Explain to me how dead virus vaccines can infect you

[Lady Lilya]

I was watching the video on KnowShots.com and at around the 10-minute point the speaker mentions that you can get Pertussis from a dead vaccine because of something to do with the protein envelopes. I have been looking for more info on this, but not really finding anything. Does anyone know how this works?

[MissRubyandKen]

My understanding of this is the body will mount an immune response to a part of a bacteria or virus or a 'dead' bacteria or virus and will potentially recognize the intact or live bacteria or virus similarities, if exposed to it, and mount an immune response appropriately and quickly because it will already recognize the foreign invader as such. Sorry I'm not very good at explaining things!

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

I was watching the video on KnowShots.com and at around the 10-minute point the speaker mentions that you can get Pertussis from a dead vaccine because of something to do with the protein envelopes. I have been looking for more info on this, but not really finding anything. Does anyone know how this works?

It doesn't work. That's totally false. You can sometimes catch a virus from a live virus vaccine, most especially the chickenpox vaccine, but you can't catch pertussis from the killed, acellular vaccine. The symptoms of pertussis are caused by the damage the bacteria does to the the lungs. Your own body isn't going to cause those symptoms as a reaction to the vaccine. It's not true.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of really......motivated people....on both sides of the debate who use really bizarre arguments to support their "side".

The only vaccines that could cause you to become ill from the actual disease they're supposed to prevent are measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and the nasal flu vaccine (but not the injected flu vaccine). Oh, and the rotavirus vaccine. I always forget that one.

[MissRubyandKen]

Is Hep A live too? I haven't researched that one, but remember reading it somewhere. Wasn't sure if it was misinformation or not.

[hacomommy]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

I was watching the video on KnowShots.com and at around the 10-minute point the speaker mentions that you can get Pertussis from a dead vaccine because of something to do with the protein envelopes. I have been looking for more info on this, but not really finding anything. Does anyone know how this works?

I do not know how to explain it too you but I can say it does happen, atleast it did to my daughter when she was 18 months old she developed pertussis after recieving the vaccine and it turned onto pneomonia it was a long 8 week battle and the doc told me she can no longer get that vaccine.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by MissRubyandKen

Is Hep A live too? I haven't researched that one, but remember reading it somewhere. Wasn't sure if it was misinformation or not.

No- hep. A is killed.

-Angela

[alegna]

Originally Posted by hacomommy

I do not know how to explain it too you but I can say it does happen, atleast it did to my daughter when she was 18 months old she developed pertussis after recieving the vaccine and it turned onto pneomonia it was a long 8 week battle and the doc told me she can no longer get that vaccine.

I'm sorry for your dd's illness, but I think it's much more likely that the vax simply lowered her immune system and she picked up pertussis somewhere. It's really all over. Neither the disease itself nor the vaccine creates lifelong immunity. Add to that that the vaccine doesn't prevent carriage or transmission, and pertussis is pretty much everywhere.

Scientifically, I don't understand how one could contract a virus or bacteria from a killed vaccine.

-Angela

[MissRubyandKen]

Unless if not all of the bacteria or virus was successfully inactivated, maybe?

[hacomommy]

I do not know anything except what the doctor told me but as of recently I have begun to lose faith in the medical doctors anyway, seems to me that most of the ones we see have no clue what they are talking about. pretty much guesses and then bandaids the symptoms instead of getting down to the core of the real illness. thanks for your response

[Lady Lilya]

Well, I have spent the last day or so trying to figure this out. This is what i have come to understand:

Some viruses have all the genetic material in a little protein envelope that is coated with a chemical that is "sticky" to host cells. When they stick, the host cell will uptake that data from the envelope and execute the code of the virus.

For those types of viruses, the living part simply serves to get it into the host and near the host cells. But if doctors are going to inject it into people, that role is taken care of and the living parts of the virus aren't needed to spread it.

Once the host cell follows the instructions from the envelope, it makes more copies of the complete virus (living parts and envelope).

[wunderbubble]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

The symptoms of pertussis are caused by the damage the bacteria does to the the lungs. Your own body isn't going to cause those symptoms as a reaction to the vaccine. It's not true.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of really......motivated people....on both sides of the debate who use really bizarre arguments to support their "side".

The only debate i have heard about the pertussis is that it doesn't prevent transmission or infection, other wise i have heard nothing bizarre about the pertussis debate other than it was a completely useless vaccine. Being that is rather useless ...i personally will not allow that vaccine for that very reason...not that i would allow any of the other injections, vaccines are causing massive epidemics in our children and I won't voluntarily destroy my child's health to satisfy a pharmecutical quota.

[MissRubyandKen]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

Well, I have spent the last day or so trying to figure this out. This is what i have come to understand:

Some viruses have all the genetic material in a little protein envelope that is coated with a chemical that is "sticky" to host cells. When they stick, the host cell will uptake that data from the envelope and execute the code of the virus.

For those types of viruses, the living part simply serves to get it into the host and near the host cells. But if doctors are going to inject it into people, that role is taken care of and the living parts of the virus aren't needed to spread it.

Once the host cell follows the instructions from the envelope, it makes more copies of the complete virus (living parts and envelope).

Where did you find this info? I've been reading books on immunology and diseases for awhile now, but haven't come across anything like this.

[covertlycrunchy]

The most I've heard about this is that people who are recently vaccinated tend to be MORE likely to spread the bacteria then others who have not been recently vaccinate. I think it was out of a study done in India which was conducted after a 2 month old got pertussis and died from it after only ever coming into contact w/ fully vaccinated adults & other children in the household. I wish I could give a reference but I didn't bookmark it.

[Lady Lilya]

Originally Posted by MissRubyandKen

Where did you find this info? I've been reading books on immunology and diseases for awhile now, but haven't come across anything like this.

In my first post I mentioned a video. It is said in the video, but she used terminology that i was unfamiliar with. Just by reading about viruses and how they reproduce, I gained enough understanding to comprehend the statement in the video.

I can't imagine any source saying straight out that dead viruses in vaccines can cause the illness. Who would be aware of that, and what motive might those parties have to propagate that sort of info through the media?