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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
hi!
(nak)
i was lurking and saw threads about eczema, so i thought i should share my story with you ;-)
(ok, i'm not a native speaker, be understanding;-)

after reading the following paper, i decided to go an alternative path in the treatment of eczema. to make a long story short, i gave my dd (who was 10 month by the time) acidophilus and bifidus, borage oil (you can't find flaxseed oil in france) and plenty of food, rich in vitamin B . within a few weeks it was all gone and never came back. i have learned a lot about probiotics and microflora and oils and allergies... and i think it's really important to understand, so i pass the info on...here it goes:

CAN PROBIOTIC THERAPY PREVENT ATOPIC DISEASE?
TURKU, FINLAND— Exposing infants very early in life to beneficial bacteria of the healthy gut microflora may prevent subsequent atopic disease, research is demonstrating. This type of prophylaxis—probiotic therapy—halved the incidence of atopic eczema among high-risk infants in a recent Finnish trial.[1]

The trial results apply mostly to developed nations, where atopic disease has risen sharply in recent years. Among the explanations for this increase is the hygiene hypothesis, which proposes that the rise in atopy stems primarily from reduced microbial exposure and infection due to better hygiene and reduced family size.[2] But the Finnish findings challenge this hypothesis.

“Our study … [demonstrates] that the gut microflora might be more important than infections in preventing atopic disease,” explained Erika Isolauri, MD, a principal investigator and Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Turku in Finland, in an interview with RESPIRATORY REVIEWS.

PROBIOTIC ADMINISTRATION

The randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial included 159 pregnant women who had a mother, a father, and/or an older sibling with atopic eczema, allergic rhinitis, or asthma. Therefore, the women’s unborn infants were at high risk for atopic disease.

Each day for two to four weeks before their expected delivery date, half the women took two capsules of 1 X 10[10] colony-forming units of Lactobacillus rhamnosus; the other half received placebo capsules. L rhamnosus was selected for probiotic therapy because of its proven safety in infants and its effectiveness in treating allergic inflammation and food allergy.

The women continued their infants’ probiotic therapy or placebo for six months after delivery, by either taking the capsules themselves and passing the probiotics onto their infants through close contact or mixing the contents with water and spoon-feeding it to their infants. (Probiotics influence breast milk composition beneficially by enhancing immune protection.) Recurrent atopic eczema was the primary end point because it is the main sign of atopic disease early in life. The infants were assessed for atopic eczema, allergic rhinitis, and asthma at birth and ages 3, 6, 12, 18, and 24 months.


A REDUCTION IN ATOPIC ECZEMA

Of the 132 infants who completed the trial, 46 (35%) had evidence of atopic eczema by age 24 months. Atopic eczema was accompanied by asthma in six infants and by allergic rhinitis in one. The rate of atopic eczema was only 23% in the probiotic group versus 46% in the placebo group. The administration mode did not influence probiotic therapy’s efficacy: Atopic eczema developed in 25% of infants who were spoon-fed L rhamnosus and in 21% who got it from breast milk—a nonsignificant difference.

“These figures are remarkable, and if confirmed in other studies and applicable to other allergic diseases, probiotics would represent an important therapeutic advance,” wrote Simon H. Murch, PhD, FRCP, in an editorial.[3] Dr. Murch is with the Centre for Paediatric Gastroenterology at the Royal Free and University College School of Medicine in London.

abstract :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

if you read german, this website is very comprehensive:
http://www.neurodermitis.ch/Therapie...stherapie.html

if you read french, this one is a must !http://www.kousmine.com/prod04.htm


take care
natha
post #2 of 18
Hi,

My dd whom is 9 mths has very bad eczema on her cheeks. I would appreciate it if you could tell me how you went about using the acidophilus, bifidus and borage oil/flaxseed oil. Where did you get them in what form, powder or otherwise. What amounts did you use.

I would be very happy to get these things and start using them right away on my poor dd's face.

I anxiously await your reply.

Fay
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
hi fay!
i gave her probiotics in powder form: 1 teaspoon/day (+- 10 000 000 000 good bacterias (half the amount in the study i mentionned) mixed in the bottle or the food, or small quantities directy in the mouth... she likes the texture of it when it gets wet
as for the borage oil: 1 teaspoon/day in the mouth, we had kind of a ritual or mixed in the food.
the first days, she had lots of BM, the gut microflora was clearly changing
but then, within a few weeks, everything was ok.
for more information, see the other threads on probiotics or pm me
take care
natha
post #4 of 18
Would it be of any benefit for the nursing mother of an infant with eczema to take an acidophilus/probiotic supplement? I got a bottle of capsules at a health food store today. My son doesn't eat food yet so I don't really feel okay with giving him something like that by mouth yet.
post #5 of 18
Hi,

First of all thanks for replying to my questions. I am a breastfeeding mama too and had started on the probiotic treatment and flaxseed oil. I haven't given any to my dd as yet.

But I have seen remarkable results in just 4 days. Her face is almost back to normal (there is a few spots still red, but definately no oozing or weeping and scratching). So now my next question is should I still give her the acidolophus/flaxseed oil or should I just continue to take it and she would get it through the breastmilk?

Thanks again
Fay
post #6 of 18
hi fay,

my son too had VERY bad eczema.. weeping ect. I applied the boraige/flax directly on the skin and applied the acidophilus SP" on my nipple before he would nurse. now as a 2 yr old he only has bouts when fighting a cold. and hopfully he will not get athsma.. pray.. We both cut all dairy out of our diets "i was still nursing him" and my homeopath had me on a pill thathelped me digest my food better I dont have the name but I can get it if u like. now at 2 he eats lots of cheese "organic ONLY" milk I switched his food when he was an infant to earths best baby food and avoided all wheat gluten earths best has a large selection. I think that having an all organic diet has help him ALOT so now when he has a outbreak sometimes i rub flax on his cheecks and somtimes i dont.. it goes away by itself either way.

its a pesty problem i know this first hand, my son got it because he was on 4 antibiotiucs b4 he was 6 mos old
wish i would had known then what i know now .

good luck to you.. also i bathed him only every 4 days with chamomile tea used all natural laundry soap too.
still he bathes every 3 days or so.. now he's big into the kitchen sink!
post #7 of 18
Hi,

Thanks for all the suggestions, ideas. I will try applying the flaxseed oil directly on the eczema. I try to bathe my dd at 2-3 times a week but since the eczema is mostly on her face this I have no choice but to wipe/wash a few times per day after eating, etc. Right now both my dd and I have a cold so this may also be the reason why the eczema is still showing up a bit.

Again thanks,
God Bless
Fay
post #8 of 18
no prob but might i add dont put it on her skin if its like open bloody ya know? you be the judge

hugs
post #9 of 18
I used to take flax seed oil twice a day when my dd had excema. She didn't have it too bad-small patches in a few places but that cleared it up right away. Ive read some foods can cause outbreaks as well. I know dairy, wheat and citrus are a few. My daughter hasn't shown any signs of excema in over a year and I no longer take flax seed oil. Good luck.
post #10 of 18
Hi Dreamingofthesea,


Can you tell me how much of the Flaxseed oil you took each time.


Thanks so much
Fay
post #11 of 18
i'm reading a book called "allergies: disease in disguise" right now by dr. carolee bateson-koch & i came on to see if anyone else was reading it - anyone?

her approach is similar to what you're all talking about. to sum it up, she recommends:

1. cut out the most common foods associated w/ exzema (and anything that contains these foods). so no dairy, sugar, peanuts, pork, wheat, eggs, yeast & anything else you suspect may be contributing to the breakouts (with my son soy is a big cause)
2. give probiotics. ~ 1 tsp/day for at least 3 months mixed with water, fruit purees or a little juice, or breastmilk of course
3. supplement with nutritional plant enzymes with each snack and meal. should contain at least protease, amylase, lipase, and cellulase. capsules can be opened & sprinkled on the first bite of food or look for kids formulas
4. give grapefruit seed extract, a few drops a day according to dosage, mixed with maple syrup or natural fruit syrup. or in capsules if your child is old enough
5. supplement with a flax seed/evening primrose oil blend that has a balanced mix of omega 3's and 6's. 1-2 tsps a day. also apply topically. avoid bad oils. and supplementing with vit. A and zinc also help.
6. apply calendula cream or gel that contains tea tree oil to the eczematous lesions 1-3 times a day


i'm just starting all this. i've cut out all dairy and soy (oy! they're in all the small print ingredients!) for both my son and i (he still bfs) and am eating more flax and hemp oil. HUGE difference already, his skin (for the first time in his 2 years) feels like soft newborn skin. YAY!!!

good luck to all of us with allergic babies
post #12 of 18
I've just read that book too.
It was interesting.
My son followed it, except he wouldn't take the Grapefruit Seed Extract (it's horrible), he only stayed on it for about a week & then refused to take any of it.
post #13 of 18
it IS awful. i've been playing around with it and a few drops in orange (or other citrus) juice is not too bad. i haven't tried this with my son though, he's not a reliable eater at the best of times.
post #14 of 18
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Originally posted by twinkletoes
it IS awful. i've been playing around with it and a few drops in orange (or other citrus) juice is not too bad. i haven't tried this with my son though, he's not a reliable eater at the best of times.
Put it in yogurt! It's much easier to take that way.
post #15 of 18
Monkey,
Do you just brew a cup or so of chamomile tea from a tea bad and dump it into the bath or do you put some of the loose tea in the tub? Thank you!

My dd Daria has bad milk protein allergy related eczema, she is also allergic to soy we think and possibly citrus we are cutting it out right now because we weren't sure if the eczema flare up was soy or citrus related. The soy gave her diarreah also. Oh fun fun! She is also agrevated by lavendar soap and lotion.
post #16 of 18
my lady I see gave me two different types of tea. 1 was chamomel sp? and the other was rumianek they were both polish high strength teas and what i would do was boil 3 bags of one in a kettle and then bath my son in the kitchen sink. this way i wasnt useing alot of water and it would be strong.
i have a book called superimmunity for kids by leo galland its pretty good i dont agree with everything but it had ALOT of good info.

the product i use on my two boys is aubry organics and waleda i use the baby lotion aurby not often and shampoo arbuy and waleda clendula soap now.

i still bath em in the sink..

i have never givin soy him and citris has in the past bothered him.
oh i hope it clears up for her.
i also use no frangrenec laundry soap very boring around here LOL
i have read that if u cut out dairy and what ever eles it the culprit in time u can re introduce it back into there diet. it has worked for me. my son can eat dairy now with no prob and only break out when he is battleing a cold. weird?

well good luck and feel free to ask more!
post #17 of 18
Monkey, thank you!

We did cut our dairy for her for about a year and she really did get much better. We tried to intro it back slowly this week and she is back to itching like crazy and has scraped her skin raw in a few spots . I pulled the dairy back out of her diet but I know it takes a few days to clear her system. We have been using lotion etc but she still scratches. I hate to give benedryl but I might to keep her from cutting up her skin with her nails!

So we are going to try out rice milk now hopefully this works :LOL.
post #18 of 18

Well Natha...

....it looks like Bifidobacterium is important as well as the L. rhamnosus:
The "Conclusions" section has the most pertinent info.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/taubman/res...ngDonaldYM.pdf


I wish I'd taken the time to check out your thread when you posted in "The Power of Probiotics" thread.

Interesting how powerful that little L. rhamnosus is:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract


Of course, before this modern age of diets full of antibiotic-pumped meats, a healthy vaginal flora would have contained the rhamnosus and bifidorum that the infant would then pick up on the way through the vagina during birth. Colonization of the baby's GI tract would not have been a problem.





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