Please comment on Susun Weed letter titled "Candida is a helper. It is keeping you healthy!" - Page 12

[Calm]

Unsure if this is appropriate thread for this post, but some people contacting me are on this thread and not my other one so I'm double posting it just in case.

I found these sites on treating babies directly with threelac and oxygen elements. I am NOT advocating or recommending it. Just so's we're clear. But for those who are interested, as I was, in finding out if it can be done, here are a couple of links:

18-34 lb Child:
Month 1 – 1/8 tsp per day of ThreeLac
Month 2- ¼ tsp per day of ThreeLac
Month 3 – 1/8 tsp per day of ThreeLac
Month 4 – off the product if the symptoms are gone

Oxygen Elements Max: Take 1 drop for every 10 pounds of body weight once a day. After two weeks, children over the age of 12 can take Oxygen Elements twice per day. Do not give Oxygen Elements Max to children with Autism as it may cause stemming.

Things to expect:
Your child may be a bit cranky or tired for a couple of days as they experience cleansing symptoms that may be difficult to explain or understand. Typical cleansing reactions are headache, fatigue, a little constipation or diarrhea. Things that show the product is working are the possible development of a runny nose or some frequent urination.

Children and candida

AND

Symptoms may include

* Frequent and heavy diaper rash
* Other "eczema" type skin rashes
* Oral Thrush (white film in mouth or on lips or tongue)
* Colicky longer than 3 months
* Symptoms worse on damp days or in damp environments
* Recurrent ear problems
* Craving sweets all the time
* Headaches
* Hyperactive
* Learning problems
* Often irritable
* Ongoing nasal congestion, cough or wheezing
* Unhappy, hard to please
* Seems unwell yet doctors do not find anything wrong

Children's candida symptomsThat site has a similar dosage chart.

I will be using both oxygen elements and threelac for my five month old.

[WildIris]

Inspired by this thread, and other things I've read, I finally went out today and picked up some Candidase by Enzymedica. Took the first one this afternoon. Planning to take another capsule at 9 PM (2 hours after I finished eating dinner).

I think I will just take one capsule at a time for the first two days, then increase to two capsules at a time, three times a day.

One question, is it still okay to take digestive enzymes with meals? I take the Enzymedica Digest Gold.

Another question, I've been drinking kombucha daily... is it okay to continue this? And if so, how do I structure it around the Candidase capsules.

Oh geez, now I have a third question, about other supplements. I also want to take Vit D, Vit C, Magnesium, MSM, and Borage Oil. I'm just not sure what to take when... what to take with/apart meals, or with/apart from enzymes and Candidase?

[tolovemercy]

Originally Posted by WildIris

Inspired by this thread, and other things I've read, I finally went out today and picked up some Candidase by Enzymedica. Took the first one this afternoon. Planning to take another capsule at 9 PM (2 hours after I finished eating dinner).

I think I will just take one capsule at a time for the first two days, then increase to two capsules at a time, three times a day.

One question, is it still okay to take digestive enzymes with meals? I take the Enzymedica Digest Gold.

Another question, I've been drinking kombucha daily... is it okay to continue this? And if so, how do I structure it around the Candidase capsules.

Oh geez, now I have a third question, about other supplements. I also want to take Vit D, Vit C, Magnesium, MSM, and Borage Oil. I'm just not sure what to take when... what to take with/apart meals, or with/apart from enzymes and Candidase?

I don't know about your other questions, but I just stumbled on this today regarding kombucha & candida: http://www.kombu.de/candida.htm

[Calm]

It's fine to take the enzymes with meals, but they will be used to digest your food. They are taken between meals so they are used to do other things, such as get rid of yeast. The cellulase and hemicellulase are apparently the enzymes used to do that, as yeast (being kinda "plant like") has a shell made of fiber. Those enzymes "digest" it, break it down, much like they do other fibers and plant foods - killing it. The other enzymes don't do anything to treat yeast, so I've heard.

[WildIris]

Originally Posted by tolovemercy

I don't know about your other questions, but I just stumbled on this today regarding kombucha & candida: http://www.kombu.de/candida.htm

Thanks for that. I was pretty sure it was okay to drink kombucha while also trying to get rid of candida, but what I wasn't sure of is if there is any problem with drinking the kombucha around the same time I swallow the Candidase capsules. Anyone know?

[greencat]

So, Susan Weed is an Herbalist, and has books about a use of herbs, correct?
Do any of her books address the yeast issue in a manner that she answered in the letter? Or it is better answered on her radio show?

[WildIris]

How long do people usually take something like Candidase? Is it something you take for a short course, like 2 weeks, and then discontinue?

When it is necessary or important to add in something like an antifungal? Is this done at the same time as the Candidase or separately?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by greencat

So, Susan Weed is an Herbalist, and has books about a use of herbs, correct?
Do any of her books address the yeast issue in a manner that she answered in the letter? Or it is better answered on her radio show?

I have found all of her books to be pretty consistent in terms of her ideas and approach.

[greencat]

If I were to buy one, with a focus on yeast related problem, is there a book that you recommend to start???

thanks,

[Panserbjorne]

There is no book that I know of that solely focuses on yeast. I would probably start with Healing Wise. I do want to be clear though that I am not really endorsing it. It's a good read if you do so with a critical eye. I really heartily disagree with the ways she views different systems. I take real issue with the way she labels things, but that is my own issue.

[greencat]

I appreciate your opinion. You got me curious, though. I though starting with "Healing Wise" may be the one. Good to know that she stays consistant through out her books. Thanks,

[Calm]

How long do people usually take something like Candidase? Is it something you take for a short course, like 2 weeks, and then discontinue?

When it is necessary or important to add in something like an antifungal? Is this done at the same time as the Candidase or separately?

I haven't taken solely enzymes, but I would imagine the duration depends on when your symptoms are resolved. Then a lesser maintenance dose as candida is never completely eradicated from your system and will always be open to opportunities to overgrow again. You need not add an antifungal if you get good results with any other product. I keep hearing good things about oil of oregano and have ordered some yesterday.

If I were to buy one, with a focus on yeast related problem, is there a book that you recommend to start???

The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough
If you go to that book on amazon and look at "what people also bought" you'll see a huge list of yeast only books. I haven't read it, but it keeps getting mentioned in the yeast books I do read, so I will be reading it at some stage. I personally recommend this book, which I have read: An Extraordinary Power to Heal

[greencat]

I often browse Amazon, but have not seen "An Extraordinary Power to Heal." Thank you for your recommendation. I appreciate it. The book, Yeast Connection by William Crook was the first book I read about yeast and chronic illness. The concept at the time the book came out was an extraordinary or even bizarre connection to illnesses. I recommend the book, just to understand yeast and what it can do. However, I think our understanding of yeast related complex has increased so much since, that the treatments are controversial.

[Calm]

Gotcha. I haven't read it, so maybe I'll bypass it if it is that old. Must be the pioneering one.

[WildIris]

Originally Posted by Calm

I haven't taken solely enzymes, but I would imagine the duration depends on when your symptoms are resolved. Then a lesser maintenance dose as candida is never completely eradicated from your system and will always be open to opportunities to overgrow again. You need not add an antifungal if you get good results with any other product. I keep hearing good things about oil of oregano and have ordered some yesterday.

Well, that's the thing. I don't have any overt symptoms of candida to gauge by, such as thrush, rashes, etc. The main problem I'm dealing with is multiple food allergies and chemical sensitivities. I can deal with having to eat a very restricted diet...what I can't deal with is the onslaught of reactions that happen every time I go out in public, to other people's stuff (fumes from food, perfumes, cosmetics, etc.). And even at home, reacting to stuff my DH and kids eat, wear, etc. I'm taking the Candidase in hopes that it might help reduce my reactivity. And it's hard to judge when that symptom is resolved, because it is so nebulous.

[Calm]

Originally Posted by WildIris

Well, that's the thing. I don't have any overt symptoms of candida to gauge by, such as thrush, rashes, etc. The main problem I'm dealing with is multiple food allergies and chemical sensitivities. I can deal with having to eat a very restricted diet...what I can't deal with is the onslaught of reactions that happen every time I go out in public, to other people's stuff (fumes from food, perfumes, cosmetics, etc.). And even at home, reacting to stuff my DH and kids eat, wear, etc. I'm taking the Candidase in hopes that it might help reduce my reactivity. And it's hard to judge when that symptom is resolved, because it is so nebulous.

Oh, I see then. Hmm, I do know that one of my main signs of candida infection was chemical sensitivity. On average days, I would just find certain smells overwhelming. On bad days, I'd get a screaming migraine from them. Esp the Body Shop perfumes. If you go to my thread, I've gone into this a little bit:

In similar news, I have read about indigenous peoples such as our Aussie Coories and the Native Americans and they never stop doing cleanses. Parasite cleanses were a part of their whole life, not just something they did once plagued with symptoms and then ceased until plagued again. No, they did it while still symptom free. They also did/do many other types of cleanses, using smoke, water, and sauna type situations such as "sweat lodges". Our culture, on the other hand, has no such thing. We have tried to take on some of these things but on the whole, we struggle with our health because we want to make healing a one stop deal, where we do some cleanse, then we are free to eat rubbish and laze around. Health, true health of body mind and soul, is a full time, life time commitment. I've actually heard people complain that they'd have to take threelac once a week for life to maintain freedom from yeast overgrowth while still indulging their taste sensations. I've never heard of maintenance so simple and yet we complain about it...

If you are already symptom free, it would be very hard to tell when you aren't infected anymore. You'd have to get in tune with your body and literally "trust your gut" for that one. To enjoy a glass of wine and a bowl of sugar again I'd just keep threelac or some other balancer of your choice on hand and treat regularly to be on the safe side.

My research thread

The problem is candida is never completely removed from the body. Not to date, anyway. So it is an opportunistic bug and given the right set of circumstances will take you right back to square one. So it's something that we have to maintain in at least some way for life. But there are treatments out there that make this easy. Hence why I keep jabbering about the easy way, like nystatin and Threelac, cos hell, all these diets are barmy and hard to maintain and sooooooooo very slow. Just cut to the chase and get on with life in relative freedom. Kill the buggers, install good guys in their place, then follow all these wonderful diet and health plans .

[WildIris]

Thanks for your insights, Calm. I feel like your approach makes sense (using Nystatin or Threelac), but when I looked up the ingredient list for Nystatin there were about 6 or 7 ingredients in there that are suspicious for corn (one of my main allergens). So I would hesitate to take it for that reason. And then with the Threelace, it's kind of iffy also. They say "corn free" but I've really been burned before on supplements that claim to be corn free, but actually contain ingredients derived from corn or grown on corn. And I do react to even small amounts. So what's a girl to do?

My plan at the moment is to stick with the Candidase for about two weeks and see what happens. In the meantime, I'm researching some other things to possibly try after this. (Do you know anything about parasites? I keep remembering a dream I had ten years ago about an amoeba; I posted about it yesterday on H&H. I keep feeling like it's important now so researching more about it.)

Thanks for the link to your research thread. I will read it carefully.

Oh, and has your chemical sensitivity lessened?

[Calm]

You will see on that other thread someone mentioned getting nystatin from the UK. I've also heard of it from canada. If you do that, you can get pure nystatin. The problem ingredients you mentioned are because they are premixed as a capsule. I like to avoid those too. But the pure crystals of nystatin have nothing added. They are hard to get in some countries, the USA and Australia being two of them. How are you on oregano? If you aren't allergic, I'm sending folk onto that stuff so I can get some feedback. I keep hearing it is good. If you try it, please let me know how it goes, even if you don't report back until a month or more.

[Panserbjorne]

there are tests you can do for parasites that will detect not only current infestations, but any infestations you've ever had via antibodies.

[WildIris]

Ah, this is good to know about the Nystatin! I will check into it.

Oregano, it's funny, I've always *hated* the herb oregano. Just hate the taste of it. I just tossed some from my kitchen cabinets a few days ago. But I'm going to look into oil of oregano, see if I can find some free of my allergens. If I try it I will let you know what happens.