I have not read this thread in a while, but this caught my eye today:
|One round of antibiotics isn't enough to throw an entire system off kilter if it wasn't off to begin with...
I'm a naturopath, here's my page on fungus/yeast
(ain't finished yet, but readable), just as the credentials I can muster right now. What you've written there is actually not true, at least not in my experience with many different people of all ages including newborn. One round of antibiotics, especially broad spectrum but certainly not limited to that, is quite certainly
enough to throw the system out of whack, all alone, without any other thing at all in a healthy person or baby.
The reason is quite simple - if antibiotics were not effective enough to wipe out a whole colony, we would still die from bacterial infections. It's very job
is to wipe out large numbers and whole species of bacteria. We take a whole course of abx to make sure we nail the whole lot
of them, not just some, not just a select species but a whole swag of bacteria. Even if (and this has actually been proven many times) you live with the Hunzas or some other pure community or tribe once those bacteria are dead, the balance is thrown off allowing the pH to alter, the system to shift, the microorganisms to move around, and further bacteria to get sick. Which causes a catch 22 and takes an awesome effort and much time to correct.
Another issue is that certain species can be killed that create totally, seemingly unrelated problems. For instance, Oxalobacter formigenes (mentioned on my page) is a bacteria whose job it is to break down oxalate (oxalic acid) which is found in things like spinach. Without it, we cannot break this down and calcium oxalate builds up in the kidneys - kidney stones. Treatment with this bacteria starts breaking down oxalate again, although it doesn't help the kidneys very much by then. So, with just one dose of antibiotics you will get rid of not just a whole species of the bad guys but so many of these good guys who do little jobs like factory workers. One thing goes off and the whole system starts to malfunction from the head to the toes, and every organ is affected.
Antibiotics are man made, and that is their major problem. "Just one thing" in nature is usually not enough to throw a body out of whack, true. But just one man made chemical IS enough, if it is the right chem in the right dose. Antibiotics are largely fungal in nature. They are mycotoxins. Penicillin for example is a chemical released by fungus to fight bacteria and man harnessed this. However, they don't dose you in a natural amount, in the amount you find in nature or in the average human gut. The dose of mycotoxin delivered in an antibiotic is massive, and very unnatural.
These guys don't just start breeding again and hey, all is well. No matter how healthy you were (for example, if a person takes ABX accidentally, which has happened a lot, strangely, and become chronically ill - from ONE PILL. They don't even have to finish the course.)
However, I very much agree with when you said this:
|All I'm saying is that it's a mistake in ANYTHING to just treat the symptoms.
I get frustrated with both the allopathic doctor AND The naturopathic one as they so often fall on polar sides of this issue. The allopath will almost exclusively treat symptoms. The naturopath almost exclusively treats cause. Both of those approaches irritate the heck out of me. It isn't an either/or situation. The naturopath gets so caught up in cause they forget the suffering and how hard some of the treatments can be, and how long they can take. They then blame the client for non-compliance when they can't stick at some ridiculous diet for three months or longer.
We must consider quality of life! We must ease suffering and find treatments that don't impact a person's life too heavily. That's where my preferences come in. I believe you can do both: treat cause and symptoms. Sounds obvious but as mentioned, it really doesn't seem to be to either side of the healing coin.
By the same token, I've too often seen symptoms ease while treating cause, and vice versa although not as often. As a mother who cannot stand to see my children suffering, I go straight to the throat every time when treating them when they are sick. Not their throat of course
, but the bug's throat. When they get sick, (and I do not give my children abx, EVER) I know that it is what you mentioned - an imbalance that was there waiting to happen. Maybe too much sugar gave the yeast a party, maybe a necessary bacteria moved somewhere it shouldn't be due to a food preservative... whatever it is, there is a cause. I can remove it, or whatever must be done but at the same time, I cut the legs right out from under the little bugstards with all out war. I force my children into fevers, I have potato wraps, garlic, oregano oil, tinctures, nystatin if necessary... I have it all going on but my kids are sick for hours
, not days. But I also treat symptoms. Luckily, many natural treatments for cause actually have symptoms treatment built in. Ms Nature was very thorough and clever in that respect. But I'll use willow bark or whatever other symptom easer I have, and I will use creams for skin things, knowing it will do nothing for cause... I ease suffering basically. That's important, it's rule number one.
I offer this approach to others, and most take it. In fact, I can count on one hand the amount of people who have chosen to treat slowly when given the option to do it fast and nasty. Even though I explain that the healing crisis will be freaky horrible they still choose it. I think we secretly all know the body can rejuvenate fast and is limited only by our imaginations really.
Back to the issue at hand, I get what you are saying about root cause and not just treating symptoms. But I have to disagree that there is always a bigger cause than the abx itself. It is an atomic bomb on our body. It IS powerful enough to make that mess all on its own. Really. So sometimes, treating the cause is actually just treating the gut imbalance itself. Because the resulting pH imbalance, sugar cravings, metal dumping, cellular sluggishness and so on is actually a symptom
of the gut imbalance in many cases, contrary to popular naturopathic wisdom. For most people however, you are correct. Because most of us these days have a measurable imbalance already going on in our bodies like a time bomb waiting to go off. When we take ABX we will not bounce back quite as readily as our healthful counterparts, we will struggle terribly, just as we will on the pill and while on steroids etc because of the underlying issues.