"Parents on the run with baby after refusing vaccination"

[innle]

Link to story.

Wow. I'm a bit speechless after reading that.

[jeliphish]

I think it's a little crazy that the supreme court ordered this....
On the flip side, I chose not to vaccinate DD against DD because she wasn't going to be exposed to Hep B, but if I were Hep B positive- I think I would consider getting the vaccination for the baby- after reading the statistics of a child born to a Hep B mother later contracting cronic Hep B.

[innle]

Originally Posted by KylieLove06

if I were Hep B positive- I think I would consider getting the vaccination for the baby- after reading the statistics of a child born to a Hep B mother later contracting cronic Hep B.

Yeah, if I was in that situation, I'd think seriously about it too. I'm just a bit, well, shocked that the Supreme Court would get involved in this :|

[dinahx]

Parents shouldn't have to make this horrible choice! WTH Pharma? Get the Aluminum outta there!

[PenelopeJune]

Hmm...I'm actually really torn on this. I mean, the mother HAS Hep B. And they didn't vax their daughter and have never had her checked for the disease? I don't know how I feel about this one. That seems negligent to me. If they had the daughter tested that would be one thing, at least.

[mlec]

Just b/c they did not have her tested does not mean they have been doing nothing to protect her health. Perhaps they have been using alternative therapies.

[Serenyd]

A 5%- 40% chance of contracting the disease? That's a pretty big gap there! Sounds like they are not very sure of their statistics. I think it should be left up to the parents. It is possible that they can ward off the diseae with herbs and/or vitamins. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

[wunderbubble]

Regardless of the family's medical history...in no way shape or form should anyone be forced to take any medicine.
the state should have NO say in what a family does and what medical choices they make....otherwise you are no longer a free person...and in this case the state owns your child...

i don't care what these people are doin...it's far more dangerous for humans not to have a right to walk away from unwanted medical therapy.... it shouldn't be the state that tells me what to do with my offspring or my body..

I would do the same thing if i didn't agree with the medical treatment.
If the baby were to die from the reaction... they are going to say "oh well it's a coincidence????" But complications and life long injury from vaccination are ok????

why does everyone want to give away thier rights to pharmecutical companies so freely???? this is what i don't understand....what is wrong with everyone that they don't see what's happening??? the medical establishment are grooming people for compliance...non consent compliance ..they want people to grow up with this complaceny so that all they have to do is knock on your door and pick you for a medication program...in a hundred years if bad eithics like this don't stop ...it will probably be a law to be on an injection schedule and be medicated...

everytime i see this i think maybe i shouldn't have another child...i'm terrified i'm gonna wind up with one of these cracker-jack doctors that is going to threaten my exsistence if i don't give him full medical lisence to experiment on my child. CREEPS

[applejuice]

I feel that she should be allowed to treat her daughter for the disease if she has the Hep B, rather than submit to the vaccine. I do not believe the vaccine will "prevent" the Hepatitis B infection retrospectively, that is, I do not think the vaccine prevents an infection that the person already has.

I am sure there are medical and alternative ways to treat Hepatitis B in a baby that are effective. What is the overkill with the vaccine administration?

[amnesiac]

Originally Posted by Serenyd

A 5%- 40% chance of contracting the disease? That's a pretty big gap there! Sounds like they are not very sure of their statistics. I think it should be left up to the parents. It is possible that they can ward off the diseae with herbs and/or vitamins. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

It's a pretty big gap because it varies significantly depending on mom's status. There's something called a hep B e-antigen that indicates when the virus is actively replicating & thus the person is very infectious - if there are lots of little viruses then you're more likely to see transmission than if there were just a few.

ranges from 5-90% in the absence of immunoprophylaxis [2,4-7]. … those with a positive HBeAg test have a transmission rate of 70-90%, whereas those with a negative HBeAg test have a rate of transmission less than 10% [2]. In these mothers with HBeAg, the risk of HBV perinatal transmission is reduced from 70-90% to approximately 5-15% when the infant receives postnatal immunoprophylaxis with both hepatitis B immune globulin (HBIG) and hepatitis B vaccine series [5,6]; the risk is reduced to approximately 20% with regimens that use multiple doses of HBIG only or the vaccine series alone [1,2, 4-6].

http://depts.washington.edu/hepstudy...iscussion.html

Most of the time e-antigen testing isn't done though. And there are some mutant versions of the virus that won't give you an e-antigen positive so you'd have to look at hep B DNA results also which usually isn't done either. Tough call.

It's something to seriously think about - how you'd want to go about handling it since age at the time of infection is inversely related to the likelihood of development of chronic infection & the more serious complications. I generally have patients from 2 viewpoints. One group will say "so what? everyone where I'm from has this." The other group is generally very concerned & follows the health dept protocols very diligently. This past year all the babies I've worked with were given birth vaccine & HBIG so I'm not sure what would have happened if they wanted to decline. Nothing is done if they decline the rest of the doses. I've only had one baby this year that ended up becoming infected. Just so happens she got birth vaccine & HBIG plus remaining vaccine on schedule.

[loveyourohana]

There are too many alternative ways to deal with this for me to be torn. Who is to say that they haven't introduced a Hep B nosode? Who is to say that they haven't studied it out and found alternatives past medical societies idea of what to do?

I don't think they would be running if they were negligent parents? They apparently care very deeply for this child, or they wouldn't be doing anything and everything that they can in order to protect this child! As far as testing for hep B... Could it be they have with a ND, and ND isn't accepted in the MD world... ?

Sorry but I would have to hear the parents side of everything! What has the mother been through? I would have to look into it further

[rockportmama]

Originally Posted by wunderbubble

why does everyone want to give away thier rights to pharmecutical companies so freely???? this is what i don't understand....what is wrong with everyone that they don't see what's happening??? the medical establishment are grooming people for compliance...non consent compliance ..they want people to grow up with this complaceny so that all they have to do is knock on your door and pick you for a medication program...

I think it's referred to as "socialization"

[Sileree]

Wait a minute, their policy is for immunoglobulin to be administered within the first twelve hours. It doesn't say that they have to vaccinate right away, just within the next six months. Also, they only said they must "offer" these things. Is this an offer you can't refuse?!

Its a sucky situation, but this is going too far. I agree with previous posters that the state should have no say in medical decisions.

This doctor is way off in his statistics. Only 5% of "people" (adults) become chronic carriers, and only 25% of these can possibly develop cancer. 1.25% is a lot lower than 30%. :

Unfortunately, though, newborns have a 90+% risk of their case becoming chronic.

I hope his Mom doesn't give it to him and I also hope they don't take him away from his parents.