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post #1 of 11
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I didn't see this posted, so let me know if I'm behind the times and this has already been discussed.

NPR story explains researchers now think the 1918 "flu" pandemic responsible for so many deaths is attributable to a bacterium.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93747214
post #2 of 11
Interesting. Thanks for posting! I have a particular interest in the 1918 pandemic.
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Ooops! I didn't see this and started a new thread. Maybe the mods can merge them?

It's important to listen to the broadcast, which gives a tiny bit more information on the original medical reports and records. We should've known about this years ago, because the doctors WAY back in 1918 knew it. The big question then, is why no one told us until now.
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Did the article also say that people who were alive then and still alive now seem to have immunity to that strain of flu? I just read this somewhere else. Eighty and ninety year olds carrying immunity all of these years to a disease they were exposed to as children! Maybe that is how they lived so long.
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Did the article also say that people who were alive then and still alive now seem to have immunity to that strain of flu? I just read this somewhere else. Eighty and ninety year olds carrying immunity all of these years to a disease they were exposed to as children! Maybe that is how they lived so long.
That related story is linked on page with the article. Here it is: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...Id=93675590the
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93675590

I am having problems with your link, but thank you anyway...try this one.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93675590

I am having problems with your link, but thank you anyway...try this one.
Yup, that's the one.
post #8 of 11
I don't know if I should quote the post from the other thread on this topic that was closed due to the double thread issue, so I'll just address the issue without quoting.

The concern was that, since the overuse of abx has resulted in abx resistant bacteria, we would still be in danger. Obviously, that's true. However, even MRSA is usually still susceptible to something. MRSA stands for methicillin resistant staph aureus. By definition, MRSA does NOT mean "resistant to all antibiotics". It means resistant to a certain type of abx (beta-lactams). There are other types and that's why culture and sensitivity testing is so important. Now that we've created the monster of abx resistance, there will definitely always be deaths as a result. It doesn't mean, however, that antibiotics are completely useless. They aren't. They usually still work and by testing for susceptibility before blindly throwing abx at a serious infection, we can improve our odds.

Furthermore, I think most MDCers would agree that there are other ways of dealing with bacterial infections. It's not like abx are the only thing we have at our disposal. Sometimes they are the only thing that will work, but that's not always the case. It won't help everyone because most people and medical professionals either don't know or refuse to admit that there are alternatives. WE do know, though, and it's easier to fight an enemy when you know what it actually is, rather than the false thing they tell you it is.
post #9 of 11
^^^ Plummeting, that was my first thought reading this...the overuse of abx and subsequent resistance.

I will post once again one of my all time favorite books: Herbal Antibiotics: Natural Alternatives for Treating Drug-Resistant Bacteria.

I'm a huge fan of garlic, and it can be used to treat MRSA: New natural extract for treating MRSA. I've used it to treat two cases of mastitis, too.
post #10 of 11
Here is a link from yahoo regarding people still producing antibodies in their 90s. The content may be the same as the NPR article.
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The concern was that, since the overuse of abx has resulted in abx resistant bacteria, we would still be in danger. Obviously, that's true. However, even MRSA is usually still susceptible to something. MRSA stands for methicillin resistant staph aureus. By definition, MRSA does NOT mean "resistant to all antibiotics". It means resistant to a certain type of abx (beta-lactams). There are other types and that's why culture and sensitivity testing is so important. Now that we've created the monster of abx resistance, there will definitely always be deaths as a result. It doesn't mean, however, that antibiotics are completely useless. They aren't. They usually still work and by testing for susceptibility before blindly throwing abx at a serious infection, we can improve our odds.

Furthermore, I think most MDCers would agree that there are other ways of dealing with bacterial infections. It's not like abx are the only thing we have at our disposal. Sometimes they are the only thing that will work, but that's not always the case. It won't help everyone because most people and medical professionals either don't know or refuse to admit that there are alternatives. WE do know, though, and it's easier to fight an enemy when you know what it actually is, rather than the false thing they tell you it is.
This is a very interesting topic to me. My DH heard on the radio or TV somewhere that we are "due" for another flu pandemic. I only learned above that it seems to be the bacteria that caused the fatalities. Is there more reading on this anywhere that someone knows of?

I agree regarding alternatives for antibiotics, and I've just barely scratched the surface of learning about it. It's a strange battle that one has. We grow up with abx, our moms trust them (generally) and go to them, and when someone you love is sick, it seems the easiest, oldest thing to do. I was tested just this week with my DH's chicken pox, the first real test of going allopathic or natural with an illness, and we didn't do the abx :

Anyway, this is all very interesting and goes against the grain of what grew up with and what our family believes. DH grew up believing tetanus was fatal but knows differently now.
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