"Vaccine refusals fuel measles outbreak"

[Inspired007]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080821/...measles_usa_dc

Hmmm...I wonder when they'll begin burning us at the stake.

[jenners26]

So, this brings us back to the question...If vaccines WORK...why does anyone who vaccinates have anything to worry about??

[california_mom]

Am I missing something?

"In the decade before the measles vaccination program began, an estimated 3 to 4 million persons in the United States were infected each year. Of these, 400 to 500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis."

1500 (500 deaths plus 1000 chonic disability) of 3 to 4 million that had measles doesn't seem like alot of people. 0.05%? (Did I do the math right?)

If my baby were one of those 1500, then who cares about statistics. But...

[HeatherRD]

I don't have kids yet. I haven't done a lot of research on vaccinations. So I don't know much. Can someone please refute some of the points this article makes? What about the outbreaks of measles the article talks about? If unvaccinated children are not causing a resurgence of these illnesses, then what is?

Thank you!

[HeatherRD]

Originally Posted by california_mom

1500 (500 deaths plus 1000 chonic disability) of 3 to 4 million that had measles doesn't seem like alot of people. 0.05%? (Did I do the math right?)

You're right. It's not a lot. Kind of like the flu virus. It can be fatal, but most of the time it is not. And some people don't get their kids vaccinated for flu for certain reasons. No one makes a big fuss about that, but with vaccines that have been the standard for years, the expections by society are different. It isn't seen as a choice, but rather, utterly irresponsible if the parent chooses not to vaccinate. Why?

[things1n2]

My DH just sent me this article and I had to come see if there was discussion, lol. What a sensationalistic piece of garbage. What I learned? Nothing. Well, except that the author doesn't think much of homeschoolers either :

50% were unvaxed. Which means the other 50% were vaxed. If the vax is so great against the big, bad, evil, typically-benign childhood disease, how come 50% of those that had it WERE vaxed?

Lets also not discuss that dr's aren't doing us favors, they are in a service profession and make money SERVING their clientelle. When was the last time a hair stylist or auto mechanic or the local butcher was quoted to say they were annoyed with their clients asking questions about stuff they consider to be a no-brainer?? I bet with the latest meat recall, all sorts of grocery stores are getting questions but I haven't seen one article on how obnoxious the customers are, tying them up from helping anyone else. We need a supersized

Ok, had to get that out of my system since my DH sent the article, got me riled up, then went to a meeting *hrmph*

[mountainsun]

Oh, I JUST read that article. It makes homeschoolers seem like "undesirables" or something.

The article forgets to mention that kids in traditional schools have access to exemptions.

Sorry to hear that docs are getting frustrated with parents becoming INFORMED. Geez Infuriating! They should be HAPPY that parents are learning about the health of their children. UGH.

[MissRubyandKen]

Here's the CDC's update on measles between Jan-July 2008. It has more information.

The last serious U.S. outbreak was in 1989-1991, when 55,000 people got measles and 123 died.

.08% (rounded up) died. Was this blamed on people who weren't vaccinating too? 55,000 in 3 years? 123 deaths in three years? What did those 123 die from? Complications? Secondary hospital acquired infections? Medical mismanagement? etc.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by HeatherRD

I don't have kids yet. I haven't done a lot of research on vaccinations. So I don't know much. Can someone please refute some of the points this article makes? What about the outbreaks of measles the article talks about? If unvaccinated children are not causing a resurgence of these illnesses, then what is?

Thank you!

In 2008 alone, 131 cases of measles have been reported, with 15 serious enough to be hospitalized, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.

If you go to the doctor and it looks like you may have the measles, you will be asked, "have you been vaccinated for measles?" If you say yes, the diagnosis of measles will probably get eliminated. If you say no, then the bias automatically shifts to measles. I personally know 5 people who definitely would have been diagnosed with polio back in the day when the March of Dimes was desparately looking for large numbers of cases because they just happened to be funding polio vaccine research. None of those 5 people received that diagnosis. I know several young people who definitely would have been diagnosed with chicken pox if not for the fact they had been vaccinated for it. Diagnosis is very subjective.

"Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illness" the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat said in a statement

So can just about anything else especially if the host has serious weaknesses. We don't ever hear about prior conditions. No one died. Vaccination can create a "severe, life-threatening illness." We don't hear about that aspect in these types of articles, except for:

Some religious groups refuse vaccination but many parents have fears that vaccines are unsafe or may cause conditions such as autism -- fears the CDC says are unfounded

See how they throw in the fears of vaccines being unsafe with may cause autism. Then they say unfounded. It's wordplay. Besides the fact that the doctor of the big vaccines don't cause autism research said the research should NOT be used to state vaccines are not the cause, what are the people whose financial and professional lives depend of vaccines being safe going to find? I mean seriously. The people who get paid to do the research by the pharmaceutical companies making billions off the research are going to find the product dangerous? So they throw in the useless study with all vaccine fears to say they are unfounded. Unfortunately billions have been paid out to vaccine damaged families from a system that tries everything it can to not help damaged children. VAERS says otherwise as well.

Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were unvaccinated because of their or their parents' philosophical or religious beliefs," the CDC said.

What does that say about the other 32? I wonder if it ever happens that records mysteriously can't be found when someone has been vaccinated and then they get a disease?

Measles is a normal childhood developmental stage for the immune system. It primes the pump so to speak. We are told to fear it, just like we are told to fear chicken pox and other normal childhood developmental stages. If a person drinks a fifth of vodka every day for years, and then takes an herb for a week, and then all of a sudden dies from a liver condition, it wouldn't surprise anyone to see the herb vilified.

This article is complete bunk. It is the result of parents waking up to the truth that they have been lied to by the vaccine movement. Millions of children have been damaged by their products. The last stage of change is the threat part. Ignoring and laughing didn't work. We will see more of this parents are bad who don't vaccinate propaganda. They can't win any more with the lies and deception and the "trust us." There will probably be more New Jersey's with threats of jail, armed men and large, salivating dogs. It's actually pretty pathetic.

[prancie]

I was personally shocked by how mean-spirited the article was towards non-vaxers.

I get the niggling feeling that these outbreaks are not caused by non-vaxers. Maybe Im wrong, but I don't think that vax rated are low enough to blame no-vaxers.

[MCKH]

Originally Posted by things1n2

50% were unvaxed. Which means the other 50% were vaxed. If the vax is so great against the big, bad, evil, typically-benign childhood disease, how come 50% of those that had it WERE vaxed?

I have a question about this, because my grandmother was born in 1922 and was a nurse in a hospital from 1940-1949. She said when a family had measles, the house was quarantined much the way it was with scarlet fever or polio. The house had a big sign out front and no one was to go in our out. Then, when the illness had run its course, everything in the house was burned (bedding, rugs, clothing, toys) and all the wallpaper was stripped off the walls, etc. She said measles was scary, people died, etc. She said mumps and rubella were considered "not a big deal" except for pregnant women (for the rubella) but that measles was.

I hear on this board that measles is a no-big-deal childhood illness, but her experience with it as a child and as a nurse says otherwise and I'm just wondering where the truth lies.

[tammyswanson]

I wonder when the CDC is going to dramatically shriek that chicken pox is a 'deadly disease' too. :

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by MCKH

I hear on this board that measles is a no-big-deal childhood illness, but her experience with it as a child and as a nurse says otherwise and I'm just wondering where the truth lies.

Someone else mentioned the fact that a hospital can put a death down as measles, when who knows if the treatment applied wasn't the cause of death. The AMA admits doctors and hospitals kill well over 100,000 people a year. Since the admission is probably much less than the reality, such as reporting vaccine damage, who knows how many people die from "diseases" when in fact it was the treatment.

I had the measles as a child and it was really no different than the chicken pox for me. A few missed days of school and lots of tv.

[Ruthla]

Originally Posted by MCKH

I have a question about this, because my grandmother was born in 1922 and was a nurse in a hospital from 1940-1949. She said when a family had measles, the house was quarantined much the way it was with scarlet fever or polio. The house had a big sign out front and no one was to go in our out. Then, when the illness had run its course, everything in the house was burned (bedding, rugs, clothing, toys) and all the wallpaper was stripped off the walls, etc. She said measles was scary, people died, etc. She said mumps and rubella were considered "not a big deal" except for pregnant women (for the rubella) but that measles was.

I hear on this board that measles is a no-big-deal childhood illness, but her experience with it as a child and as a nurse says otherwise and I'm just wondering where the truth lies.

I wonder if the measles vaccine was in production during the time she was a nurse. Perhaps they made a big deal about the measles, quarantining houses, etc, BECAUSE they wanted to turn measles into a big deal, to help sell the vaccine when it was ready?

[brendaziz]

Originally Posted by tammyswanson

I wonder when the CDC is going to dramatically shriek that chicken pox is a 'deadly disease' too. :

This is exactly what my ped at kaiser told me! Back when I was still unsure if I was just delaying or non-vaxing (i since am solid in my non-vaxing choice) I wanted to get an honest opinion from her. I asked "if I were only going to get the most important vax, which one would you recommend" to which she replied "definitely chicken pox- it's a very serious illness and he could die from it". I never asked her a question about vaxes ever again :

[ramlita]

I came here to post about this very article!

I thought it was hilarious.

Nearly half of the cases were from non vaxers...
Doctors complain they have to explain things to parents...

It's a shame, but then as The Man gets more desperate, the propaganda gets more and more ridiculous and pathetic and... hilarious.

[MCKH]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

I wonder if the measles vaccine was in production during the time she was a nurse. Perhaps they made a big deal about the measles, quarantining houses, etc, BECAUSE they wanted to turn measles into a big deal, to help sell the vaccine when it was ready?

Yeah I asked her that and she said they had no vaccines when she was young, polio being the first one she can remember. She said the measles vaccine wasn't available until the 60s.

[sbgrace]

We're not vaxed.
But in reading the article it says 90% of cases were in children whose parents had declined the vax or who were babies and too young for vax.

So those asking about the 50% unvaxed....a significant portion of those were probably babies too young for the vaccine if I am reading that stat (90% of cases) correctly.

[honeybunch2k8]

Originally Posted by tammyswanson

I wonder when the CDC is going to dramatically shriek that chicken pox is a 'deadly disease' too. :

Even if they haven't already, people are coming to that conclusion.

CHICKEN POX? I just can't get my head around that one.

[LionessMom]

I came here to post this as well. I have vaxed DD up until she was due for her 12 mo. i told the doctor i had read some scary things and didnt want to do it. she said "ok, we can talk about it again and the next appt, we were out of stock on the one DD was supposed to get today anyway".

This article caused an argument between DH and I. I want to stop vaxes and he thinks I am crazy.