyse its decomposition to oxygen and water. The enzyme has been found to be practically inactive in full-strength honey, it giving rise to hydrogen peroxide only when the honey is diluted. This is because the acidity produced in the action of the enzyme drops the pH to a point which is too low for the enzyme to work any more. On dilution of honey the activity increases by a factor of 2,500 - 50,000, thus giving a "slow-release" antiseptic at a level which is antibacterial but not tissue-damaging.




http://www.healinghoney.co.nz/antimicrobial_honey.cfm
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html

[caspian's mama]

thx for kefir info

[Calm]

Speaking of, I think mine has stopped reproducing. Someone told me they go through phases of growth and kinda pauses. Is there a way for me to check which mine is doing? I used fresh fruit in one of the brews and although it tasted great, it didn't taste as "brewy". Is that a quirk of water kefir?

[ChristieB]

I've been learning so much from this thread! Thank you everyone.

I have a question, particularly for Firefaery and Calm. In reading about candida/yeast, it seems that the prevailung attitude is that it is something that a person will need to keep coming back to in order to stay healthy. Do you think it's possible to deal with it once (or one last time) and not have to come back to it again?

Dh and I did the whole yeast diet/nystatin, etc. (along with removal of amalgams and detox) thing about 15 years ago, and thought for a long time that I was done with it. But our whole family is looking pretty yeasty ATM.

For ds2 it seems likely that he keeps getting it from me. He's had mild thrush on and off. I'd have dealt with this before getting pg, if I'd known. Then again, looking back, maybe it was this latest pg that brought the yeast back (not sure why?).

For ds1 (and probably dh) it seems to have been gluten related. Who knows, maybe me, too. We have been GF for a little more than 2.5 yrs. I'm looking forward to the day that stop finding new ways that gluten has affected us.

Anyway, thanks to this thread, and an obvious flair recently, we are going to seriously attack the yeast (again).

Interestingly, ds2 still refuses to eat some foods that seem a given for a baby/toddler to eat (sweet potato, avocado, most fruit, most veggies), but he happily eats ferments in large quantities (sauerkraut, cortido, pickles, water kefir). Maybe he knows something! (FTR, he also loves to eat meat and eggs, and loves liver, too).

I'm hoping that getting the yeast under control will make a real difference for us.



Now, I'd like to chime in about brewing water kefir with honey. Not knowing any better, I did that with my first batch of water kefir grains. We don't eat cane sugar of any kind, so it seemed the logical choice. Nope! It took awhile, but it totally changed the make-up of the grains, so that the bacteria were crowded out by the yeast. It messed them up enough that I eventually gave up on them. The brew got very yeasty and fairly alcoholic while the grains were on their way out. I now use agave nectar. Just thought I'd share my experience there.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Calm

Speaking of, I think mine has stopped reproducing. Someone told me they go through phases of growth and kinda pauses. Is there a way for me to check which mine is doing? I used fresh fruit in one of the brews and although it tasted great, it didn't taste as "brewy". Is that a quirk of water kefir?

Probably more a quirk of the amount of liquid and temperature. Larger amount of liquid and/or cooler temperature makes for slower growth and slower ferments.

You could leave it on the counter longer. Also, be careful with exploding water kefir. You did read about that didn't you?


Pat