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post #21 of 157
9/3/08 at 2:16am
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
yup, amazing stuff, though sadly not during pregnancy or breastfeeding.
what are the reasons one should avoid it during nursing?

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post #22 of 157
9/3/08 at 10:19am
It is caustic and a mucus membrane irritant which can be bad news for baby depending on how mama uses it. Beyond that it can and generally does decrease supply. IT is used clinically by many for suppression when a mother wants to stop breastfeeding or inhibit supply.

It is also HIGHLY important to have a good source. There are oils that are passed off as oregano oil, some of which are toxic. You need WILD oregano oil from a reputable company that contains less than 5% thymol.

Some experts caution that oregano essential oil should never be taken internally, while others suggest that it is safe for internal use provided that it is suitably diluted and its source and contents are verified; it must be extracted from high grade oregano and meet seven strict requirements.
post #23 of 157
9/3/08 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Taedareth View Post
Thank you. I'm interested in doing something for routine parasite cleansing purposes. Of course I couldn't do it while pregnant so now that my baby is 4mo I am wondering if there's something safe and effective. (I've tried the clove/wormwood/black walnut hull method before and don't think it was effective. I used the Hulda Clark recommended doses and got fresh herbs from Mountainroseherbs.com)

So, what brands of DE and MSM do you guys recommend?
Wow, you used the Hulda Clark method; I've read really good things about that and about mountainroseherbs. Why do you think that it didn't work? I know I've heard some people say that parasite cleansing really needs to be done with colon cleansing to be effective. Do you think that was the case with you? That's one of the reasons I was thinking of combining the herbs and the DE, because of the colon-cleansing properties of the DE.

Someone upthread recommended Perma-Guard as a good DE brand, and I've now seen that repeated elsewhere. I ordered that brand from these folks:
http://freshwaterorganics.com/order.htm
They seemed to have the best prices, small amounts, and they also took paypal, which is a plus for us!

I haven't looked into the MSM, so can't recommend anything there...
post #24 of 157
9/3/08 at 11:00am
I have had good luck with Designs for Health and Vital Nutrients MSM. I have used it for years.
post #25 of 157
9/3/08 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
It is caustic and a mucus membrane irritant which can be bad news for baby depending on how mama uses it. Beyond that it can and generally does decrease supply. IT is used clinically by many for suppression when a mother wants to stop breastfeeding or inhibit supply.

It is also HIGHLY important to have a good source. There are oils that are passed off as oregano oil, some of which are toxic. You need WILD oregano oil from a reputable company that contains less than 5% thymol.

Some experts caution that oregano essential oil should never be taken internally, while others suggest that it is safe for internal use provided that it is suitably diluted and its source and contents are verified; it must be extracted from high grade oregano and meet seven strict requirements.
thanks

MIL is ordering some and I was curious about the benefits/precautions.

I do have a parasite cleanse capsule formula from a pretty reputable company-( I think) and am wondering about taking it. I would think that it could be harsh on Gavins system.
It has a lot of the herbs and such that Wu Wei listed as good for parasitic cleanse , in the candida thread.
post #26 of 157
9/3/08 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by mbravebird View Post
Wow, you used the Hulda Clark method; I've read really good things about that and about mountainroseherbs. Why do you think that it didn't work? I know I've heard some people say that parasite cleansing really needs to be done with colon cleansing to be effective. Do you think that was the case with you?
Why do I think it didn't work? Um well... because about 2.5 years ago I passed a large roundworm (I took it to my doctor and she identified it). Since I was pregnant at the time, she recommended an over the counter pinworm medication that she said was effective against roundworms and would not pose any danger to the baby. She said where there's one roundworm there are bound to be thousands. I took the medication but never passed another worm, so I figure they're still alive and well inside me. Then we switched doctors and that one was skeptical that I even had parasites, but I convinced him to order a fecal test done. I don't know if they specifically looked for roundworms, but the only thing they found was some kind of one-cell organisms which my doctor said is no big deal and nothing should be done about. I convinced him to refer me to a colon specialist. But that guy was openly skeptical that I'd ever passed a worm (hello, it was MOVING when I saw it - not a piece of food!) because he said parasites were fantastically rare in developed nations. So he was no help.

I did the Hulda Clark herbal parasite cleanse and never passed a worm. I have tried enemas in the past and hate them. So I don't know what other form of internal cleansing might actually work. That's why I'm curious about the DE, and whether it can be taken while nursing. Also what brand to buy and how much to take, for how long. Anyone know??
post #27 of 157
9/3/08 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by Taedareth View Post
Also what brand to buy and how much to take, for how long. Anyone know??
What I've read is to start with one teaspoon daily, then work up to 1 rounded tablespoon. Supposedly taking it at night before bed or in the morning on an empty stomach is most effective.

Drinking a lot of water while taking it is important, too.

Perma-Guard is the brand that supposed to be the most pure in terms of silica ratio. I linked above to the place I got Perma-Guard.

Wow, that's quite a story you have! Seeing it moving, that must have been quite a sight. Makes me pale a little. It's amazing that the doctor really didn't want to believe it was true.

Will you let us know if the DE has an effect? I'll be checking in with my results, too.
post #28 of 157
9/3/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Taedareth View Post
... for how long.
There's a testimonial from someone who used just DE to cleanse parasites, and I think it took her a few weeks. Here's the link to her story:
http://fossilshellflour.blogspot.com/

Her testimonial is about a third of the way down.
post #29 of 157
9/3/08 at 3:04pm
Argh!! That parasite testamonial is so scary. I mean encouraging (that this stuff kills them) but creepy that you have to see them when they come out. And that there were so many.

Do you think it's safe to give small amounts of DE to a 2.5yo? I have seen him put dirt in his mouth so he might have some parasites too

I emailed a distributor for Perma-Guard in Oregon to ask about prices. What size package did you buy, and how much did it cost?
post #30 of 157
9/3/08 at 4:46pm
So what would be a good protocol for nursing and parasitic cleansing?

I have homozone I recently got from Azure. I take it every now and then but haven't been remembering to lately. I feel really good afterward.
post #31 of 157
9/3/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by mbravebird View Post
MSM is actually a synthetically made supplement, which is the other hesitation I have about it. In the natural world, it occurs only in very small amounts. Here's an article about it:
http://www.bulkmsm.com/research/msm/page33.htm
Lots of people have used it to lots of benefit, though.

Supposedly, they've done studies saying that DE doesn't get into the bloodstream, although some people claim that it does. If it doesn't get into the bloodstream, it would follow that it doesn't get into breastmilk. But I can't find the studies that folks say have shown it doesn't get into the bloodstream...

The people who say it *does* get into the bloodstream think that it does so because of its ability to reduce cholesterol and bad fats, which has been studied. (those studies are here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9533930)

HTH...
So would it be bad for breastmilk then? I want to take some. I would think it may be good in small amounts through the milk for a baby who is crawling and mouthing things and starting solids.
post #32 of 157
9/3/08 at 5:08pm
I'm only one person, but I have taken it through several nursing relationships and give it to my kids.
post #33 of 157
9/3/08 at 6:10pm
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OK, I found something that supports the idea that DE does not make it in its "hard" form into the blood, but is rather easily dissolved by blood:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0707171744.htm
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One ongoing question is why solutions of water containing simple table salt or other electrolyte compounds (as in blood plasma for example) are able to break down noncrystalline silicas at speeds far faster than expected.
So if it does make it to the blood (and therefore breastmilk), it is apparently dissolved and does not remain in its hard form. That's comforting. But apparently there are some studies out there that say that it doesn't even make it into the blood. But Pat's point about those who have "leaky gut" is well taken here -- it would definitely make it to the blood in the case of leaky gut. Even then, it's comforting to have support for the idea that blood is able to dissolve DE.

And silica is supposedly very good for overall health if it does get in the bloodstream; apparently the body puts it to very good use.
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*Improves cell metabolism and stimulates cell formation.
* Inhibits the aging process in tissues.
* Supplements tissue silica that rapidly decreases with age.
* Strengthens weak connective tissue and improves its structure and function.
* Increases the elasticity and firmness of blood vessels, making them less likely to develop atherosclerosis. (When silica rejuvenates connective tissue, artherosclerotic swelling vanishes.)
* Promotes anti-inflammatory, anti-infecting reactions.
* Stimulates the immune system to fight off disease-causing invaders -- bacteria, viruses, and toxins.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._20086185/pg_3

And here are a bunch of PubMed articles studying the varying benefits of silica to bone and tissue:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17435951
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17435952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3743227

And here, I finally found the info that the kefirlady sent me (Oh, the picture of the clean colon in this one just makes me swoon):
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/How-...arth-Works.php

OK, I'm starting to feel more confident about giving it to my son.

Taedareth, I've read that one teaspoon is the recommended dose for kids. I got a one-pound bag for $5 plus another $5 shipping, if I remember correctly. They also have incrementally larger sizes. And they also have good deals on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Firefaery, do you mean that you've taken DE for years, or MSM?
post #34 of 157
9/3/08 at 6:20pm
I have taken MSM.
post #35 of 157
9/3/08 at 6:40pm
Oh, wow! DE kills lice? I'm so happy to hear that because I have knee-length hair and sometimes I worry what would happen if I got head lice. I might look like I'm wearing a powdered wig for a while, but if it killed lice I'd be happy


Those of you who've used MSM or DE for colon cleansing - did you lose pounds after a while? I'm wondering if there's a noticeable difference on the scale after some of that crud gets swept out of your intestines.
post #36 of 157
9/4/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Taedareth View Post
Oh, wow! DE kills lice? I'm so happy to hear that because I have knee-length hair and sometimes I worry what would happen if I got head lice. I might look like I'm wearing a powdered wig for a while, but if it killed lice I'd be happy


Those of you who've used MSM or DE for colon cleansing - did you lose pounds after a while? I'm wondering if there's a noticeable difference on the scale after some of that crud gets swept out of your intestines.
I bet you could. I am gonna try anyway. I figure that with multiple pregnancies so closely spaced, nursing and everything else I could stand to have my colon cleansed a bit.
post #37 of 157
9/4/08 at 5:32pm
Well, DH ordered from distrubutor of food-grade DE in Nebraska. We got 10 lbs, shipped, for $27. If we like this stuff, we'll just get the 50lb bag next time (for $118 shipped) and save some money.

I should probably read more of the articles linked above for more information. But just based on what I've read so far, I think it's interesting that DE has both a cleansing effect and also nutritive, kinda. As in, the silica is supposedly good for hair/nails/bones/teeth.

Also, check this out their testimonials page (interesting to me, given my experience with roundworms above):

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In September 2001, I went to Croatia. I experienced extreme sleepiness during and after my trip. I thought I had contracted a parasite, since I was drinking the water and later found out the water was not that clean. It was the same sleepiness I had experienced on my trip to Russia and I figured I had contracted Giardia, a parasite common in Russia. When I came home I began an aggressive herbal de-worming program, which is the same program I offered my clients. This program consisted of taking cloves, black walnut, wormwood combination and a product balled Rascal. I stayed on this treatment faithfully for three full weeks and even did higher dosages than was recommended in the directions. I figured I was relieved of any critters hanging on to my intestines. Right? WRONG! Two months later I went to a clinic and had live blood cell analysis to determine my condition. I was shocked to discover parasites in the blood. How could this be? I was following a program that was offered by some of the top parasatologists in the country. An angel came into my life recently. She was a client doing my supervised fasting retreat I offer in my residence. Bonnie GAVE me a container of Diatomaceous Earth and said "try it for you and your dogs". What have I got to lose but a few wigglies, right? Hopefully! Guess what? After only 5 days of taking the recommended dose I passed a 5 inch creature determined by lab analysis to be a round worm. Not me! Not beautiful, charming, squeaky clean diet Millan! Yes. I guess they are right when they say 90 to 95 percent of us have parasites and worms. You see, they are usually a-symptomatic, so you could have them for years and never know it!
Earthworks Health
post #38 of 157
9/12/08 at 12:58am
Our DE arrived today. I put 1 Tbsp in a smoothie this afternoon. This morning I woke up with flu-like symptoms so I can't tell if the DE is making me feel better or not doing anything. Will update you guys after I've been taking it for a while.

Oh it's a really fine powder, like cornstarch. I somehow expected it to be rougher or something.
post #39 of 157
9/12/08 at 2:34am
I got ours today- gonna try it in the morning
post #40 of 157
9/12/08 at 1:51pm
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I'm on day 6, I think, and am up to a full Tablespoon a day. I've been taking it at night before I go to bed. I've seen HUGE improvement in my bowel function. Will report back with more details as I continue.
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