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post #181 of 319
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
Speaking of, I think mine has stopped reproducing. Someone told me they go through phases of growth and kinda pauses. Is there a way for me to check which mine is doing? I used fresh fruit in one of the brews and although it tasted great, it didn't taste as "brewy". Is that a quirk of water kefir?
We use the double brew process. We brew it the first time with just the grains and sugar water (and about half the time we use ginger juice, too, because it seems to help get the grains more balanced, and mine are not quite balanced lately). Then we strain out the grains and add fruit or more ginger (and usually a little more agave with the ginger) and brew again. I'm not sure if adding the fruit for the second brew makes less "brewy" or not, as I don't usually taste it after the first. The few times I have, it's not so different tasting, just less flavorful.

As for not reproducing, I'm not really sure. I've had trouble with that as well. Someone suggested it was the agave, but they used reproduce even with the agave. Here are the variables I suspect for mine.

* gave away too many grains, so I didn't have enough to keep them happy, and feeling secure as a colony (I recently heard about biofilms, and kefir is one, and how they have to reach a critical mass of sorts in order to be, so I'm sure they need a certain amount to be happy)
* didn't change the water often enough over this past winter
* wasn't using enough agave per batch, so they weren't getting enough food

That's my theory anyway. We'll see how it's born out with my new batch of grains that a friend gave me (this is my third batch - number 2 is still brewing, but not growing).
post #182 of 319
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Originally Posted by ChristieB View Post
I now use agave nectar.
This was posted on Kefir_making yahoogroup regarding different sugars to feed the water kefir:

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I have been curious about how to get my crystals to grow bigger and, I guess faster, mine have grown ever so slowly and are only very seldom as large as, say a centimeter long.

Below are the results I had experimenting to figure out how to get my crystals to grow.

I used 6 half pint jars nearly filled with well water to which I added a tablespoon of organic evaporated cane sugar and a sixteenth
of a teaspoon of himalyan sea salt. To each of five I added 1/4 tsp of one of the following: rapadura, sucanat, molasses, blue agave
necter and maple syrup. The sixth container was a control with just the evaporated cane in it.

To each I added 10 grams of water kefir crystals. After 72 hours fermenting at 60F/15.5C this is what the water crystals in each
container weighed:

Rapadura - 19 grams
Sucanat - 21 grams
Molasses - 20 grams
Blue Agave Nectar - 11 grams
Maple Syrup - 11 grams
Plain - 11 grams

So. Now I guess I know what I need to add to make things grow!

I should note that on a previous occasion a few weeks back I tried adding molasses at a much higher concentration and it damaged those particular grains beyond redemption...had to throw them out.

Gayle
WI/USA
Dom, the Kefir King, suggested doing the experiment over time. Apparently, he "learned the hard way with too much molasses. It can also be problematic using too much concentration of dry and reconstituted pure unrefined sugar cane juice types. I think it may well be the same with undiluted pure fresh sugar cane juice."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kefir_making/


Pat
post #183 of 319
Thank you for that information. Now I guess I know what to do to get them to grow more.

I still think my list of "suspects" is a good one. My second batch grains were growing, although slowly, and then about a year ago stopped growing at all, and then started shrinking (I've stopped that, though).
post #184 of 319
Ok, stupid question time... I add three tablespoons of sugar for one litre brew. That seems an awful lot of sugar and it is the typical amount for water kefir. What happens to the sugar, is it chemically altered during the brewing?

I'm not much of a kefir queen, I just kinda brew it and drink it.
post #185 of 319
Sorry I haven't answered some questions, I'm dashing in quickly and selfishly with my question... :
post #186 of 319
Calm, I'm in Melbourne. What a great city! Where are you?

Last night, I told my son a bedtime story about my village (what a dreamer I am!). It was about a mama who just gave birth. She had no problems with breastfeeding because the women in her village taught her how. The mother didn't worry about mercury toxicity in her newborn (she didn't have any amalgams), and she didn't worry about her baby's gut flora or candida overgrowth. Oh, and the mom ate all organic, local foods and didn't have any fights with her husband about the cost of those foods because they were growing in the wild...they were free! And everyone went to bed on time, because when the sun set, so did the people...including the children.

Of course my husband added to my story that someone got eaten by a bear that night...I had some words for him afterwards.
post #187 of 319
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
Ok, stupid question time... I add three tablespoons of sugar for one litre brew. That seems an awful lot of sugar and it is the typical amount for water kefir. What happens to the sugar, is it chemically altered during the brewing?
My understanding is that the beneficial yeast and friendly bacteria in the kefir culture consume most of the sugar, converting it to alcohol.


Pat
post #188 of 319
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Originally Posted by suzukiaustin View Post
Calm, I'm in Melbourne. What a great city! Where are you?

Last night, I told my son a bedtime story about my village (what a dreamer I am!). It was about a mama who just gave birth. She had no problems with breastfeeding because the women in her village taught her how. The mother didn't worry about mercury toxicity in her newborn (she didn't have any amalgams), and she didn't worry about her baby's gut flora or candida overgrowth. Oh, and the mom ate all organic, local foods and didn't have any fights with her husband about the cost of those foods because they were growing in the wild...they were free! And everyone went to bed on time, because when the sun set, so did the people...including the children.

Of course my husband added to my story that someone got eaten by a bear that night...I had some words for him afterwards.
cute!
post #189 of 319
Thread Starter 
I am so happy! I just got off the phone with Susun Weed. Tuesday night is her open phone night that all can talk to her. I asked her what to do for yeast, and she pretty much said all the suggestions in the letter on page 1. She told me that the yeast (particularly my daughters rashes) could be from malnutrition or may not be yeast at all. She suggested cooked food, and especially no raw fruit. It must be cooked. She recommended 2 cups of herbal infusion daily as a replacement of vitamins.

I also asked her for liver herbs since my daughter has a weak liver. She recommended dandelion - all parts. She said that if it is too bitter for my daughter, I should instead put a picture of the plant on her wall or make her a dandelion pillow.

I am going to a specialist to dowse about our yeast or whatever it may be. I will see then what it really is.
post #190 of 319
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I also got an email that was sent to me today from someone from susun weeds place (not personally from her). I am leaving her name out:


You say your daughter has yeasty dry patches. They may not be yeast, and you likely do not need to battle against yeast as if it is invading your both. It is a normal healthy part of our ecosystems. We maintain a healthy balance of yeasts and bacteria by adding to our gut flora. This you are doing wonderfully with the yogurt! Be sure it contains live cultures and is full fat - sounds like you are using your own homemade, the best! In that book, her oldest, she does mention avoiding yeasty foods, though I am not sure she would say the same now. Besides in the the Childbearing Year herbal she says do this only for two weeks and discontinue if no dramatic results from it.

Yes, overall it sounds you are doing wonderful things for you both diet-wise! It can be telling that quitting the sourdough seemed to make you feel worse. I encourage you to continue your homemade ferments - vegetable, dairy, bread. And feed what of those seems good for your little one. This will help both your gut flora, help you process foods better, assimilate those fats you both need, get the minerals you need, and be less reactive to foods. It may be food allergies. You say you feel totally depleted. This too leaves me to think you are not assimilating well, meaning not enough gut flora.

Some of the supplements you are taking may be exacerbating things by killing too much off, allowing other life to overgrow. Again I encourage you to focus on what to add rather than trying to kill things. Those of concern to me are Pau D'Arco, anti-fungal, grapefruit seed extract, and colloidal silver. I am also not sure of the benefit of the vitamin and mineral supplements.

If the home made yogurt feels good you may wish to use it topically as well - on your daughter's dry patches, and your itchy patches - leaving on for 5-10 minutes before wiping off. It does not need to be washed off, certainly not scrubbed or soaped off. For you both perhaps you can stop soap on the areas, get lots of fresh air there, and be careful of contact with cloth washed in possibly irritating detergents. For your daughter a wash on the irritated skin of a tea of Chamomile blossoms, Calendula blossoms, and/or Comfrey leaves.

Let me know if I can help further. I will be curious to hear how you both are doing!

Blessings,
post #191 of 319
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Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1 View Post
I am so happy! I just got off the phone with Susun Weed. Tuesday night is her open phone night that all can talk to her. I asked her what to do for yeast, and she pretty much said all the suggestions in the letter on page 1. She told me that the yeast (particularly my daughters rashes) could be from malnutrition or may not be yeast at all. She suggested cooked food, and especially no raw fruit. It must be cooked. She recommended 2 cups of herbal infusion daily as a replacement of vitamins.

I also asked her for liver herbs since my daughter has a weak liver. She recommended dandelion - all parts. She said that if it is too bitter for my daughter, I should instead put a picture of the plant on her wall or make her a dandelion pillow.
Okay, but to play devil's advocate....an overgrowth of yeast can *cause* malnutrition. I will agree that the rashes are possibly not yeast, but that doens't mean they aren't BECAUSE of yeast-you know?

Also can I tell you that the bolded made me find a newfound love for her? I think you should absolutely do this, I have done things like this before and it has made a HUGE difference. You could also look at the flower essence as a middle road.
post #192 of 319
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I should instead put a picture of the plant on her wall or make her a dandelion pillow.
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Also can I tell you that the bolded made me find a newfound love for her? I think you should absolutely do this, I have done things like this before and it has made a HUGE difference. You could also look at the flower essence as a middle road.

I'm of two minds, and they agree: the bolded suggestion can't hurt! (I totally have seen energy medicine work in ways that are illogical, "unscientific", and miraculous.)


Pat
post #193 of 319
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Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1 View Post
I am so happy! I just got off the phone with Susun Weed. Tuesday night is her open phone night that all can talk to her. I asked her what to do for yeast, and she pretty much said all the suggestions in the letter on page 1. She told me that the yeast (particularly my daughters rashes) could be from malnutrition or may not be yeast at all. She suggested cooked food, and especially no raw fruit. It must be cooked. She recommended 2 cups of herbal infusion daily as a replacement of vitamins.

I also asked her for liver herbs since my daughter has a weak liver. She recommended dandelion - all parts. She said that if it is too bitter for my daughter, I should instead put a picture of the plant on her wall or make her a dandelion pillow.

I am going to a specialist to dowse about our yeast or whatever it may be. I will see then what it really is.
What exactly is open phone night?
post #194 of 319
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She recommended 2 cups of herbal infusion daily as a replacement of vitamins.
Which herbs?
post #195 of 319
I'm guessing nettles? Alfalfa? Rose hips? Red Clover?
post #196 of 319
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What exactly is open phone night?
Tuesday night until late October, 7:30pm to 9:30pm Eastern time, 845-246-8081
post #197 of 319
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Originally Posted by RootBeerFloat View Post
Which herbs?
She didnt specifically say, but the best ones IMO are, nettle, oat straw, red clover, and comfrey. They all have amazing nutrients. I once heard that you should try all of them and see which one your body craves. I wouldn't exclude other herbs. You should go with what you need. Like during a cold or a daily boost, rose hipps is great or elderberry, or dandelion as a daily organ support. Susun suggested using every part of dandelion every way. I have an herbal vinegar soaking right now. Red raspberry is another great herb. When making infusions, I like to add a pinch of peppermint or spearmint for flavor.
Oh and I cannot forget chamomile, especially for teething babies.

Something else Susun suggested to me tonight is instead of sweetener in tea, for variation try miso. Sounds crazy, but I will try it.
post #198 of 319
Red clover--the flowers or other parts of the plant? (my hfs only sells the flowers)
post #199 of 319
for infusions the flower.
post #200 of 319
Ok, sorry to rain on any parades but I can't help it.
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She recommended 2 cups of herbal infusion daily as a replacement of vitamins
I totally agree food is better medicine than a pill, however, many vitamins are messed with during heating, as are enzymes. Don't boil them if you are after b group vits and C and enzymes. You can take, instead, capsules filled with rosehip granules. You buy empty capsule shells, and rosehip granules. Fill the capsules and take the equivalent of one teaspoon a day. This is filled with vit C and some other things. I also prefer to take herbs this way, or via a tincture where more of the herb is preserved, not heated into a soup.

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Some of the supplements you are taking may be exacerbating things by killing too much off, allowing other life to overgrow.
The air we breathe is filled with bacteria and yeast. The food we eat is antibiotic (vinegar, for instance), we are killing stuff off with our food anyway, and repopulating with the air we breathe and every time we put our hand to our mouth! You can't kill "too much off" unless you kill off too much of one thing - which is what antibiotics do. As do corticosteroids. As do the birth control pill. And if you have taken any of those things, then you HAVE to kill off the yeast because there is now an imbalance. See next quote for the next vital piece of the puzzle:

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They may not be yeast, and you likely do not need to battle against yeast as if it is invading your both. It is a normal healthy part of our ecosystems. We maintain a healthy balance of yeasts and bacteria by adding to our gut flora.
You can't just "add" to the gut flora, this is what is misleading most of America! And why people are getting half-a$$ed results or none at all. If the gut is totally bogged down with yeast and bad bacteria, then WHERE is all this good stuff going to go?

Straight out the poop shoot.

Seriously, until you MAKE ROOM on the colon wall, taking anything to "add" flora is a waste of time.
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