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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
If Camryn's caregivers didn't pick up on his earlier rib fractures, neither did medical personnel trained to look for signs of child abuse. Camryn had been to Children's Hospital several times during his short life -- including earlier on the day he was fatally injured -- for well-baby checks and immunizations. No doctor or nurse ever noted broken ribs or signs of unusual pain in the infant, family members said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/15/...tml#cnnSTCText

What a tragedy, no matter how it happened.
post #2 of 21
What in the world do vaccines have to do with this sad story?
post #3 of 21
waiflywaif some people believe that some of the symptoms of shaken baby syndrome (principally the bleeding on the brain) could be caused as an adverse reaction to the carrier of certain vaccines.

However in a situation where an ex-alcoholic father ADMITS to squeezing and shaking a baby who subsequently dies with broken ribs and detached retinas as well as catastrophic bleeding on the brain i think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was the vaccine....
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by GoBecGo View Post
However in a situation where an ex-alcoholic father ADMITS to squeezing and shaking a baby who subsequently dies with broken ribs and detached retinas as well as catastrophic bleeding on the brain i think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was the vaccine....
Yeah.
post #5 of 21
That was my point. A bleed on the brain with no other signs, sure---go ahead and look for non-abuse causes. This case had no ambiguity about it, however.
post #6 of 21
Maybe it's easier to believe an erroneous govenment vaccination programme accidentally killed a baby than a supposed-to-be-loving parent picked his own child up in his own two hands and deliberately shook and crushed the life out of him?
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I think many parents have at some point handled their children more roughly than they should, out of anger or frustration. NOT rough enough to cause broken ribs or to cause shaken baby syndrome. But I find it entirely plausible, that this father, in his grief, not knowing any other way the injury could have happened, and having the police interrogate him and forcibly suggest things to him, that he would break down and even believe himself that he caused the injuries.

The baby could have had two unfortunate coincidences--brittle bone disease and a severe vaccine reaction. Many innocent families have had their children taken away due to broken bones, only later to find out the child had brittle bone disease.

The child had been to the doctor many times, and nobody had ever noticed any injuries prior. If the father had been breaking the bones all along, you would think there would be bruises, at least.
post #8 of 21
The thing here is that ...many times when an innocent person is arrested that person ... has few choices....this guy may have been told to plead guilty and confess to a lesser sentence.. out of fear and hopelessness

his confession doesn't mean cr@# to me....

the thing that is troubling is detached retinas...bleeding in the brain, inconsolable crying, and the continuing cycle of COINCIDENCE.

how many well baby visists?? Much of these incidents happens coinciding with the administration of vaccines, the babies usally are disrobed and measured and weighed....No evident signs of abuse recorded EVER? WHen they leave the office....all the troubles explode...crying , vaccine induced encephalitis, screaming, learning behaviors cease, nasty rashes sores...etc etc

Sorry but i DO see a link to VACCINATION...there is a pattern here and it can be seen it often enough....of course if a person is not paying attention....or hasn't been reseaerching any of this ...a person may not notice it.
post #9 of 21
Osteogenesis Imperfecta, severe vax reaction AND a false confession?


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
post #10 of 21
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Osteogenesis Imperfecta, severe vax reaction AND a false confession?


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
If my suspicion is correct, it would not have been a false confession. He knew he handled the baby more roughly than he should have on some occasions. Then the baby is found to have broken ribs and "shaken baby syndrome," and he doesn't understand how violent his handling would actually have had to be to cause those injuries, so he thinks he did it.
post #11 of 21
Sorry, he confessed and then pleaded NOT GUILTY, after his confession. Also it is the FAMILY who said the medical professionals noted no pain or bruising, not the people who actually have his medical notes.

In osteogenesis imperfecta it would be INCREDIBLY unlikely to find only broken ribs and not broken limbs, since most babies have their hands held during play and their ankles held at nappy-changing times. In a baby only a few hours old there could be only broken ribs from first breathing efforts but once the child has been dressed all the other bones would be at risk too. The vast majority of those whith type I OI who present through morbidity do so with repeatedly broken limbs, not ribs.

I can see how the bleeding in the brain could be a possible reaction to something in the system, but by what on EARTH mechanism does a vaccine reaction detatch retinas?
post #12 of 21
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Sorry, he confessed and then pleaded NOT GUILTY, after his confession.
I'm sure that had something to do with his lawyer.
post #13 of 21
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Sorry but i DO see a link to VACCINATION...there is a pattern here and it can be seen it often enough....of course if a person is not paying attention....or hasn't been reseaerching any of this ...a person may not notice it.
Sorry but I don't see it. Of course, if a person has a pet theory and a one-track mind, they may see links where there are none.

It's baffling to me that anyone could think this article has anything to do with vaccination. Honestly, it is.
post #14 of 21
Vaccines do not cause broken ribs.
post #15 of 21
Confessing to doing something, but pleading not guilty to certain charges is not necessarily contradictory.

There is much to question in all this. The child received the vaccines the same day. That is certainly a situation a good lawyer would follow up on. Vaccines can cause horrific damage, including death. It's diffucult to determine from the information provided exactly what damage to the child occurred that day. The brain condition and bleeding are evident, but what of the broken ribs? They mention some were prior to March 12. How many or perhaps all. What can be connected to that day? The bleeding inside the head is obviously the cause of death and all possible causes for the bleeding should be looked at.

Here's a possiblity. The baby is vaccinated that day. A vaccine reaction occurs in the form of a screaming baby suffering from the toxins introduced into his frail body. The father at wits end due to a strained relationship grabs the baby forcefully. The same father quite possibly did so in the past as well to the point of braking a tender rib or perhaps this child had been building toward this moment from the onslaught of toxins. If the child possibly died as a result of the vaccines, then the spectrum of vaccine damage was perhaps being traversed as the toxins accumulated. When the body's resources are being taxed over and over who knows what the tipping point is or what all the bodily reactions could be. What relationship do we see between infantile scurvy and vaccines depleting the body of vitamin C? What is the relationship between infantile scurvy and rib fractures? Unfortuantely the vaccine movement certainly doesn't want to find out. If any of the child's health condition prior to death was related to vaccination, then this isn't so absurd. The father, in total shock from the death of his baby, is confronted by police who are not happy. They take the death of a baby very seriously. The man admits the truth that he has grabbed the baby forcefully in the past (think about it. How many guilty of murder admit to the charge? If anything, by talking and saying what he did, he proves he thought he was not guilty and had nothing to hide). That day as well, especially if the child was reacting to vaccines the way so many do. And if this child was already at a tipping point, then the reaction may have been REAL bad. The man feels guilty because he hasn't been the best dad. All those previous trips to the hospital didn't show any signs of abuse, including bruising. The mom wasn't saying anything to anyone. She obviously was not so concerned that she would not leave her baby alone with the father.

There are a lot of questions with this one. Did the child have bruises all over his body from the supposed violent shaking? What other physical indicators were there?

Everyone deserves a fair trail, even the vaccine industry for all the pain and suffering they have caused, and certainly this father.
post #16 of 21
as a person who has been wrongly accused many times in the past, I am quick to know that doctors will stop at nothing to blame the parent and get themselves off the hook.
post #17 of 21
Does anyone have the mechanism for vaccine reaction detatching retinas? I'm actually wanting to know, not being snarky...
post #18 of 21
I have removed some posts from this thread which are either in violation of our UA/forum guidelines or are responding to such posts & I will be sending PMs later. As we proceed please remember to keep on topic regarding the role of vaccines in SBS. Please be mindful of the fact that our guidelines require us all to post in a manner which is comfortable & respectful of everyone.
post #19 of 21
Here are some links about the connection to retinal hemorrhages.....:

http://www.sbsdefense.com/Retinal_Hemorrhages.htm

http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm
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