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post #21 of 83
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Originally Posted by aaronsmom View Post
I don't agree with the paddling in the first place but I really don't understand why she'd get punished 3 times for the same thing (paddling, lecture, then games taken away).
Yeah, overkill. 3 punishments for one misdeed?
post #22 of 83
I went to a public school in TN where paddling was used often. My mom had a note on file for me that said I was not to be paddled (it never came up as an issue) and told me I should leave and walk home if they tried. (We lived a block away.)

I do know my sister was paddled at 16 by the (creepy and icky) male principal, who had made inappropriate sexual comments towards her. :

I would absolutely not send my child to a school where this was used as punishment ever, for anyone, period.
post #23 of 83
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Originally Posted by odenata View Post

I do know my sister was paddled at 16 by the (creepy and icky) male principal, who had made inappropriate sexual comments towards her. :
OT but we had a bio teacher like this in HS. One time he poured a bottle of water on my friends WHITE tshirt...all over her breasts. She reported him but none of the staff believed her.
post #24 of 83
And parents wonder why I have such a problem with the fact that we can't sneak in on any given day and observe my son's class without first telling the teacher! The bad behavior of creepy teachers is far greater than the threat of a nut with a gun.
post #25 of 83
Ick. I did know they still spanked in schools, but it sucks hearing about it, especially that parents allow it! I mean, my mom was a spanker, but if anyone at my schools had tried to spank me (it was legal, but required parental consent) there would be HELL to pay. It's sad enough to me that there are parents who believe it's okay for them to spank, but to allow others to spank your kids makes me really nauseous. In that case it's not just a cycle or not understanding the harm or inefficacy of spanking, it just seems heartless.
post #26 of 83
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Originally Posted by 2lilsweetfoxes View Post
In most cases, the parents do have the choice to "opt out", but unfortunately, most parents in those areas do not see any harm in it. Or, the school ignores it. Some schools will refuse to take inter-district transfer students if the parents try to opt out. In fact, some parents are like: you get in trouble at school, you are also in trouble at home. Sometimes, the child has the choice between getting paddled or suspended and chooses the momentary sting of the paddle to being suspended.

My eldest child has been paddled at school. Once. She straightened up after that and the lecture she got at home.
OMG you eldest is only 7 years old how can people think that this is okay???????
post #27 of 83
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Originally Posted by aaronsmom View Post
I don't agree with the paddling in the first place but I really don't understand why she'd get punished 3 times for the same thing (paddling, lecture, then games taken away).
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why do people think that it is okay to drag out a punishment.Tell them once,give the appropriate consequence and be done with it,talk about teaching a child to drag things out and hold a grudge
post #28 of 83
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Originally Posted by minimunklemama View Post
OMG you eldest is only 7 years old how can people think that this is okay???????
You took the words right out of my mouth. 7 years old and paddled at school? And then a lecture and games taken away? I'd cut off the grandparents for life if this were me (right after I slapped a few people around the head at the school). This is the worst thing I've heard in a long time...poor, poor girl.
post #29 of 83
Here is another article about the same issue written from a point of view that makes it sound even worse. Wow. All I can say is

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...International/
post #30 of 83
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Originally Posted by naupakamama View Post
Here is another article about the same issue written from a point of view that makes it sound even worse. Wow. All I can say is

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...International/
Paddling children with disabilities? A three yo came home with BRUISES?! :Puke :
This is ridiculous. God! It's just making my blood boil now. Something needs to be done about this!
post #31 of 83
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Originally Posted by naupakamama View Post
Here is another article about the same issue written from a point of view that makes it sound even worse. Wow. All I can say is

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...International/
OMG did any of you read the comments left to this article??? it's a bloody god job that comments are closed or I would have a thing or ten to say to those commenters!!
post #32 of 83
That map was disturbing. I am not sure if I will home school or not (most likely will), but if we move to a state that allows this, I WILL home school. Sick. I really thought it was illegal everywhere, too.
post #33 of 83
Hello- I've never explored this part of MDC before...

My name is Moon.mom and I've lived in Texas for most of my life.
(brief stays in Tennessee, Kansas and Washington)

I'm a public school educator. (for 7 years)
I attended public school K - 12 in central/west Texas- small town.

My first year teaching(5th grade)- I had a girl who was so needy. I loved her and worked with her so much... her home life was a wreck... she was pushing/shoving one day- I calmly ask her to move away- and she shouted "Slut!" at me. the Asst. Principal heard her. I was crushed.
We all 3 went to the office. He called her mother. She was up there in like 5 minutes. He gave her 2 "licks" that almost gave ME a heart attack. Then her mother took the board and gave her 2 more. (I'll spare you the details...like how high her feet came off the ground)

I was biting my lip and tears were falling out of my eyes.
They suspended her for 3 days also.

When they left the room- I broke down bawling. The Asst. Principal waited until I could talk. I said I didn't think that was right. He said- "That's the only way to handle kids like that."
I WAS HORRIFIED...
I did not sign my contract to return to that school...for many reasons...but the spankings were a major reason.

At my current school, spanking is only with parent permission and our principal uses it as LAST RESORT...and doesn't even do it by her decision- the parents will request it sometimes.

Something you have to think about- on that CNN map- which states are spanking legal in? the southern ones.

I don't want to get into politics and religion...but compare the southern states to the rest of the country...

Mostly what I'm saying is don't be shocked by this...
Spanking/corporal punishment isn't the only thing that happens in the southern states that doesn't happen everywhere else.
There are seriously people in the south who wish "the south would have won..." (the civil war) still fly the rebel flags... hate crimes for race, religion, gender and homosexuality... I could go on and on.

I live here by choice, I know, but my family is here. older parents and syblings. If it weren't for them- we'd be far above the Mason-Dixon line...

There are pockets of us liberal, wacky, hippie, weirdos....:
(up "north" we would probably be plain and simple people...)

So spanking makes me sad and mad, too.
But just remember, it's been legal for a long time, and not likely to change.
(After all, the bible talks about it...)

(I consider myself a religious person- Unitarian Universalist- and I hope I don't sound condescending towards other religions...or political parties, for that matter...)

Edit: I forgot to mention- I was spanked as a child- by my Dad- and it scared the living daylights out of me...I decided sometime in college that I would never spank my children...GLAD to know there are other people just as passionate about it!
Big people hitting children to teach them that hitting other people is wrong...hmmmmmmmm I see NO logic there...
post #34 of 83
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Originally Posted by moon.mom View Post
Hello- I've never explored this part of MDC before...

My name is Moon.mom and I've lived in Texas for most of my life.
(brief stays in Tennessee, Kansas and Washington)

I'm a public school educator. (for 7 years)
I attended public school K - 12 in central/west Texas- small town.

My first year teaching(5th grade)- I had a girl who was so needy. I loved her and worked with her so much... her home life was a wreck... she was pushing/shoving one day- I calmly ask her to move away- and she shouted "Slut!" at me. the Asst. Principal heard her. I was crushed.
We all 3 went to the office. He called her mother. She was up there in like 5 minutes. He gave her 2 "licks" that almost gave ME a heart attack. Then her mother took the board and gave her 2 more. (I'll spare you the details...like how high her feet came off the ground)

I was biting my lip and tears were falling out of my eyes.
They suspended her for 3 days also.

When they left the room- I broke down bawling. The Asst. Principal waited until I could talk. I said I didn't think that was right. He said- "That's the only way to handle kids like that."
I WAS HORRIFIED...
I did not sign my contract to return to that school...for many reasons...but the spankings were a major reason.

At my current school, spanking is only with parent permission and our principal uses it as LAST RESORT...and doesn't even do it by her decision- the parents will request it sometimes.

Something you have to think about- on that CNN map- which states are spanking legal in? the southern ones.

I don't want to get into politics and religion...but compare the southern states to the rest of the country...

Mostly what I'm saying is don't be shocked by this...
Spanking/corporal punishment isn't the only thing that happens in the southern states that doesn't happen everywhere else.
There are seriously people in the south who wish "the south would have won..." (the civil war) still fly the rebel flags... hate crimes for race, religion, gender and homosexuality... I could go on and on.

I live here by choice, I know, but my family is here. older parents and syblings. If it weren't for them- we'd be far above the Mason-Dixon line...

There are pockets of us liberal, wacky, hippie, weirdos....:
(up "north" we would probably be plain and simple people...)

So spanking makes me sad and mad, too.
But just remember, it's been legal for a long time, and not likely to change.
(After all, the bible talks about it...)

(I consider myself a religious person- Unitarian Universalist- and I hope I don't sound condescending towards other religions...or political parties, for that matter...)

Edit: I forgot to mention- I was spanked as a child- by my Dad- and it scared the living daylights out of me...I decided sometime in college that I would never spank my children...GLAD to know there are other people just as passionate about it!
Big people hitting children to teach them that hitting other people is wrong...hmmmmmmmm I see NO logic there...
Your story about the paddle is really sad. That poor kid. I can see losing recess or getting detention over using foul language. But my goodness... Paddleing for that? And then the mother did it, too? Poor kiddo. She probaby had the spirit beat right out of her. Sure, she may not call a teacher a slut again, but at what cost?
post #35 of 83
Not only does it happen but in some states, they don't even require parental consent. All GA law says is that it has to be reasonable, can't be a first line of punishment, must be witnessed, must be documented, and cannot be performed if a DOCTOR has deemed it unacceptable for a child.
post #36 of 83
I didn't know it WAS still allowed. At the schools I went to, a teacher would be fired if they did that.
post #37 of 83
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Originally Posted by 2lilsweetfoxes View Post
My eldest child has been paddled at school. Once. She straightened up after that and the lecture she got at home.
I can't imagine the sheer cajones you have to admit here at *MDC* that you're cool with your kid getting paddled......you must have one NASA-level flame-proof suit.
post #38 of 83
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Originally Posted by 2lilsweetfoxes View Post
In most cases, the parents do have the choice to "opt out", but unfortunately, most parents in those areas do not see any harm in it. Or, the school ignores it. Some schools will refuse to take inter-district transfer students if the parents try to opt out. In fact, some parents are like: you get in trouble at school, you are also in trouble at home. Sometimes, the child has the choice between getting paddled or suspended and chooses the momentary sting of the paddle to being suspended.

My eldest child has been paddled at school. Once. She straightened up after that and the lecture she got at home.
I'm confused. You say it's unfortunate that parents don't see harm in their children getting paddled but then post about your own child getting paddled in a way that suggests you are ok with it.

I thought this was the Gentle Discipline forum...
post #39 of 83
In addition, special education students with mental or physical disabilities were more likely to receive corporal punishment, according to the ACLU and Human Rights Watch.

That whole article was extremely sad and disturbing, but this line was what really got me.
post #40 of 83
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Originally Posted by Herausgeber View Post
[I]

he supports hitting little kids, but not older ones. I've always suspected that the general attitude about this comes from the fact that an older kid is often strong enough to meaningfully fight back -- and even physically overcome their attacker.

(Yes, I consider such "discipline" to be physical assault.)
Actually so do I. Adults misbehave with 50x the effect that kids have. If I walked up to one misbehaving adult and gave them a smack in the rear I'd go to jail! Its funny that adults think kids are so different from us. I remember being spanked as a child by my mother, and thinking that It wasnt fair, and that I'd like to give her a swat. I also remember feeling and KNOWING that my spanking was uncalled for, that my mother wasnt being sensitive to me, and that there had to be another way. I must have been 8 years old.
Children have the same feelings as adults! Though their judgement may or may not be as good, we have to treat them the way that we would like to be treated!!!
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