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post #1 of 16
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So, I contacted a local private Montessori school (goes up to 6th grade, I believe) to see about enrolling my son for pre-K. They told me that they won't accept children over 4 (DS is 4) because they find the transition too difficult. I find that really really strange. I could understand if they were in 1st grade or had begun public regular school, but for Pre-K four year olds???

Is this the norm in Montessori?
post #2 of 16
In my experience, not usually. The schools I have looked at usually require an interview to let a child start after the primary cycle if they have no M experience. But most of the schools around these parts will let the little ones start M as late as kindy. The other side of that is that many of the schools don't have vacancies at that age because of low attrition rates. Similarly, I could imagine that it is probably more difficult in some communities to start later because of that high supply and low demand.
post #3 of 16
It is the norm here.
post #4 of 16
For AMI & AMS schools in this area it is the norm though they do state at ds's school that children under four may be admitted if the child seems to adapt well and there is a strong commitment from the parents.
post #5 of 16
At our schools(s) it has been the norm (AMI and AMS), although in all 3 schools we've been at over the years, there are special exceptions made for kids who either really really need to be in Montessori, or where a family/kid has been an exceptional fit even at an older age. I think the schools prefer to get most kids in between 2Y6M and early-three, so that a kid can get the benefit of the full 3 or 4 year preprimary cycle and not miss that first year when practical life and sensorial work are so important for developing concentration, will, the senses and discrimination, etc. But our school(s) have also successfully integrated older kids in at all levels when it is a good fit.
post #6 of 16
Pretty sure my school will still take them at 4, but not at 5 (unless they are moving from another M school, similar in style to their own).
post #7 of 16
It's a fairly standard procedure in many schools. It's all up to the school, really.

I think one big reason has to do with the type of parents we tend to get late. They often tend not to be parents committed to Montessori, but are often the parents who send their child for a week then start asking why their child is not doing _____ when all the other children her age are doing _____. If that is the case, writing out your thoughts in a letter of why you want Montessori for your child and asking the school to reconsider might help.

I hope it works out!
Matt
post #8 of 16
I agree with Matt. It wouldn't hurt to send a letter to the head of the school telling them exactly what you like about Montessori, how it fits with your parenting style and how flexible and adaptable your child is...
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Matt and Lingmom, I'll give it a try.
post #10 of 16
This is why i am sending dd this year, even though i REASLLY didnt want to be seperatred from her at 3....but by next year, she would have a hard time getting in.
post #11 of 16
Ooo, this is interesting to me - I had no idea. Looks like we just eaked in, then -- thank goodness!
post #12 of 16
I've definitely experienced this first hand here in San Diego. We were all set to send my son to the AMI school literally down the road (or, I thought we were all set), and my son isn't even 4 yet. I put in an application right when he turned 3 (last November) and we had a tour and everything, paid the (rather high) application fee and were assured that he would be number two on the waitlist for the next fall, and even if anything came up during the year, and that because children always graduate out of the program, there would be space.

In APRIL I got a call from the admissions director saying there would be no space for my son b/c they aren't accepting any more 4yos. I pointed out that he was not (and still is not) a 4yo, that he would still be 3 for over 2 months after the school year began! It seems completely crazy, because he had been too young to start last year. But no, they were not at all interested in my argument. I sent a letter to them and everything, explaining the situation, my interest in Montessori, the great response my son has had to all the practical life things we've implemented at home (he loves care of self, care of environment, very independent kid, very tactile, hands-on learner). However, apparently this school doesn't accept any children with fall birthdays.

It was very disheartening, and I really secretly suspect it is because I asked if they offer financial aid. (Later I remembered that she was extremely weird about that, sort of hemmed and hawed and said that they have it but that I would have to "do a lot of paperwork"). It also put us in a really crappy position because it was awfully late to apply anywhere else. It was so weird, and left such a nasty taste in my mouth.

We ended up enrolling my son at a Waldorf school, where, despite a supposedly long waitlist and our very late application date, they took us. I now suspect that private schools just always say they have a long waitlist so they can do whatever they want with applications!

I expect to move the year my son is turning 6 (when he will still be 5 at the beginning of the school year). If there is a Montessori elementary nearby, we will definitely look into it then, but I have a sinking feeling they will reject him then for his lack of Mont primary experience. (while I love the Waldorf early ed approach and think it seems like a great match for my son, I am so far very ambivalent about their approach to the grades).
post #13 of 16
The public Charter school in my town will start them through Kindergarten. But they start their program with 4-year-old pre-K. I think it's sad that they won't take 4 or 5 year olds in some programs. Many parents are not even aware of their options before their kids are "traditional" school age. My DCP discovered Montessori after her daughter was in Kindergarten and found out after talking to the principal that she would probably not be able to attend the Montessori program in 1st grade because she was too old. But it sounds like the the "traditional" school that is in the same building as the Montessori program is implementing a lot of Montessori philosophy into it's program. Which I find interesting and gives me hope the charter program trys to stay true to the Montessori approach to learning.
post #14 of 16
For the record though, there are montessori elementary schools that are charters of public school districts and they are surely taking kids who are well over 5 without any montessori background at all.
And my girls entered a montessori school at 5.5yrs and 4.5 yrs at a school that I was concerned wouldn't take any kids over 3, so don't despair! If there are openings and you show yourself to be a great family with adaptable kids that would be a good fit for your school, there's probably a good chance for you.
post #15 of 16
This stuff bothers me a lot from a philosophical standpoint. And here comes what is sure to be a long-winded commentary.

On one level, I do understand it...and this is the only level I understand it on. Many parents put their children into a Montessori school for the very reason that they hear it's "better" and they want their 6 year old to be able to add 4 digit numbers, rattle off the names of countries, and read "A Tale of 2 Cities" while discussing the impact the book has on economic, political, and social understanding of our time. OK...I haven't found the last one yet, but I'm willing to bet there is a parent SOMEWHERE in the world that expects that of their child. And until you interview every parent to ask them that question, I'm holding to that assumption.

So I understand it where many parents expect to cram a 3 year curriculum into a 1 year school year. Their child goes to your school and they spend all the time in practical life and the parents start to freak out. The child has a bad experience, the parents have a bad experience, and the school is left to explain what purpose practical life serves to a parent that only wants to see the academic results. (Even with a 6 year old, you have to build a foundation. No matter how big a wall is, it is easy to knock down if you don't build it underground too...the stuff you don't see)

On another level, I really don't understand this. Especially for a 4 year old and not a kindergartner. It is not our job to bring in children who are exactly where they should be at the start of the program. It is our job to help screen people and see if the program might not be suitable for them (A teacher might not be fully capable of helping a student with Downs Syndrome, for example. Or extreme Autism). But it should not be our job to determine that a child cannot enter the program because of age.

If NOTHING else, what Montessori is designed to do is take a child where he or she is and help them to move forward socially, academically, and spiritually (I say that without necessarily including a religious meaning to the word). Our goal is to help the child learn how to make discoveries.

In my opinion, a school that says no to a 4 year old is doing it for one reason- the convenience of the staff. This should be the last person convenienced when there is a challenge. A 4 year old starting is a bigger challenge than a 3 year old starting. There's no question in my mind about that. A 5 year old is even more of a challenge if he starts late. But isn't that our job as Montessori teachers? To take the child and help the child to normalize?

I understand that you won't get the full benefit of a Montessori classroom in 1 or 2 years. Is it our job to make sure students get the full benefits? If a child is sent late, the parents recognize that they might not get every single benefit, but they want what benefits they can get. They want their child to think on his or her own. They want their child to have a love of learning. They want their child to explore. Any Montessori teacher should want that for ANY child.

Now, it may be that a school is so well run that they have few, if any, people leaving and they stay the full 3 years. As a result, they don't really have many open slots for a 4 year old because no 4 year olds left and the new 3's are coming in. That's a different story than a simple blanket policy on not accepting a certain age group.

But to me, in the early years at least (elementary -- I have a slightly different opinion on), to say "we cannot accept ____ age group" is completely contrary to the Montessori method.

Just my 2 cents. Of course, I wouldn't type all this in your letter. You don't want to say, "I don't think your policy is very Montessori." That will get you nowhere. :-P
post #16 of 16
But, there is the idea that the five and six years olds, for example, are modeling to the younger kids. So them being experienced Montessori students is to the benefit of the classroom.

I'm not defending the policies like that, though. I totally *get* the other side and as a parent don't want to be forced to enroll my kids in school at three if they aren't ready.
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